Would you buy another one?
#41
Of course you will get more failures as the cars age. As long as they're over 100K you can't call them unreliable. We've only had a few on here fail before that. You 2nd gens had a ton. Ours ARE more reliable period.
There are many, many TLs over 100K now. There are just a couple threads on trans failures and most are over 100K. The numer of failures is definately no higher than any other manufacturer. Instead of always putting them down, maybe you should start accepting the fact that some of the issues have been fixed. These are not 2nd gen cars, they're 3rd gens. Now if Honda would just start using a good fluid they would be great.
There are many, many TLs over 100K now. There are just a couple threads on trans failures and most are over 100K. The numer of failures is definately no higher than any other manufacturer. Instead of always putting them down, maybe you should start accepting the fact that some of the issues have been fixed. These are not 2nd gen cars, they're 3rd gens. Now if Honda would just start using a good fluid they would be great.
Is there even one peson with a 2nd gen TL that has made it 500K on the original 5at? is there a 3rd gen? has anyone made it 300K how about 250K?
you are LUCKY if these cars last 100K on a 5at trans you might as welll put yourself in the hall of fame if you make it 200K cause that is a rarity in of it's self.
Honda/Acura need to go back and look at what made their cars great to begin with and return to that idea.....
I don't see people with Lexus having this kind of issue with thier transmissions and they even hook them up to V8s (gasp!)
your thinking is exacty why the american cars sucked ass for so long (hey it's no worse any any of our competitors lol).
how do you explain the accord guys with weak F23s eating transmissionsin cars barely tipping 3Klbs on the scale?
yeah lets praise acura for their high quality TL where we know that:
1. the 5at is totally screwed
2. your dash may crack
3. your compliance bushings are done by 50K
4. your 6mt might need new third gear syncros beuase the factory ones are made of of some form of brass that wears faster than plasic...
5. your leather driver's seat will wear out before your car even gets out of warranty
Those are 5 major areas on the car that should have never happened in the first place....
and lets not forget that due to the trans getting clogged up with material you have to replace the pressure switches lol
#42
Team Owner
Given honda's stellar relability of their previous gen cars (prior to '98) I am going to tell you that there is no way I would call these things even close to being near the reliability of their previous cars.
Is there even one peson with a 2nd gen TL that has made it 500K on the original 5at? is there a 3rd gen? has anyone made it 300K how about 250K?
Is there even one peson with a 2nd gen TL that has made it 500K on the original 5at? is there a 3rd gen? has anyone made it 300K how about 250K?
To add to that, the 5at turbo TL is holding up just fine with the racing fluid and nearly 400lbs of torque. Those are healthy V8 numbers there.
yeah lets praise acura for their high quality TL where we know that:
1. the 5at is totally screwed
2. your dash may crack
3. your compliance bushings are done by 50K
4. your 6mt might need new third gear syncros beuase the factory ones are made of of some form of brass that wears faster than plasic...
5. your leather driver's seat will wear out before your car even gets out of warranty
Those are 5 major areas on the car that should have never happened in the first place....
1. the 5at is totally screwed
2. your dash may crack
3. your compliance bushings are done by 50K
4. your 6mt might need new third gear syncros beuase the factory ones are made of of some form of brass that wears faster than plasic...
5. your leather driver's seat will wear out before your car even gets out of warranty
Those are 5 major areas on the car that should have never happened in the first place....
2. Agreed, it sucks that some of them are cracking.
3. Agreed on the compliance bushings too. Mine were cracked by 15,000 miles.
4. True, but a change to GM fluid seems to completely cure it for life. Another case of Acura using a inferior fluid?
5. The seats are the only thing in my interior that show the mileage. I really wish they would've held up better.
But again you need to look around. My friend just paid $14,000 for his CL65 Mercedes to get new balljoints and control arms. Apparently this is considered normal maintenence for these cars around 60,000 miles. You're not going to get perfection.
I found this interesting in your reference to the autos being reliable up to '98.....I just did a search and guess when the electronics were introduced and when it went from hydraulic controls and on/off solenoids to linear solenoids to soften shifts..... This article is from '99.
AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSIN DESIGN
Like all Honda-designed automatic transmissions, this latest Prelude automatic is a constant-mesh type, with three parallel shafts: input, intermediate and output. Shifting is electronically controlled and hydraulically actuated. Shift management is controlled by a new 16-bit microprocessor. The new microprocessor's greater capacity is used to control two new linear-shift solenoids, that in turn controls hydraulic pressure to the gear clutch packs. The older transmission used a combination of several non-linear (on/off) solenoids, springs and accumulators to control this function. Since the new control is linear, clutch engagement is more progressive. The result is smoother shifting and power transmission over a greater variety of power and gear settings. This is especially noticeable on full-throttle upshifts.
A newly added centrifugal hydraulic cancellation mechanism improves shift control by minimizing centrifugal hydraulic pressure in the clutch packs. As a result, shifts are smoother, with less shift shock.
The new, more powerful electronic control unit also receives throttle-position data electronically, making it possible to eliminate the throttle-cable-actuated hydraulic control used on previous Prelude transmissions. Eliminating the cable helps lighten throttle-pedal spring pressure, which helps minimize driver foot and leg fatigue. In addition, the elimination of the throttle/transmission cable allows for a shorter pedal stroke with better feel. In addition to shifting more smoothly, the new transmission also shifts 10% faster than its predecessor.
Proof once again that Honda's change toward soft shifts ruined relibility. Electronics coupled with crappy FM loaded fluid killed the reliability.
#44
Middle Finger anyone?
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I would upgrage and get a KBP Type-s automatic. It still has paddle shifters for the fun times. Having a 6spd now is fun, but driving in the stop and go traffic isn't fun. I'm getting old so that's why I would want an auto. Also, the upgrade from the 3.2 to the 3.5 would be delightful.
BTW I saw a KBP Type-S at the dealer this morning.
BTW I saw a KBP Type-S at the dealer this morning.
#46
Our 05 has 71K miles on it. The only problems we've had with it are 1 wheel bearing at 1200 miles (supplier defect), 2 batteries, and 1 battery cable (severly corroded, and brittle). Not too bad, everything was covered under warranty except for the battery cable. I still love the way this car drives.
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Love my 04. Only problem in 2 plus years was a bad fuel pump (freak thing if you ask my opinion, $600 whoops) and had to have that replaced at around 48k miles. Wouldn't trade my TL for anything but probably a manual transmission TL.
#50
'06 TL 5AT NAV Anthracite
I purchased my '06 new in Sept 2006. Nearly 4 years and 64K miles later, the love affair is going stronger than ever. Like others, I still look back at my 3G after parking it. After a wash and wax I often will stay outside for a bit and admire the car. I'd definitely buy this awesome car again.
Outside of regular maintenance, I've replaced the OEM battery, new set of tires at 52K and front brake pads at 61K. The only trouble had with the car was a most troublesome passenger front seat. I suspect it was an easy fix from the getgo, but the dealer was likely not taking it seriously.
Outside of regular maintenance, I've replaced the OEM battery, new set of tires at 52K and front brake pads at 61K. The only trouble had with the car was a most troublesome passenger front seat. I suspect it was an easy fix from the getgo, but the dealer was likely not taking it seriously.
#51
Safety Car
Toyota actually has issues with their 5speed autos. We had two 07 Camry's that blew their transmissions in 1500 miles each. The first car was replaced with another car by Toyota, and the 2nd one was purchased back. It included the ES350 with those issues. They had a huge failure rate from 07-08 time frame.
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