who should win TL or G35?
05-17-2010, 07:04 PM
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who should win TL or G35?
who should win this race???
04 TL 5AT, aem v2 cold air intake, rv6 v2 pre-cat deletes, xlr8 j-pipe, rv6 test pipe. my best time is 14.81
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03 G35 5AT 4dr sedan , intake, plenum spacer, full exhaust
i know the driver makes a big difference, but which car should win. we're going to race this friday (weather permitting) and i think it's going to be close.
04 TL 5AT, aem v2 cold air intake, rv6 v2 pre-cat deletes, xlr8 j-pipe, rv6 test pipe. my best time is 14.81
or
03 G35 5AT 4dr sedan , intake, plenum spacer, full exhaust
i know the driver makes a big difference, but which car should win. we're going to race this friday (weather permitting) and i think it's going to be close.
05-17-2010, 09:48 PM
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I think the G35 will edge you, plenum spacers / exhaust mods on VQs mean awesome gains.
Other than that, I think it would be pretty close.
Other than that, I think it would be pretty close.
05-17-2010, 11:08 PM
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G35 should beat you. but itll be close, from a roll you might take him, from a dig, i'd give the edge t the G35, VQ makes more torque earlier.
Im suprised you ran 14.81 when I have a 02 TL-S with just intake and different muffler and ran 14.7x
Im suprised you ran 14.81 when I have a 02 TL-S with just intake and different muffler and ran 14.7x
05-18-2010, 12:57 AM
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^ Track conditions / weather makes a HUGE difference.
Clew55, what was your trap / ET speeds?
Clew55, what was your trap / ET speeds?
05-18-2010, 09:01 AM
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G35 always wins...you should know this.
Jp
When you say full exhaust, what do you mean? If he only has a catback as far as exhaust mods, it should be pretty close. However, if he has test pipes, Ypipe, and catback then you have no shot
Their 5AT is much better suited for their powerband. Once the TL 5AT hits 4th gear the RPMs drop out of the poweband.
Mod for mod and driver for driver, the G35 should win 99% of the time.
Jp
When you say full exhaust, what do you mean? If he only has a catback as far as exhaust mods, it should be pretty close. However, if he has test pipes, Ypipe, and catback then you have no shot
Their 5AT is much better suited for their powerband. Once the TL 5AT hits 4th gear the RPMs drop out of the poweband.
Mod for mod and driver for driver, the G35 should win 99% of the time.
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05-18-2010, 09:44 AM
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who should win this race???
04 TL 5AT, aem v2 cold air intake, rv6 v2 pre-cat deletes, xlr8 j-pipe, rv6 test pipe. my best time is 14.81
or
03 G35 5AT 4dr sedan , intake, plenum spacer, full exhaust
i know the driver makes a big difference, but which car should win. we're going to race this friday (weather permitting) and i think it's going to be close.
04 TL 5AT, aem v2 cold air intake, rv6 v2 pre-cat deletes, xlr8 j-pipe, rv6 test pipe. my best time is 14.81
or
03 G35 5AT 4dr sedan , intake, plenum spacer, full exhaust
i know the driver makes a big difference, but which car should win. we're going to race this friday (weather permitting) and i think it's going to be close.
05-18-2010, 10:30 AM
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Honestly, G35 5AT vs TL 5AT or 6MT vs 6MT, the G35 should win every time. If drivers are equal, the G35 WILL win every time. Stock-for-stock or mod-for-mod same deal.
Only time we really have a shot is if we out drive them.
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05-18-2010, 10:55 AM
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I think the 6MT G35 and 6MT TL are more equally matched than the 5ATs ..
05-18-2010, 11:39 AM
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However, given equal drivers, the G35 should win every time. Albeit a bold statement, it should hold true more often than not.
05-18-2010, 12:55 PM
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A 03 G sedan 5AT with those mods should run lower 14s. The catback, depending on make, is good for 7 to 12 whp/wtq, the spacer is ~8whp/wtq, and the intake is 0 to 2 whp (if it's hot out or heat soaked, then make that -10whp/wtq). My 03 5at sedan went 14.3@97.8mph basically stock (Z-tube, 0hp) in sea conditions and 14.3@99.8 with a plenum spacer in 1,100' air. My money would be on the G35, but there are lots of crappy G drivers out there. Lots.
05-18-2010, 01:25 PM
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It will be an interesting race. The G35 should have the slight advantage. You have quite the extensive mod list though for the TL. Race from a roll and you should do better. What is the elevation of your track and what was the conditions on that day? We can do a 1/4 mile correction to see what you would run in perfect conditions to see how you can compete with a G35 like dave b's with his 14.3@99.8.
I have had no problem taking out stock G35 Sedan and Coupe Autos pre- 05. But stock and modded are two different things.
I have had no problem taking out stock G35 Sedan and Coupe Autos pre- 05. But stock and modded are two different things.
05-18-2010, 01:29 PM
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05-18-2010, 02:01 PM
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Agreed, G35 this one. My wifes G is strong in every gear and off the line, the 5spd auto in the G is just better geared than the TL's and like you said once the TL gets in 4th gear its a dog. Auto to Auto advantage G, manual to manual close but G will pull as you reach triple digits.
05-18-2010, 02:03 PM
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i know that my launch is the problem. i tried the method's that Dave_B posted in his tips thread and its just not working out too well for me. i guess i just gotta keep tryin' til i figure it out eventually.
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It will be an interesting race. The G35 should have the slight advantage. You have quite the extensive mod list though for the TL. Race from a roll and you should do better. What is the elevation of your track and what was the conditions on that day? We can do a 1/4 mile correction to see what you would run in perfect conditions to see how you can compete with a G35 like dave b's with his 14.3@99.8.
I have had no problem taking out stock G35 Sedan and Coupe Autos pre- 05. But stock and modded are two different things.
I have had no problem taking out stock G35 Sedan and Coupe Autos pre- 05. But stock and modded are two different things.
05-18-2010, 02:08 PM
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A 03 G sedan 5AT with those mods should run lower 14s. The catback, depending on make, is good for 7 to 12 whp/wtq, the spacer is ~8whp/wtq, and the intake is 0 to 2 whp (if it's hot out or heat soaked, then make that -10whp/wtq). My 03 5at sedan went 14.3@97.8mph basically stock (Z-tube, 0hp) in sea conditions and 14.3@99.8 with a plenum spacer in 1,100' air. My money would be on the G35, but there are lots of crappy G drivers out there. Lots.
05-18-2010, 02:21 PM
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My mods are Injen CAI, Magnaflow Cat-back exhaust and Stock Diameter UR Crank Pulley. I will say it is all in the driver though. I know my car well as far as getting the best times out of it from my track exp. however most G drivers that I would run into could probobly use some training. The outcome could be different either with a better G driver or at the track. Just on the street against the few that I have raced I haven't had a problem beating them. Now as far as a stock AV6 Auto it is a low 15 second vehicle on average. I have seen a couple 14.9s and 1 14.8 but that is rare. Modded these engines really open up.
05-18-2010, 02:27 PM
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My mods are Injen CAI, Magnaflow Cat-back exhaust and Stock Diameter UR Crank Pulley. I will say it is all in the driver though. I know my car well as far as getting the best times out of it from my track exp. however most G drivers that I would run into could probobly use some training. The outcome could be different either with a better G driver or at the track. Just on the street against the few that I have raced I haven't had a problem beating them. Now as far as a stock AV6 Auto it is a low 15 second vehicle on average. I have seen a couple 14.9s and 1 14.8 but that is rare. Modded these engines really open up.
05-18-2010, 02:30 PM
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My mods are Injen CAI, Magnaflow Cat-back exhaust and Stock Diameter UR Crank Pulley. I will say it is all in the driver though. I know my car well as far as getting the best times out of it from my track exp. however most G drivers that I would run into could probobly use some training. The outcome could be different either with a better G driver or at the track. Just on the street against the few that I have raced I haven't had a problem beating them. Now as far as a stock AV6 Auto it is a low 15 second vehicle on average. I have seen a couple 14.9s and 1 14.8 but that is rare. Modded these engines really open up.
05-18-2010, 03:01 PM
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But seriously I beat him by a solid 2-3 cars and still pulling. Clearly driver error but he didn't sound like a bad driver when he made a R turn and hammered it and went a lil sideways in 2nd.
05-18-2010, 03:13 PM
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i've tried several different ways. i did the flash stall and brake stall that dave b wrote up. i also just revved it to 2k while foot on brake until the light turned yellow. and i also tried the way u just described. are your wheels spinning at all when u take off or not, mine aren't.
05-18-2010, 04:06 PM
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i've tried several different ways. i did the flash stall and brake stall that dave b wrote up. i also just revved it to 2k while foot on brake until the light turned yellow. and i also tried the way u just described. are your wheels spinning at all when u take off or not, mine aren't.
Try starting in D1, then shifting to 2, then putting it in D3 (I think it's laid out like this but I'm not sure). You will be able to rev slightly higher I believe than just keeping it in D and will therefore yield better results.
05-18-2010, 04:34 PM
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Clew55, there's no reason why you shouldn't spin the tires ...
Did you turn off VSA?
Did you turn off VSA?
05-18-2010, 05:10 PM
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i've tried several different ways. i did the flash stall and brake stall that dave b wrote up. i also just revved it to 2k while foot on brake until the light turned yellow. and i also tried the way u just described. are your wheels spinning at all when u take off or not, mine aren't.
Another thing to try is line your tires up off of the contact patches. You will see the darker tread marks where everyone launches. If you line up to the left or to the right of those contact patches you might get a little bit of spin. There is a lot of rubber build up on the contact patches which increases your grip off the line. It can be good to get a little bit of spin. My fastest times are when I line up parallel to the contact patches.
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Mine do spin. I turn off my TCS. Do you turn off your VSA?
Another thing to try is line your tires up off of the contact patches. You will see the darker tread marks where everyone launches. If you line up to the left or to the right of those contact patches you might get a little bit of spin. There is a lot of rubber build up on the contact patches which increases your grip off the line. It can be good to get a little bit of spin. My fastest times are when I line up parallel to the contact patches.
Another thing to try is line your tires up off of the contact patches. You will see the darker tread marks where everyone launches. If you line up to the left or to the right of those contact patches you might get a little bit of spin. There is a lot of rubber build up on the contact patches which increases your grip off the line. It can be good to get a little bit of spin. My fastest times are when I line up parallel to the contact patches.
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It will be an interesting race. The G35 should have the slight advantage. You have quite the extensive mod list though for the TL. Race from a roll and you should do better. What is the elevation of your track and what was the conditions on that day? We can do a 1/4 mile correction to see what you would run in perfect conditions to see how you can compete with a G35 like dave b's with his 14.3@99.8.
I have had no problem taking out stock G35 Sedan and Coupe Autos pre- 05. But stock and modded are two different things.
I have had no problem taking out stock G35 Sedan and Coupe Autos pre- 05. But stock and modded are two different things.
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