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Old 08-28-2008, 02:04 PM
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What's our 0-60?

Where can we find information about 2006 non-type-S 0-60 information?

I was wondering which one is faster, my car, or an idiot who drives 328i who cut me this morning, and was mad when I cut back.

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Old 08-28-2008, 02:08 PM
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auto or manual?
you're faster than a 328i...our cars are more comparable to the 330's; but from personal experience, we're a bit quicker than even the 330's - 6 MT is a different story for us autos however. bmw drivers: arrogant
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Is this a joke thread?

328i is 230hp by the old standard, so about 202 by the new SAE standards,

vs a TL-S w/ 286hp.. HA! You can do circles around him.
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he he he...it's not a joke...

but my car is auto, and non type S..

it has 258 HP, but weigh more than the 328i...

so, what's the number? is it like 5.9 seconds?

also, what does it mean old standard? (sorry)
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auto is about 6.2-6.3
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Briefly,

An Example:
2004-2006 Base TL were rated at 270hp under the old SAE measuring standard. For 2007-08 the base went to down to 258hp according to the new and improved standards....

Nissan and BMW are the only car manufacturers that are still using the old standards. So it’s minus 12-15% from the advertised hp. There are great articles on this, but of course, I can't find them.

PS I cant remember exactly, but I think now they measure the hp/torque from the belt performance... if someone can provide a link of what I'm talking about, that will be great, thanks.

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I read somewhere that the TL 5 A/T was roughly 8.2 sounded kind of strange
Old 08-28-2008, 02:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Blazing GT
I read somewhere that the TL 5 A/T was roughly 8.2 sounded kind of strange
that might be an 03 base TL but even all the reviews I read show them at about 7.2 or so.........
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Thats what I found couple days ago when I was wondering the same thing...

ASPEC-TL in 2005 3.2L VTEC 6speed --> 5.9 sec

BASE-TL in 2005 3.2 VTEC AUTO --> 6.3 sec

TOTAL SPECS
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Top speed : 155 mph(estimated)
0-60 mph : 5.9 sec.(manual), 6.3 sec.(automatic)
0-¼ mile : 14.5 sec @ 95.0 mph(manual)
60-0 braking distance : 130 ft
200 ft skidpad : 0.84 g
Old 08-28-2008, 04:18 PM
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Best reported time I've seen for a stock TL was in the May 2004 issue of Car and Driver. They road tested an A-Spec version of this car (A-Specs carry absolutely no alterations to the drive train). They managed a 0-60 run in 5.6 seconds and the quarter mile in 14.3 seconds at 99 MPH.
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Yeah according to what I understand our 0-60 time for 05 TL Auto is 6.1-6.2 secs... I know this sucks compared to my 05 Altima 3.5SE Automatic which was faster....5.9 seconds 0-60!! But I still love my TL.
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BMW has always been conservative in their published horsepower/torque numbers. An 06 auto TL and a manual 328i have an almost identical 0-60 time. If they're both autos, the TL is definitely quicker. The 330i is a little quicker than the 328i but not much. 335i -- different league IMO.
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Originally Posted by DanL
BMW has always been conservative in their published horsepower/torque numbers. An 06 auto TL and a manual 328i have an almost identical 0-60 time. If they're both autos, the TL is definitely quicker. The 330i is a little quicker than the 328i but not much. 335i -- different league IMO.
I agree, I dont think a base TL stands a chance with a 335i, ...Twin turbo haha! Even a TL-S might get owned by a 335i???
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Originally Posted by carlos9827
I agree, I dont think a base TL stands a chance with a 335i, ...Twin turbo haha! Even a TL-S might get owned by a 335i???
Depends on the drivers !!

I tested my 2004 ASPEC 6sp VS a 330 4 door (old model)

I was 1 hood ahead and it was the same top speed.....we went to 230km/h in fifth gear... it kinda gives you an idea!!
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Is there like a website that has information like this for all cars?

Yes, I'm gonna have to find another 328i on my way home to race
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Originally Posted by TeknoKing
Briefly,

An Example:
2004-2006 Base TL were rated at 270hp under the old SAE measuring standard. For 2007-08 the base went to down to 258hp according to the new and improved standards....

Nissan and BMW are the only car manufacturers that are still using the old standards. So it’s minus 12-15% from the advertised hp. There are great articles on this, but of course, I can't find them.

PS I cant remember exactly, but I think now they measure the hp/torque from the belt performance... if someone can provide a link of what I'm talking about, that will be great, thanks.
Where do you get the idea you subtract 12-15% for the SAE conversion??? From 270 to 258 is around 4.5%. BMW has always UNDERRATED their engines anyway. The 335 is rated at 300 and puts out ~275 at the wheels, stock. Published crank numbers mean very little in the real world.
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HP to weight people...
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I was messing around with a 330. I have just a TL-P with a couple bolt ons. I was just a touch faster then him, but not by much. It was very close.

Also considering it was after a 3 hour drive (I was coming home from Hampton Roads meet).
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
Where do you get the idea you subtract 12-15% for the SAE conversion??? From 270 to 258 is around 4.5%. BMW has always UNDERRATED their engines anyway. The 335 is rated at 300 and puts out ~275 at the wheels, stock. Published crank numbers mean very little in the real world.


I also dislike bench racing. Go out and do it, because there's slim to nil chances of an average person being able to duplicate magazine times, let alone beat them.

~Cheers~
Old 08-29-2008, 01:41 PM
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I also dislike bench racing. Go out and do it, because there's slim to nil chances of an average person being able to duplicate magazine times, let alone beat them.

~Cheers~
I'm way quicker than any of those tards at C&D magazine..... I just choose not to be
Old 08-29-2008, 02:19 PM
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Originally Posted by anx1300c
Where do you get the idea you subtract 12-15% for the SAE conversion??? From 270 to 258 is around 4.5%. BMW has always UNDERRATED their engines anyway. The 335 is rated at 300 and puts out ~275 at the wheels, stock. Published crank numbers mean very little in the real world.
And thus I asked for someone to provide the article with the correct info.

275whp? only 25hp loss???? wow.
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I agree, I dont think a base TL stands a chance with a 335i, ...Twin turbo haha! Even a TL-S might get owned by a 335i???
The TL-S will get blown.
Them 335s are no joke haha
but either way i love my TL-S
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Originally Posted by TeknoKing
And thus I asked for someone to provide the article with the correct info.

275whp? only 25hp loss???? wow.
No, it's just that the 335 is underrated! In reality they're probably ~325 crank.
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How fast do you think a Base 5AT w/ my bolt ons would be capable of (0-60mph)?
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How fast do you think a Base 5AT w/ my bolt ons would be capable of (0-60mph)?
6.0 maybe.
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cars.com reports a 0-60 for an 04 TL at 6.8sec
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Originally Posted by vas25tl
cars.com reports a 0-60 for an 04 TL at 6.8sec
That's a 5AT with the shifter left in drive and no pre-loading. My Grandmother could do better than that and she's been dead for 20+ years.
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Auto's with VSA off can do about 6.3-6.5, 6MT's have seen 5.7-5.9.
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if base tl autos can do 6.3-6.5, how about Type s auto? 5.6? Thats what the sales guy said from the dealer. According to him, manual is 5.5. Only a tenth sec different
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Originally Posted by lldknyll26
if base tl autos can do 6.3-6.5, how about Type s auto? 5.6? Thats what the sales guy said from the dealer. According to him, manual is 5.5. Only a tenth sec different
Type-S 5AT is more in the range of the base 6MT, if not a tenth slower; 5.8-6.0
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Originally Posted by JJaber06
Auto's with VSA off can do about 6.3-6.5, 6MT's have seen 5.7-5.9.
That post was pretty impressive coming from you. You are spot on....




Originally Posted by lldknyll26
if base tl autos can do 6.3-6.5, how about Type s auto? 5.6? Thats what the sales guy said from the dealer. According to him, manual is 5.5. Only a tenth sec different
Just because it's a Type-S doesn't mean it's automatically faster. It can be the complete opposite. The regular 6MT can be faster than the 5AT Type-S. No, the 5AT Type-S cannot obtain 5.5 sec in 0-60 unless you are going downhill at 40 degree angle. The 5.5 number is from the 6MT Type-S if launched right.


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Originally Posted by Manual Transmission
That post was pretty impressive coming from you. You are spot on....





Just because it's a Type-S doesn't mean it's automatically faster. It can be the complete opposite. The regular 6MT can be faster than the 5AT Type-S. No, the 5AT Type-S cannot obtain 5.5 sec in 0-60 unless you are going downhill at 40 degree angle. The 5.5 number is from the 6MT Type-S if launched right.


lolz
Coming from me? You're the forum retard, don't be ashamed of the title you worked so hard to get.
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What do you guys figure for the 0-60 of a tl-s auto with exhaust, intake, j-pipe, test pipe, pulley, and grippy summer tires? (aka me)
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Originally Posted by handy911
Where can we find information about 2006 non-type-S 0-60 information?

I was wondering which one is faster, my car, or an idiot who drives 328i who cut me this morning, and was mad when I cut back...
Car & Driver says you're going to reach 60 in the 5.5 - 5.7 range with a six speed, with the auto about four tenths or so behind. If it was a current 328, both versions would be slightly behind those figures - but if you're an automatic and he's a stick, he'd give you some trouble.

0-60 isn't the yardstick you should be using, however. In a contest out on the road (meaning not a dead stop), quarter mile trap speed is the best indicator of who's going to prevail.

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