What stock cars can the TL take? Who to avoid?
#121
Originally Posted by ChicagoSteel
The 1998 has the ls1 and is good for mid 13's in auto form.
The worst part about his story is that he actually believes it.
The worst part about his story is that he actually believes it.
#122
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Originally Posted by PizzaMan
The 98' camaro/firebirds have the LT1 and starting in 2000 they went to the LS1. I prviously owned a 2000 Trans Am WS6 with some mods and it would blow the doors off my 05' TL. Not even close. The LS1 is one of the best motors ever made.
#123
Just got the October 2005 issue of Motor Trend... They are wrapping up a "Long Term Test" on the '04 TL 5AT (see page 156)... They list the 0-60 as 6.9!! WTF? I have a 2005 6MT and there is no way it's a 7-second car... I'm assuming there's not that much of a difference between the MT and AT??
I also own a '99 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited w/ 4.7 ..... that SUV has a 0-60 of 7.3
Driving the 2 cars one after another (I switch quite a bit), I can attest that there is a HUGE difference between a 7.3 second car and an 3G TL when flooring it from a stop.. I agree that the Jeep is close to 7.3 - 7.5... but the TL is much quicker than that!
What confuses me is how did they pull a 6.9? It's not like they missed a shift in the MT?
I also own a '99 Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited w/ 4.7 ..... that SUV has a 0-60 of 7.3
Driving the 2 cars one after another (I switch quite a bit), I can attest that there is a HUGE difference between a 7.3 second car and an 3G TL when flooring it from a stop.. I agree that the Jeep is close to 7.3 - 7.5... but the TL is much quicker than that!
What confuses me is how did they pull a 6.9? It's not like they missed a shift in the MT?
#124
Originally Posted by PizzaMan
The 98' camaro/firebirds have the LT1 and starting in 2000 they went to the LS1. I prviously owned a 2000 Trans Am WS6 with some mods and it would blow the doors off my 05' TL. Not even close. The LS1 is one of the best motors ever made.
The Vette got the ls1 in 97, the Camaro/Trans Am got the ls1 in 1998.
#125
I would not expect a TL to beat the current V6 Altima. Maybe if the TL has a stick...
Neon SRT-4. Subaru WRX, esp. STi. Lancer Evo.
VW R32 Golf -- I think he'd win off the line; not sure about 50-70 though.
Neon SRT-4. Subaru WRX, esp. STi. Lancer Evo.
VW R32 Golf -- I think he'd win off the line; not sure about 50-70 though.
#126
Originally Posted by cpurick
I would not expect a TL to beat the current V6 Altima. Maybe if the TL has a stick...
Neon SRT-4. Subaru WRX, esp. STi. Lancer Evo.
VW R32 Golf -- I think he'd win off the line; not sure about 50-70 though.
Neon SRT-4. Subaru WRX, esp. STi. Lancer Evo.
VW R32 Golf -- I think he'd win off the line; not sure about 50-70 though.
#127
02+ Altima vs. TL/TL-S is a drivers race. If one is a manual and the other is an automatic, advantage goes to the manual as long as the driver is decent. Stock for stock, VQ35 Maxima's & J32 CL/TL's run nearly identical times. On the highway the Acura has the advantage, but from a stop the VQ is hard to match (great tq for a V6).
Basically this thread can be summed up pretty easily. If you have a stock automatic go hunting for anything that runs slower than high 14's, and if you have a 6 speed first learn to drive it well and then go looking for maybe some stock GT's(pre-05), WRX's, and maybe a 3 series or two.
Basically this thread can be summed up pretty easily. If you have a stock automatic go hunting for anything that runs slower than high 14's, and if you have a 6 speed first learn to drive it well and then go looking for maybe some stock GT's(pre-05), WRX's, and maybe a 3 series or two.
#128
Originally Posted by EZZ
The TL is as fast or faster than a V6 Altima. The altima guys do around 14.2 to 14.5 stock (manual) and I've seen those times with the TL. The VW R32 is quick but not as quick as the TL in the top end. I slowly pulled on a R32 with my G coupe and started pulling harder as we gained speed. I'd put my money on a TL in the 1/4th.
I think your experience with the R32 is pretty much as I predicted it.
#129
sorry guys, I apologize for my stupidity. The 1998 Camaros do have LS1 engines, not LT1, as I double checked it with my friend. LT1 was discountinued after 1997 and started with LS1 in 1998.
I believe my car is quicker than any stock Nissan Altima 3.5 V6 because mine is a pretty quick car
I believe my car is quicker than any stock Nissan Altima 3.5 V6 because mine is a pretty quick car
#130
Originally Posted by TheMainEvEnt
sorry guys, I apologize for my stupidity. The 1998 Camaros do have LS1 engines, not LT1, as I double checked it with my friend. LT1 was discountinued after 1997 and started with LS1 in 1998.
I believe my car is quicker than any stock Nissan Altima 3.5 V6 because mine is a pretty quick car
I believe my car is quicker than any stock Nissan Altima 3.5 V6 because mine is a pretty quick car
And no 04+ TL's have ran 13's NA yet, lots of Altimas have.
And dont claim that that graph is wrong because it says Maxima. The 02+ Altima & 02/03 Maxima dyno identical to each other, the Maxima was just overrated by about 10hp, but was underrated in tq. Nissan likes to play with their ratings more than any other mfr I know of.
#131
The VQ35DE has so much torque. I test drove an 02 Maxima auto and 6spd before buying my 02 TL. I couldn't get used to the feel of the Maxima when I gunned it from a stop. The tires just felt like they were bouncing trying to get traction, but man would it move!
#133
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
The VQ35DE has so much torque. I test drove an 02 Maxima auto and 6spd before buying my 02 TL. I couldn't get used to the feel of the Maxima when I gunned it from a stop. The tires just felt like they were bouncing trying to get traction, but man would it move!
#135
Originally Posted by Meek32v6
Im driving a 03 max SE right now cause my car and the dealer but i put it up against his 00 TL and it put a hurtin on it. Know it only had 225 and the max 255 i still didn't expect it to pull like it did. Even from bad roll when he jump the max would still pull. I got in his TL and couldn't do any better. I'll never sleep on a max again. I didn't think much on them before because my 04 could run with them but I the new TL should take'm
#137
So to get back to it
Who should I stay away from in an '04 TL/A-Spec. Other than the obvious ones. Anyone tried the"new" 'stangs yet? I know the Gt's are outta my league unless I've got road and I'm not limited to 140 like they are. And what the hell am I limited at? I haven't pushed it over 100 mainly because drivers here suck. That from a friend who had an 8 in his and has hit the limiter btw. Don't wanna blow mine or nitrous it, I like to drive it, not get pinned to the seat, though I'm getting used to FWD. I think I read I'm supposed to get 270 bhp but I could be wrong, and is the A-Spec even worth noting? Thanks
#138
Originally Posted by Joe5.0
Yeah, well Altima's make more tq & weigh 300 lbs less.
And no 04+ TL's have ran 13's NA yet, lots of Altimas have.
And dont claim that that graph is wrong because it says Maxima. The 02+ Altima & 02/03 Maxima dyno identical to each other, the Maxima was just overrated by about 10hp, but was underrated in tq. Nissan likes to play with their ratings more than any other mfr I know of.
And no 04+ TL's have ran 13's NA yet, lots of Altimas have.
And dont claim that that graph is wrong because it says Maxima. The 02+ Altima & 02/03 Maxima dyno identical to each other, the Maxima was just overrated by about 10hp, but was underrated in tq. Nissan likes to play with their ratings more than any other mfr I know of.
How was it that the 3.2 was putting down about 248 torque... ???
#139
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Originally Posted by kensukikatayo
But there was no Type-S for 00 so you're not really comparing like-powered cars, but do you think the VQ35DE would pull on a J32A2? I'd still say so but not by much. It wouldn't be more than half a car length I'm assuming from a dig to 80 or so.
#140
This is rediculous. The 04 TL and the G35, Maxima, Altima, BMW 3 series, and any other car in the 6 second race are so close in performance, its whomever drives better that will win. Don't avoid any of these cars...just drive better than them and you will win.
#142
Originally Posted by mickey3c
How was it that the 3.2 was putting down about 248 torque... ???
#143
Originally Posted by Actuary
So are we talking about red light racers here?
Stay away
New mustang GT, Cobra, C AMG, Camaros Firebirds, 300 SRT-8, STI, Evo and all other obvious ones (eg: corvette)
Close
G35 AWD, new 330i, new 530i, old 540i, E430, Ram Hemi, Old mustang GT, RX8
Go ahead
new 325i, old 325i, old 330i, C class(except AMG), 525i, E320 , old 530i, Altima, Maxima, New eclipse, WRX, Focus SVT, Civic SI
I could be wrong on couple of those cars since I never been to red light racing with all of them.
I would try if it was a rolling start against a camaro
Stay away
New mustang GT, Cobra, C AMG, Camaros Firebirds, 300 SRT-8, STI, Evo and all other obvious ones (eg: corvette)
Close
G35 AWD, new 330i, new 530i, old 540i, E430, Ram Hemi, Old mustang GT, RX8
Go ahead
new 325i, old 325i, old 330i, C class(except AMG), 525i, E320 , old 530i, Altima, Maxima, New eclipse, WRX, Focus SVT, Civic SI
I could be wrong on couple of those cars since I never been to red light racing with all of them.
I would try if it was a rolling start against a camaro
#144
Originally Posted by sdaeb02
what about an A4 2.0 turbo? My friend just bought one and swears it could. I looked at the specs and beg to differ....
#145
Watch out for the new Jeep Cherokee with the Hemi...
Anyone from NJ - I take Rt. 33 through Manalapan everyday.
Was sitting at a light next to this thing - my "race picking" days (in cars anyway) are gone, so I wasn't expecting what happened.
He gunned it from the light, I heard the engine and exhaust whaling. After a modest clutch release - then realizing the race was on - I couldn't catch up to him up to 80mph. We played a few more times - and mind you I'm not powershifting or really abusing the car - but he got me by several car lengths every time - increasing the gap as we accelerated.
I used to drive 5.0's (some heavily modded) back in my early 20's, and was confident those cars would take a beating. Maybe I'm subconsciously afraid the TL's stick will break off in my hand when powershifting!!! Took a while to get used to the quick revving VTEC engine too - used to bounce off the rev limiter all the time!
Anyone from NJ - I take Rt. 33 through Manalapan everyday.
Was sitting at a light next to this thing - my "race picking" days (in cars anyway) are gone, so I wasn't expecting what happened.
He gunned it from the light, I heard the engine and exhaust whaling. After a modest clutch release - then realizing the race was on - I couldn't catch up to him up to 80mph. We played a few more times - and mind you I'm not powershifting or really abusing the car - but he got me by several car lengths every time - increasing the gap as we accelerated.
I used to drive 5.0's (some heavily modded) back in my early 20's, and was confident those cars would take a beating. Maybe I'm subconsciously afraid the TL's stick will break off in my hand when powershifting!!! Took a while to get used to the quick revving VTEC engine too - used to bounce off the rev limiter all the time!
#146
Originally Posted by Wid-TL
Watch out for the new Jeep Cherokee with the Hemi...
Anyone from NJ - I take Rt. 33 through Manalapan everyday.
Was sitting at a light next to this thing - my "race picking" days (in cars anyway) are gone, so I wasn't expecting what happened.
He gunned it from the light, I heard the engine and exhaust whaling. After a modest clutch release - then realizing the race was on - I couldn't catch up to him up to 80mph. We played a few more times - and mind you I'm not powershifting or really abusing the car - but he got me by several car lengths every time - increasing the gap as we accelerated.
I used to drive 5.0's (some heavily modded) back in my early 20's, and was confident those cars would take a beating. Maybe I'm subconsciously afraid the TL's stick will break off in my hand when powershifting!!! Took a while to get used to the quick revving VTEC engine too - used to bounce off the rev limiter all the time!
Anyone from NJ - I take Rt. 33 through Manalapan everyday.
Was sitting at a light next to this thing - my "race picking" days (in cars anyway) are gone, so I wasn't expecting what happened.
He gunned it from the light, I heard the engine and exhaust whaling. After a modest clutch release - then realizing the race was on - I couldn't catch up to him up to 80mph. We played a few more times - and mind you I'm not powershifting or really abusing the car - but he got me by several car lengths every time - increasing the gap as we accelerated.
I used to drive 5.0's (some heavily modded) back in my early 20's, and was confident those cars would take a beating. Maybe I'm subconsciously afraid the TL's stick will break off in my hand when powershifting!!! Took a while to get used to the quick revving VTEC engine too - used to bounce off the rev limiter all the time!
If your talking about the new Jeep SRT8, it SHOULD beat us. It's like 0-60 in 4.8 or something like that. May be heavier then ours but 420 HP is sufficient enough
That's really a nice vehicle, saw the first one on the road down near Atlantic City this weekend.
#147
Originally Posted by becker800
If your talking about the new Jeep SRT8, it SHOULD beat us. It's like 0-60 in 4.8 or something like that. May be heavier then ours but 420 HP is sufficient enough
That's really a nice vehicle, saw the first one on the road down near Atlantic City this weekend.
That's really a nice vehicle, saw the first one on the road down near Atlantic City this weekend.
#148
I wasn't really trying that hard, but some Hyundai Tiburon caught me off guard the other day. After I pulled away from him I backed off, but I was surprised. Someone in a POS or an inferior car could probably smoke you if you don't know how to drive or aren't paying attention. BTW, did anyone speak about the GLI or GTI? I would spec them myself, but I am too lazy...hehe.
#149
Originally Posted by blktl1
Yeah unless you are super charged it will be near impossible to take the SRT8. I think it runs a 13.5 1/4 stock. My brother has a 2001 Grand cherokee with the HO and he has intake and exhaust and he runs a 14.1. He used to beat me when we were stock. i could beat him until I had better tires an intake and exhaust.
You dont take a 15.3 Jeep down to 14.1 with a last on intake and exhaust.
(Trust me I had a modified GC 5.9 that ran 14.3)
#150
I've kept infront of a new G35 coupe with a crucial hottie in it. Man was that a good time ... it was on the freeway (George Washington Parkway around DC to be exact). He drove up next to me and said that I had more balls then him because I was going crazy in and out of traffic.
I also rocked (beat) a 1st gen Lexus IS300. He was no where to be found.
This was all with a stock '06 TL automatic in sport shift mode. But now I'm getting mods shipped in ... so we'll see what else I can mess with ...
We have to remember tho ... our TL's are a luxury car with a sporty feel or touches. So we aren't supposed to be completly tearing the streets up with fast 0-60's and neck breaking quarter miles.
I also rocked (beat) a 1st gen Lexus IS300. He was no where to be found.
This was all with a stock '06 TL automatic in sport shift mode. But now I'm getting mods shipped in ... so we'll see what else I can mess with ...
We have to remember tho ... our TL's are a luxury car with a sporty feel or touches. So we aren't supposed to be completly tearing the streets up with fast 0-60's and neck breaking quarter miles.
#152
All these stories about this beating that on the streets mean nothing. On the track it's a different story, you know on the track both parties are going to actually try and they have the same goal in mind and that is to get to the end of the track as fast as possible. On the streets you dont know what the other person is going to do or if they're even going to give it 100%.
Think about this, I raced my friends 04 325i with my 93 accord lx. I got him by 4 car lengths easily. You know what though, I knew he didn't know how to launch and he wasn't going to floor it. But hey, how many of you guys actually stop and ask the guy you just "smoked" if he tried, if he knows how to launch or where he began to shut it down?
So does that mean any 93 accord can smoke a 325 anyday? No. If we were on a track, then of course he would actually give it his all, because that's why your there.
Think about this, I raced my friends 04 325i with my 93 accord lx. I got him by 4 car lengths easily. You know what though, I knew he didn't know how to launch and he wasn't going to floor it. But hey, how many of you guys actually stop and ask the guy you just "smoked" if he tried, if he knows how to launch or where he began to shut it down?
So does that mean any 93 accord can smoke a 325 anyday? No. If we were on a track, then of course he would actually give it his all, because that's why your there.
#153
Have any of you got into it with the new 2.0 GTI? I am planning on getting my 06 6MT this week if they can locate the one I want, and my buddy just got the new GTI...
Just wondered how I would hold up against him?
Just wondered how I would hold up against him?
#156
Originally Posted by dman918
Pretty good list. The WRX would be close though.
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