WdnUlik2no

arggh!! stupid me, and I aced math all through my school years!! My bad, I must have fat fingered or something. But I am right though, the stick G's have 38 more HP giving it 298.

considering a 38 HP jump, I think the new stick G's could take the TL. Its cool that they gave the stick sedans 38 more horses, but I think its kind of dumb that they didn't up the coupe autos, they still have 280.

WdnUlik2no

Very confusing indeed. I like the way they upped the HP in the Sedan sticks, but leaving the auto coupes are 280??!! IMO all coupes should have AT LEAST 298 HP (stick or auto), and continue to only offer the 298 HP in the sedan sticks. I would think that people who buy the coupes would want more power than the sedans (auto or manual). The only thing that people have to compare now is looks because now the coupe and sedan are pretty much identical when it comes to power.

Also the people who can't drive sticks or simply don't want one, really have no reason to buy an 05 coupe when the 03/04 have the same exact power.

toynaround

[QUOTE=mickey3c]low 5s for a boxster S?!!! lol with the 3.2? I find that hard to believe but then Ihave seen mags off by a second or more in their times.

Why would you find it hard to believe low 5's with a 3.2? The S2000 is in the mid 5's with a 2.2? I have not found Car and Driver's test times to be inacurate, do you have any reason to doubt them?

Peter

black321

seriously... why is this dude so cocky in his bimmer... agreed, if its not one of those bimmers, then i could smoke u no problem.... and i've beat m3's, even with the torque/hp disadvatage of the tl.... its all about what happens over 100... most m3 drivers are little bitches who can't take the speed anyway and bow out. but the 545s are always better, older, more experienced drivers who know how to push their cars.

EZZ

The autos come with 280hp but 270 ft/lbs of torque while the new 6 speeds come with 260 ft/lbs of torque with a higher redline. The 10 ft/lbs of torque is better for the auto than the extra horsepower because of the gearing of the 5 speed auto vs the 6 speed manual. The manual can take advantage of the higher rpms much more effectively while the auto benefits from a fatter torque band in the low/mid range rpms. The coupe also benfits from a tighter suspension than the sedan and has a lower center of gravity. Forged 19 inch wheels are an option on the coupe while the sedans can only get the 18s. The coupe also sounds much more aggressive. The sedans do come with the intelligent key which is not available on the coupe.

nikko

The new BMW 330i will eat any TL for breakfast!
My buddy got one and already smoked his neighbour's 2005 TL MT a few times.
New 330i runs around 5.2 sec 0-60mph!

WdnUlik2no

The new 330's are no joke. I read that Car and Drive article on it, and your right they claim 5.2 in 0-60, pretty impressive. Still wouldn't pay over 40 grand for it though! heh.

Zeuser

Close race: Altima SE-R. Where the "Normal" V6 altima isn't much of an issue, the SE-R version is really quick.

Joke: The new 525i. In CDN $ a modestly equipped 325i is $48K, a fully loaded TL (6MT, brembo and nav) will run you $46K. I went to a BMW dealership to check them out. Not impressed! To add insult to injury I get back into my TL, pull out of the dealership and a guy in a demo 325i was acting like an ass trying to get ahead of me (very stupid driving too). No contest, smoked him easily. Sort of a wake up call: "You're not getting your money's worth pal. Give the demo back and visit an Acura dealership."

EZZ

Actually, they claim 5.6 and in the recent automobile comparo between the new 330i, the 298hp G35 sedan, and the 6-speed CTS, the G35 beat the 330 in every performance category except lateral Gs. So the TL will probably more than hold its own against the 330.

WdnUlik2no

Oh OK, I was talking about the C&D I got in the mail with the new 330 on the front and it said something like "3 series spared!! 0-60 5.2 seconds" I didn't see the comparo article though.

ndx2

puh-lease. The e46 M3 has to try pretty hard to "eat any TL for breakfast." I highly doubt the 330i, while I agree that it is an awesome car, will outperform the M3.

Of course your buddy, a BMW owner, will say he smoked his neighbors' "inferior" brand cars. Most BMW owners I've seen, even the 325i owners, talk shit about others all the time, including the G. 0-60 times on stock set up really don't mean much, considering some cars come with sticky tires, whereas others (i.e. TL) come with shitty tires.

The 1/4 mile time and/or a laptime around a roadcourse/track are the only "reliable" ways to tell which car performs better.

Are the 330i's running sub 14 sec 1/4 mile? 'Cause you know, stock 6MT TL's run low to mid 14's... and these numbers are real-life figures achieved by AZ members, not some magazines' published numbers.

EZZ

I read that article...it was about a month ago. I remembered 5.6 to 60 and 14.3 in the 1/4th but if you have the magazine and it reads 5.2, then I will defer to your numbers...however, I have the latest R&T and they test the 330 at 6.1 to 60. The new automobile comparo tested 6.1 to 60 while the G35 got 5.8. Motortrend also got 6 to 60. In most tests, the 30hp increase didn't do enough to offset the extra weight so the e46 and the e90 are relatively the same speed. Where the real improvement comes in is the handling of the new car...supposedly its really good.

nikko

Here is the time he's got at the race track:
0-60 mph...............5.21 sec
1/4 mile..................13.97 sec@101mph

WdnUlik2no

I'll try to find it when I get home. You may be right. My memory may be shot anyway, working 13+ hour days all week can do that to you!

chill_dog

One thing everyone here seems to be forgetting - for a BMW to even have a chance to beat a TL, G, or whatever, it has to be out of the shop.

EZZ

low blow. True...but still.

bigman

You must have never been in an E46 M3 before. Ive watched that thing destroy a 6 speed CL-S with intake headers and exhaust from a roll and off the line. Also i have seen an E46 330CI get beat by a TL in from a dig, but the 330 took the TL on the Highway. The TL was a type s with comptech axle backs and an aem intake.

ndx2

1. His car is moderately modded.
2. He's full of shit

Here are some numbers from BMW:

E46 330i - 6.4
E46 330i ZHP - 5.9
E46 M3 - 4.8
E90 325i - 6.7
E90 330i - 6.1

What kind of race track (actually a drag strip, since he's got his 1/4 mile time) gives out 0-60 mph time?

The E90 330i is actually slower than the E46 330i ZHP in the 1/4 mile as well, as far as I know.

In a straight line race, the 330i and the TL will produce similar results.

ndx2

Well, ok, my comment regarding the E46 M3 may have been inaccurate to an extent. I do realize the E46 M3 will outperform the TL in every way.

I merely stated that it would take a good driver in an e46 M3 to "eat any TL for breakfast." My brother's TL-S has gone up against an M3, with the M3 hitting the gas first, and the M3 could not pull away. Surely, this is because the guy didn't know how to drive his car right.

AcuraVic

Nikko, you said "watch out for YOUR BMW" . You've said alot about your buddy's car, but the question still remains.... what BMW do you own ? Just for the record, in addition to the 04/TL, I OWN, in my garage, mine, not my buddies, an 02/530I.

ndx2

I think it was SergeyM who said "avoid me and my BMW."

nikko

Apparently the only mod he got was the wheels, he ditched the stock ones for some 'high performance' type of wheels and rubber.
BTW I wasn't with him at the race track but I did get a spin in his car and seemed very fast.
I don't want to argue about these numbers as I don't hold my breath on them.
Sorry if "eat for breakfast" offended some readers, it got into my system for some reason.

nikko

I do not own a TL anymore, just traded in for a BMW 545 but I really love this forum.....BMW forum is sooooooooooooooo boring!

SergeyM

That was just a joke. Even though my car (2005 545 sport automatic) is faster than TL the Acura can give the BMW a good fight at lower speeds. Above 100mph it will be no contest. Interesting enough one of my colleagues just got a brand new 6-speed TL with the A-spec package. We agree to have a little fun after his car is broken in. So what do you guys think? 6-speed A-spec vs. stock 545 auto. Does Acura have a chance?

Rspec

Just for the record, an E46 M3 will eat the TL for breakfast any day and anyone who knows cars will say this

Rspec

The acura does not stand a chance against the V8 power of the 545i
horsepower = 270 vs 325
torque = 238 vs 330

weight = 3557 vs 3748

come on guys, the Bimmer will loose him by the time they hit 100.

AcuraVic

My mistake. So, do you like the 545 ? I ask cause I've had a 05/525I for a week while a torque converter is being replaced in the 02/530, under warranty of course. I think the insides of the new 5 series are unapealing and dry.

nikko

True, the interior is bland and cold like most of german cars but hey, nothing is perfect in this world!

NFLblitze1

What about the VOlkswagen GTI

whatjones911

Yea.. mercedes' 7 speed auto is as fast and maybe be slightly faster than their manual transmission.

mickey3c

This all started over a C230 MB...lol 201 ponies and 181 torque. I would say they are out there taking on corollas and 4cyl camrys. The "C" stands for cheap.

cityboyblues

Made a bad mistake yesterday......a 240 ppl!!!a f*%kin 240........it was dropped an modded to hell an back you could tell, came up beside me on I-95 north, and I took the bait....shakes head....@ 100mph and some change he pulled away from me like I was sitting still. Has been my only loss so far, but to a nissan?!?!!? The next sound you hear will be a bawling Italian

ttliang

that's what NOS will do to you at those speed. don't feel too bad. you shoulda kept on racing it till its NOS run out. ha. there are a lot of things you can do if you don't care about the long term health of your engine and tranny (or keep putting in new parts in that regard).

Sarushibai

lol where do you people find the time to do all this racing. Im 19 and I and dont even race that much. On the other hand though the cops in my city are kind of dicks, I have to travel further into san antonio for me to have any fun. Well you know what you could say... The TL costs 35K (roughly) and a 330I worth anyones time (like leather persay) goes for about 45k?? well with 10,000 worth of mods to my TL... im pretty sure... no wait.. IM FUCKING POSITIVE that my car will smoke that Bavarian maintanence nightmare. Oh yea and at the end of the day.. my car still wont be in the shop.
To be honest though I do like BMW, well the Ms at least.

EZZ

If you mean drag race then you don't need any mods to win that one...the TL is already faster. If you mean on a course, just take a couple racing courses at skip barber and you could smoke 99% of the drivers out there

kensukikatayo

I never really got any races until i got my headers and Rotoras (I guess they see the slotted and hear the resonance).

mickey3c

avoid the 06 impala SS...

ericajackhannahjamie?

Try not to race on the street. But if you must, with proper knowledge of shifting and control, you can take a C230 Sports Sedan. I have a 6MT with modification, so in the category of G35 and BMW 3 series, I can give them a very good run for their money. I personally have not seen any new celicas on the road where I live, but I highly doubt there is any civics that can out run my car on the street unless they're into serious modification.
Most of my friends have the cars crazymjb mentioned above; civic, G35, Lexus ES330, C class and 330ci. The only one I seem unable to win on regular basis is the 330ci and Bobby's E55. However, these races were previous arranged, not just a random light race, and the E55 is not really in our class.

sAnFrAn_G

civics and celicas!!!...dude you on crack or some shit

03CoupeV6

He meant the TL could take those cars, not that the TL would lose to those.