What the HELL does the GS300 have on the 04TL?!
03-04-2004, 08:36 AM
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I don't think Lexus is a Mercedes "wanna be." Just check out the comparisons where the LS almost always comes out on top when compared with the Mercedes S-Class, BMW 7-series, Jaguar XJ8, Audi A8L,...
I have to admit though, Acura did score right with the TL, ever since it came out in '99, as far as offering a great bang for the buck. In 2001, I bought myself a new TL. Great car for the price. Today I'm in a G35, which also is a great bang for the buck.
I have to admit though, Acura did score right with the TL, ever since it came out in '99, as far as offering a great bang for the buck. In 2001, I bought myself a new TL. Great car for the price. Today I'm in a G35, which also is a great bang for the buck.
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I know im saying this for like the 5th time, but sitting in an 04TL isnt as comfortable as an ES300 or GS300. Lexuses are great cars. You need to own one to appreciate it. We have 2 lexuses and an 04TL. The TL is faster, and has some more electronics, but thats pretty much it. The quality of the lexuses is higher than the Acura.
03-04-2004, 07:59 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
I have truly read some dumb **** in this thread. I am dumber for it. I cannot believe the low intelligence level of some people here.
GS 300 owners are not people who want to race or care about the best car. For those saying the TL has more features, no **** dummies, the GS has been out since 1997 as a 98 model That is 7 years ago just about. The TL better have new features. THe TL still is based on an Accord no matter how u cut it. The GS is platform specific with the legendary 2JZ engine.
The TL maybe faster and offer XM and bluetooth but lacks the quality, fit and finish and refinement of the GS 300.
Lexus is not trying to butcher the luxury name selling cheap cars.
Turd, the IS is a shorter platform of the GS. The TL is a nicer version of the Accord.
Thank you.
BTW, here is what the new GS 300 is going to offer.
Lexus introduced the new GS luxury sport sedan today at a press conference at the North American International Auto Show. The all-new, more powerful GS utilizes the latest in advanced technology to improve both performance and handling and is the first in a new wave of Lexus products to reflect a new, more passionate direction in styling.
"From a technology standpoint, the GS employs a sophisticated array of advanced safety, comfort and convenience features that will cause even the most enthusiastic driver to take notice," said Denny Clements, Lexus group vice president and general manager. "From a design standpoint, the new GS will be the first vehicle in our lineup to benefit from a new, more passionate direction in styling."
First All-Wheel Drive Model
Significantly, the new GS will feature all-wheel-drive, the first such application in any Lexus car, and offer the performance enhancements and advanced vehicle control of the Lexus Vehicle Dynamic Management (VDM) system. Monitoring a variety of sensors, the system is capable of anticipating the onset of a vehicle skid or slide and then helps correct the situation with a combination of braking and throttle control. The new VDM system is less obtrusive than conventional VSC but ultimately more effective.
Performance Optimized
Joining the potent and refined 4.3-liter V8 will be an all-new 245-horsepower V6 engine replacing the current inline six. Both the powerful V6 and V8 engines benefit from an all-new close-ratio 6-speed automatic transmission with a sequential manual-shifting mode. The combination provides faster and substantially smoother acceleration for even better performance and, surprisingly, improved fuel economy. A new Adaptive Variable Suspension allows the driver to fine-tune suspension damping with four settings ranging from normal-mode for everyday driving to a sport-mode for a tighter, more precise feel.
New Lexus Design Direction
From an architectural standpoint, the GS marks a move towards a more sculptural direction... that is artistic, dynamic, simple... yet intriguing. A two-inch longer wheelbase and short overhangs on the new GS creates a wide, powerful stance. A long hood, pulled-back cabin and slingshot windows recall classic sports car proportions and the vertical grille surrounded by four independent headlamps connects the new GS with the outgoing model, but with a futuristic look. The front also features an aggressive lower valence with integrated fog lamps. Dynamic 18-inch wheels on the V8 model help tie the muscular yet elegant look together.
The creation of a unique spatial feeling in the passenger compartment is central to the new Lexus design direction. The interior of the new GS has a precision, luxury feel with ultra-premium wood, polished metal and leather accents. Everything inside the GS is designed and styled to create a haven for peaceful comfort and relaxation, from contoured and supportive front seats with optional climate control to the standard 10-speaker audio system with simple steering wheel controls.
New Intelligent Luxury Sport Sedan
In addition to a new look and feel, the new GS also improves upon the increasingly complex nature of automotive technology. The GS offers numerous standard features, such as a keyless SmartAccess that allows the driver to lock, unlock and start the car simply by touching the door handle (with a key fob in pocket) and then simply pressing a push-button to start. An advanced Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPM) can detect and notify the driver, via an indicator warning light, of a significant loss in pressure in one or more tires, a condition that could potentially lead to premature tire wear and loss of control. The GS will also feature the Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), which helps illuminate a turn or curve as the driver steers into it.
A rear back-up camera is also added for 2006, providing an extra margin of confidence when reversing the vehicle. Available in conjunction with the optional navigation system, it automatically projects an image of what the camera lens can detect behind the vehicle onto the navigation screen when the vehicle is in the reverse gear.
"With the new GS we took all that was good in terms of technology and found ways to make it more intuitive, more intelligent and more relevant to the needs of its driver," said Clements.
Advanced Safety Features
The GS will also offer an optional Pre-Collision System (PCS) that can help reduce collision injury and damage. The system uses a millimeter-wave radar sensor to detect obstacles in front of the car and a pre-collision system computer with vehicle speed, steering angle and yaw rate inputs that help to determine in advance whether a collision is unavoidable. The system then preemptively retracts front seat belts and prepares Brake Assist for increased braking force to help reduce collision speed.
In addition, the new GS gains new knee airbags for the driver and front passenger as well as front and rear side curtain airbags as standard equipment. The Supplemental Restraint System in the new GS also includes variable-force front airbags for both driver and front passenger. Sensors determine the severity of the accident and in turn the force with which to deploy the front airbags, helping to provide the appropriate level of occupant restraint.
"Nearly every feature on the GS makes this sports sedan more manageable and more engaging to drive," said Clements.
Preliminary Specifications
Wheelbase: 112.2 in.
Length: 189.8 in.
Width: 71.7 in.
Height: 56.1 in.
Engines: 3.0 liter V6 - 245 hp; 228 lb.-ft. of torque
4.3 liter V8 - 300 hp; 325 lb.-ft. of torque
Transmission: 6-speed sequential automatic
I have truly read some dumb **** in this thread. I am dumber for it. I cannot believe the low intelligence level of some people here.
GS 300 owners are not people who want to race or care about the best car. For those saying the TL has more features, no **** dummies, the GS has been out since 1997 as a 98 model That is 7 years ago just about. The TL better have new features. THe TL still is based on an Accord no matter how u cut it. The GS is platform specific with the legendary 2JZ engine.
The TL maybe faster and offer XM and bluetooth but lacks the quality, fit and finish and refinement of the GS 300.
Lexus is not trying to butcher the luxury name selling cheap cars.
Turd, the IS is a shorter platform of the GS. The TL is a nicer version of the Accord.
Thank you.
BTW, here is what the new GS 300 is going to offer.
Lexus introduced the new GS luxury sport sedan today at a press conference at the North American International Auto Show. The all-new, more powerful GS utilizes the latest in advanced technology to improve both performance and handling and is the first in a new wave of Lexus products to reflect a new, more passionate direction in styling.
"From a technology standpoint, the GS employs a sophisticated array of advanced safety, comfort and convenience features that will cause even the most enthusiastic driver to take notice," said Denny Clements, Lexus group vice president and general manager. "From a design standpoint, the new GS will be the first vehicle in our lineup to benefit from a new, more passionate direction in styling."
First All-Wheel Drive Model
Significantly, the new GS will feature all-wheel-drive, the first such application in any Lexus car, and offer the performance enhancements and advanced vehicle control of the Lexus Vehicle Dynamic Management (VDM) system. Monitoring a variety of sensors, the system is capable of anticipating the onset of a vehicle skid or slide and then helps correct the situation with a combination of braking and throttle control. The new VDM system is less obtrusive than conventional VSC but ultimately more effective.
Performance Optimized
Joining the potent and refined 4.3-liter V8 will be an all-new 245-horsepower V6 engine replacing the current inline six. Both the powerful V6 and V8 engines benefit from an all-new close-ratio 6-speed automatic transmission with a sequential manual-shifting mode. The combination provides faster and substantially smoother acceleration for even better performance and, surprisingly, improved fuel economy. A new Adaptive Variable Suspension allows the driver to fine-tune suspension damping with four settings ranging from normal-mode for everyday driving to a sport-mode for a tighter, more precise feel.
New Lexus Design Direction
From an architectural standpoint, the GS marks a move towards a more sculptural direction... that is artistic, dynamic, simple... yet intriguing. A two-inch longer wheelbase and short overhangs on the new GS creates a wide, powerful stance. A long hood, pulled-back cabin and slingshot windows recall classic sports car proportions and the vertical grille surrounded by four independent headlamps connects the new GS with the outgoing model, but with a futuristic look. The front also features an aggressive lower valence with integrated fog lamps. Dynamic 18-inch wheels on the V8 model help tie the muscular yet elegant look together.
The creation of a unique spatial feeling in the passenger compartment is central to the new Lexus design direction. The interior of the new GS has a precision, luxury feel with ultra-premium wood, polished metal and leather accents. Everything inside the GS is designed and styled to create a haven for peaceful comfort and relaxation, from contoured and supportive front seats with optional climate control to the standard 10-speaker audio system with simple steering wheel controls.
New Intelligent Luxury Sport Sedan
In addition to a new look and feel, the new GS also improves upon the increasingly complex nature of automotive technology. The GS offers numerous standard features, such as a keyless SmartAccess that allows the driver to lock, unlock and start the car simply by touching the door handle (with a key fob in pocket) and then simply pressing a push-button to start. An advanced Tire Pressure Monitoring System (TPM) can detect and notify the driver, via an indicator warning light, of a significant loss in pressure in one or more tires, a condition that could potentially lead to premature tire wear and loss of control. The GS will also feature the Adaptive Front lighting System (AFS), which helps illuminate a turn or curve as the driver steers into it.
A rear back-up camera is also added for 2006, providing an extra margin of confidence when reversing the vehicle. Available in conjunction with the optional navigation system, it automatically projects an image of what the camera lens can detect behind the vehicle onto the navigation screen when the vehicle is in the reverse gear.
"With the new GS we took all that was good in terms of technology and found ways to make it more intuitive, more intelligent and more relevant to the needs of its driver," said Clements.
Advanced Safety Features
The GS will also offer an optional Pre-Collision System (PCS) that can help reduce collision injury and damage. The system uses a millimeter-wave radar sensor to detect obstacles in front of the car and a pre-collision system computer with vehicle speed, steering angle and yaw rate inputs that help to determine in advance whether a collision is unavoidable. The system then preemptively retracts front seat belts and prepares Brake Assist for increased braking force to help reduce collision speed.
In addition, the new GS gains new knee airbags for the driver and front passenger as well as front and rear side curtain airbags as standard equipment. The Supplemental Restraint System in the new GS also includes variable-force front airbags for both driver and front passenger. Sensors determine the severity of the accident and in turn the force with which to deploy the front airbags, helping to provide the appropriate level of occupant restraint.
"Nearly every feature on the GS makes this sports sedan more manageable and more engaging to drive," said Clements.
Preliminary Specifications
Wheelbase: 112.2 in.
Length: 189.8 in.
Width: 71.7 in.
Height: 56.1 in.
Engines: 3.0 liter V6 - 245 hp; 228 lb.-ft. of torque
4.3 liter V8 - 300 hp; 325 lb.-ft. of torque
Transmission: 6-speed sequential automatic
03-04-2004, 08:08 PM
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If you don't like my opinion that the IS looks like a Civic, thats fine but you do not need to call me a name if you felt insulted by it.
I have said it before, but you know way too much about Lexus'. You need to get a life, or a marketing job with Lexus.
I consider myself an automobile enthusiast and a Lexus specialist. So that is where a lot of my knowledge will be. If I was a Mustang, or even a Kia enthusiast/specialist, I would try to have my knowledge level the same.With the internet, everyone has much of an opinion, so it's really stating facts and if you can sources to back them up that can really help a debate.
03-04-2004, 08:16 PM
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i second everyone's comments on Lexus quality--no one compares. my gf's rx330 is a great SUV and the interior is incredible, but I just don't get excited sitting in any lexus, especially not the GS...
03-04-2004, 08:55 PM
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Originally posted by TLud
i second everyone's comments on Lexus quality--no one compares. my gf's rx330 is a great SUV and the interior is incredible, but I just don't get excited sitting in any lexus, especially not the GS...
i second everyone's comments on Lexus quality--no one compares. my gf's rx330 is a great SUV and the interior is incredible, but I just don't get excited sitting in any lexus, especially not the GS...
03-05-2004, 12:21 AM
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Originally posted by vtechbrain
I had a GF who was like a lexus , she was hot, beautiful but when she f*cked she was as exiting as a doorknob. Needless to say the relationship was short lived
I had a GF who was like a lexus , she was hot, beautiful but when she f*cked she was as exiting as a doorknob. Needless to say the relationship was short lived
Im not bashing the TL, i have an 04, and its got a great engine, but i have the Acura in the garage right now between 2 lexuses, so its pretty easy to compare them, and the lexuses are built with better materials and are more comfortable to ride in. You can tell the difference in quality by driving an Acura, and then Driving a Lexus. My parents like lexuses, i dont really like them, but if your talking about quality, and making the driver and passenger feel like they are in a true luxury car, lexus is for you. I really like the TL because its sportier than most lexuses, but to me, "Sports Car" and "4 doors" doesnt get along, unless its an M5, or Audi RS6.
03-05-2004, 09:38 AM
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IMO, Lexus' quality edge over Acura is extremely marginal @ best. The only Lexus I'd take over an Acura is the LS430 over the RL. But the new RL, is shaping up to change that.
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03-05-2004, 11:07 AM
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I just wish Toyota/Lexus would QUIT with the copy-cat game. the LS is a Merc, and the new LS is a Merc-RL.
The first GS was nice on the eyes, the second GS was a Merc E-Class, hands down. Have you seen the new GS ?? it's a Friggin 04TL in the front.
The first SC was awesome, the current one, I've made better puddles of vomit.
The Camry/ES is just the fugliest thing to hit the road, it looks like when thieves put the stockings on their face and pull it way back slanting their eyes half way across their head.
The IS I'll have to admit it descent looking, tho I can't STAND altezza lights so I have to dock it for that. I don't like the new MDX tails for the same reason.
When Toyota can make a name for some styling of their own, I'll look.
The first GS was nice on the eyes, the second GS was a Merc E-Class, hands down. Have you seen the new GS ?? it's a Friggin 04TL in the front.
The first SC was awesome, the current one, I've made better puddles of vomit.
The Camry/ES is just the fugliest thing to hit the road, it looks like when thieves put the stockings on their face and pull it way back slanting their eyes half way across their head.
The IS I'll have to admit it descent looking, tho I can't STAND altezza lights so I have to dock it for that. I don't like the new MDX tails for the same reason.
When Toyota can make a name for some styling of their own, I'll look.
03-05-2004, 12:26 PM
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Since the 1980s, Toyota's been out to prove that they can build the highest quality automobiles in the world, irrespective of anything else. And they are @ the pinnacle of automotive quality!! At what cost though? They havent had an enthusiast inspiring car since the MKIV.
I dont mean to turn this into a Honda vs Toyota thread but, IMO Toyota/Lexus has to revamp their lineup all around. (I guess Scion and the new GS is a start.) Outside of the current RL, the Honda/Acura lineup is SOLID!!!!
I dont mean to turn this into a Honda vs Toyota thread but, IMO Toyota/Lexus has to revamp their lineup all around. (I guess Scion and the new GS is a start.) Outside of the current RL, the Honda/Acura lineup is SOLID!!!!
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Originally posted by mohmike
I don't know, what does his grlfriend look like?
I don't know, what does his grlfriend look like?
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!
back to the topic...a couple of my friends have the gs300...another one hase the IS....the day they saw my TL and then rode in it, they wanted to trade in their cars.....just my 2 cents....
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I dont mean to turn this into a Honda vs Toyota thread but, IMO Toyota/Lexus has to revamp their lineup all around. (I guess Scion and the new GS is a start.) Outside of the current RL, the Honda/Acura lineup is SOLID!!!!
So your argument is clearly how you feel but not reality.Lexus is going to re-vamp every sedan by 2007. Future plans:
Car above the LS 430
New LX 470
The next IS will be in coupe, sedan, wagon and convertible forms
A Lexus performance unit to go against AMG and M.
All cars will offer AWD
All cars will offer Hybrids
This has been promised by the GM. He has also stated "we just sold 260,000 Lexus, so we will not alienate those people".
Acura will remain an entry level player but not a luxury car company. Even with a new RL coming, the new GS will offer AWD and hybrid tech. The RL has lost any advantage it would have had.
03-05-2004, 07:44 PM
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
Well, Lexus is the top selling luxury brand 4 years in a row (264,000 units sold), Acura sold I think 150,000 units. Much cheaper units at that. So people are willing to spend a bit more for a Lexus. I am sure it is for a reason. So your argument is clearly how you feel but not reality.
Lexus is going to re-vamp every sedan by 2007. Future plans:
Car above the LS 430
New LX 470
The next IS will be in coupe, sedan, wagon and convertible forms
A Lexus performance unit to go against AMG and M.
All cars will offer AWD
All cars will offer Hybrids
This has been promised by the GM. He has also stated "we just sold 260,000 Lexus, so we will not alienate those people".
Acura will remain an entry level player but not a luxury car company. Even with a new RL coming, the new GS will offer AWD and hybrid tech. The RL has lost any advantage it would have had.
Well, Lexus is the top selling luxury brand 4 years in a row (264,000 units sold), Acura sold I think 150,000 units. Much cheaper units at that. So people are willing to spend a bit more for a Lexus. I am sure it is for a reason.
So your argument is clearly how you feel but not reality.Lexus is going to re-vamp every sedan by 2007. Future plans:
Car above the LS 430
New LX 470
The next IS will be in coupe, sedan, wagon and convertible forms
A Lexus performance unit to go against AMG and M.
All cars will offer AWD
All cars will offer Hybrids
This has been promised by the GM. He has also stated "we just sold 260,000 Lexus, so we will not alienate those people".
Acura will remain an entry level player but not a luxury car company. Even with a new RL coming, the new GS will offer AWD and hybrid tech. The RL has lost any advantage it would have had.
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I haven't seen the new GS in person, but from photos I'm rather disappointed. The exterior AND interior design do nothing for me, and the engine output of both the V8 and the V6 lags its rivals in the mid-size, peformance segment. I'm sure it'll have top notch materials though; Lexus interior materials just cannot be beat IMO (w/ the exception of the IS300).
I much prefer the look of the Fuga, but I'll reserve judgment until production versions of both cars come out.
I much prefer the look of the Fuga, but I'll reserve judgment until production versions of both cars come out.
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I dong like teh new GS, but have you seen the GX suv?? that thing looks pretty ugly to me, but ive seen about 20 of them already. Here in the Dallas Area acura's dont get as much respect as Lexus, Mercedes, BMW. There are also many, many Porsches around here. In the summertime there is a Porsche at every other stoplight. Why would u spend 50k for a 225HP boxster?... "value" is not the only thing that appeals to buyers...
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03-06-2004, 11:17 AM
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Originally posted by RavenHwk
... Give it a year. Lexus guys are smart will figure out how to better compete with the TL!
Till then, we'll all be driving our TL's and smilin
... Give it a year. Lexus guys are smart will figure out how to better compete with the TL!
Till then, we'll all be driving our TL's and smilin
I think Lexus get lots of sales due to their high quality (which is a good thing!) and name recognition, not their overall designs.
5 seconds after I saw the inside of the 04TL, I was sold. (Tried hard not to let the salesman know it, though!)
Also, let's see ...
TL HP = 270 .............. GS 300 HP = 220
TL TQ = 238 .............. GS 300 TQ = 220
TL WT = 3582 lbs ...... GS 300 WT = 3649 lbs
Are these two cars really in the same performance class? I don't think so.
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Originally posted by VQ35DE
Wait so the "experience" of owning the Lexus GS (let's say) is worth the $10,000-$15,000 premium over the Acura TL?? No thanks. I'd rather get a 2k4 TL w/Navi ($35k) and also buy a 2k4 Honda Civic LX ($15k) for a daily beater.
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Wait so the "experience" of owning the Lexus GS (let's say) is worth the $10,000-$15,000 premium over the Acura TL?? No thanks. I'd rather get a 2k4 TL w/Navi ($35k) and also buy a 2k4 Honda Civic LX ($15k) for a daily beater.
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Interior design is one thing (very subjective), interior quality in terms of materials and fit and finish (a little less subjective) is another.
I have yet to find another brand that comes to Lexus levels in the latter category.
The one place where Toyota/Lexus trails is in engine power. Their engines are quiet and very refined, but always seem to come up a little short compared to the competition in the power department. To this Lexus aficionados say, "Who needs all that power anyway?"
I have yet to find another brand that comes to Lexus levels in the latter category.
The one place where Toyota/Lexus trails is in engine power. Their engines are quiet and very refined, but always seem to come up a little short compared to the competition in the power department. To this Lexus aficionados say, "Who needs all that power anyway?"
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Originally posted by jrock65
To this Lexus aficionados say, "Who needs all that power anyway?"
To this Lexus aficionados say, "Who needs all that power anyway?"
(not to mention Maximas, Altimas, Accord V6s and maybe even Mazda 6s)
03-06-2004, 09:48 PM
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That's true. Besides, how else could GS300 owners appreciate the rear end styling of the new TL....constantly and repeatedly. (not to mention Maximas, Altimas, Accord V6s and maybe even Mazda 6s)
That's true. Besides, how else could GS300 owners appreciate the rear end styling of the new TL....constantly and repeatedly.
(not to mention Maximas, Altimas, Accord V6s and maybe even Mazda 6s)
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Originally posted by żGotJazz?
Are these two cars really in the same performance class? I don't think so.
Are these two cars really in the same performance class? I don't think so.
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