Moises Morales

I recently bought a water pump kit on ebay. Before buying I send a message to the seller and he confirm that the product was authentic. Today I was cheking closely the water pump that I bought on ebay and I notice that the Honda logo looks different from the photo that the seller has in his ebay account also, the Yamada logo is not centralized with the Honda logo. Other thing is that the Yamada logo said YNA, but other genuine product said YTC. Who is the genuine one?🤔 Does anyone have knowledge about this matter?


This is the water pump I bought on ebay


The photo that the seller use in his ebay account


Other water pump with the Yamada logo as YTC
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Yvuru

yeah that honda sign looks off. the pictures show it with a more "bold" text but the one you have doesnt show that. and the metal is not smooth either

generally speaking when the text is off like that its a high chance the product is a knockoff. this is across all industries FYI

not sure if you plan on doing a timing belt job but i bought this kit off amazon and my shop (honda certified techs) praised me for getting these parts

csmeance

looks like a knock off. Go with the AISIN kit and return that one. A real honda part won't have unfinished marks like on the lower area

t-rd

Here is a new OEM one I bought for the next timing belt job, the aluminum casting should be smooth. I only see uneven casting on aftermarket water pumps.

t-rd

By the way, I have my original OEM water pump from the first timing belt job and it says YNA.

Here is a water pump listing on Amazon, being sold by Honda directly, and it shows YNA.

Sadiq786

+1 for Aisin. Just had mine replace with the kit and couldn't be happier. Noticed a more smoother acceleration.

jegan

I was in your position and decided to go with AISIN after some research but decided to dig a bit more to find out what that "YNA" and "YTC" thing are about as
the parts I see on ebay are all "YTC" as well.

I'm pretty sure that "YNA" stands for "Yamada North America" and "YTC" probably stands for "Yamada Tianxing, China" because Yamada has an affiliated company there.

Here is the info from Yamada corp site. https://www.yamada-s.co.jp/english/company/office.html

YAMADA North America, Inc. (YNA) Address Ohio, USA Inquiries Tel: +1-937-462-7111
Fax: +1-937-462-7466 Role North American base for the production of functional parts for automobiles Completed March 29, 1988 URL http://www.yamadanorthamerica.com/
YAMADA SOMBOON Co., Ltd. (YSC) Address Rayong, Thailand Inquiries Tel: +66-38-891-250
Fax: +66-38-891-186 Role Southeast Asian base for the production of functional parts for automobiles and motorcycles Completed November 29, 1994
CHENGDU TIANXING YAMADA AUTO PARTS CO., LTD. (YTC) Address Sichuan, China Inquiries Tel: +86-(0)28-84876350
Fax: +86-(0)28-84879502 Role Chinese base for the production of functional parts for automobiles and motorcycles Completed December 19, 1995 URL http://www.chn-ytc.com
YAMADA R&D CHINA CO., LTD. (YRC) Address Sichuan, China Inquiries Tel: +86-28-84879500
Fax: +86-28-84879502 Role Research and development into functional parts for automobiles and motorcycles Completed April 3, 2006


So is it a fake / knock-off? I am not sure. I think it is perhaps from Yamada YTC division.
The question is "Is it HONDA JAPAN OEM Quality?" Not sure. Maybe? Since it is Yamada, they must be doing Quality Control but who knows?
It would be interesting to see some comparison work if possible.

But the thing is that doing the timing belt and waterpump work takes almost a whole day and usually labour cost is somewhere between $80-130 in Canada.
Stealers quote me straight 7+ hours cost at $130/hr ($800+) while my friend's shop quoted me 5.5 hours work at $90/hr.($500)

YTC parts in CAD are $170 the cheapest I can find on Ebay.
YNA is $260 + shipping. AISIN at Rock Auto is $230 + shipping.

If it was 1 hour labor work, it is safer to spend $60-100 extra for proven products.
These last 100k miles (150-160k km). Spend a bit extra and have a peaceful life for years!

GhostTL09

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$120 Genuine Honda Timing Belt kit. Off Ebay from Honda Dealer. Everything is sealed in plastics.
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MyGuti

ghost link that?!

GhostTL09

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https://rover.ebay.com/rover/0/0/0?m...2F362692425892

GhostTL09

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I offered $120.98 and was accepted

MyGuti

Thanks GhostTL09, I think this may be the cheapest OEM kit available.
I paid like 399 USD a few years back
This has it in original packing, and all the major components needed
Thank you!.

PS: have you installed it yet? Any concerns?

csmeance

that's a seller based in china, not a acura or honda dealer at all.... seems like fake parts..

peter6

Cheaper than Aisin. Either unbelievably good deal or scam.

zeta

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I just received a RockAuto Aisin TKH001 $184.79 (lowest price in cyberland) + $8.99 shipping to my zip - $9.24 5% RA coupon = $184.54!
$.25 less than the advertised $184.79. Not much; however, it's an Aisin that I wanted.

t-rd

Congrats on buying a fake kit above. When the price is too good to be true, it is fake.

- Honda water pump comes in a blue plastic bag, it does not come in a box with the words Genuine Honda on it.
- Honda hydraulic auto tensioner comes in a white box
- Honda timing belt does not come in a bag that says do not bend either, it comes in a plain bag with no wording. I just bought one from my local Honda dealer months ago. I did buy a timing belt off ebay also and I kept that belt for future reference and wrote it with a marker that says 'FAKE' on it.

MyGuti

just because packaging is different doesn't mean the parts are fake.

GhostTL09

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Lmao!!!

GhostTL09

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Just curious as to how your parts are stamped? I mean they went through great legnths for this not to be the real deal. If it can be disproved as OEM I would return in a heartbeat.

csmeance

fake labels, they are missing 3 numbers... the VC#, CP# and JD# should be on the bottom right hand that honda uses for inventory and tracking purposes.... Folks in china produce thousands of fake rolex watches hell they produce fake range rovers! I wouldn't put it past some folks trying to make money. Plus if you click on your link on the seller profile it literally says the guy is based in china. Either you are getting parts for the chinese domestic market or fakes.

csmeance

also the made/assembled is in the wrong area and it looks like the white corners are to square but it could be the angle of the photo in your pics;

this is off a new label from a package ordered 2 months ago:

GhostTL09

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Got it! Retutn label already sent lol

zeta

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The Aisin TKH001 kit came in a white box with large blue Aisin 'A' 's printed on it. Kind of like the kit on the link below.
https://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forum...TKH-002_Timing_

The TB was not enclosed in a plastic bag. It was just set on top of the parts organized within the box. It's a MITSUBOSHI; CD286; MADE IN THAILND. No Honda markings.

The water pump was enclosed in a clear plastic bag. In the area where 'Honda' is shown, in your pic above, it just has AISIN, underscored, than JAPAN. There is a stamp, '9Q19' on the left side near the female pully receptacle. I presume that is a date stamp of some kind? The WP rubber gasket is firmly held in place on the WP.

The tensioner looks completely different from your picture, probably because it is for a 2G CL-S6. It was not boxed and there is a white printed 'AISIN' stamp on the underside of the tensioner.

The 'KOYO' pullies are in plastic, boxed and indicate 'Made in Japan'.

GhostTL09

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Like I said. Fakes can be fakes but here is a picture of an OE timing belt. So is this a fake that is original to someones Honda?


Over years things will be manufactured differently or from a different supplier. However there is no distinction between what came in my kit and that belt.

t-rd

My 2 cents on fake Honda parts. I purchased this fake "Genuine Honda" thermostat for $19, the OEM one is $40. Real (beefy one) on the left, and fake on the right. They are VERY GOOD at making fake labels. If you want a peace of mind and save money, get parts from a Honda, instead of an Acura dealer. You can get all OEM parts for between $300 to $350 so in reality you are saving just $200 by purchasing iffy parts from ebay. Sometimes you do not find out that the part is from China until you purchase it, since they post the ebay auction with location from somewhere USA.

I suggest you return all that junk and buy OEM or least buy Aisin which is just $189 or $200 something after tax.