ONAGER

this link sould blow your skirt up if your a toyota lover.... not saying any car or builder is perfect. but this shows toyotas have had some issue concerning the engines...


http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=&did=566

ONAGER

http://www.autosafety.org/article.php?scid=122&did=959

similar issues for vw and crysler check it out...

rets

Toyota Oil Sludge

Faced with a consumer revolt over low mileage engine failures
caused by oil sludge buildup, Toyota has begun
to notify 3.3 million owners of 1997-2002 Toyota and Lexus vehicles
with 3.0-liter IMZ V-6 engines and all 1997-2001 Toyota vehicles with
5SFE 2.2-liter 4-cylinder engines that it will cover the cost of sludge-related
repairs for eight years from date of initial sale.

Whether this will satisfy the thousands of Toyota and Lexus owners who
have already suffered engine failure remains to be seen because Toyota's
Special Policy falls short of an express warranty. Toyota modified V-6
engines made after July 2001 but has not recalled the earlier engines.
The 2.2L 4-cylinder has been dropped.

CAS urges Toyota and Lexus owners with engine problems to file
a complaint. CAS believes Toyota should provide an express warranty
of at least 10 years/120,000 miles, whichever comes later, on the engines
in the affected models.

ONAGER

all though true it is off topic, and it should have been posted else where. i wanted people to see that the all mighty toyota has had issues as well. people bash honda all day long in our forum, some compare it with the es300 series i just wanted to point out that they have flaws too. in this case major flaws.

honda steped up with there transmission issue and fixed the problem. all toyota is doing is extending the warrenty if something does happen... what about when the warrenty runs out? what if it causes an accident? the least i can say is honda found out there was an issue and has taken a step towards fixing it... toyota is puting it on the back burner

dsc888

As the former owner of a 97 Camry V6, I have to say that this issue is probably Toyota's worse PR nightmare. For the record, my Camry still purrs like a kitten. It was well cared for with oil changes every 5,000 miles with OEM filters. I sold it to my buddy at 98K and it still runs very well.

The issue, for those who don't know, came about after Toyota engineers narrowed the coolant galleys to assist with quicker engine warm up which would decrease start up emissions. However, they narrowed the coolant passages too much and this resulted in the sludge issue. This was compounded by some owners who neglected doing their oil changes (read leased vehicles).

dsc888

pbm317

This is an old issue... but Toyota has been very good about repairing cars that have sludge even when maintained properly. So I think they've handled it well.

EnigmaofTL

In my personal experience, all of our Honda and Toyota vehicles have been extremely reliable.

mickey3c

Some people swear by the cars and some swear at them.

The 3.2 has never made ward's 10 best the 3.0 in a hybrid configuration and the 3.5 has. I believe the 3.2 is a great engine, except for that fact that they are probably pushing the limits on it with the upped compressed etc. But just the same, a great engine. I know some people here will say they are not.. but they are... the power ratings per liter are pretty good and only better on the S2000 and maybe a couple of other cars.

Toyota has never been as good with brakes as my acuras have. Yet transmissions in the hondas have never been as good as my toyotas have. My hondas have been harder on tires, but then they are lower profile tires which do wear more often with tread wear ratings at or below 300. I have gotten 60K miles out of a set on my toyota camryv6 and 25K out of my TL. A combination of driving style, road conditions, tire manufacturer, and H vs. V ratings.

Mileage has always been in the mid 20s with any car I have owned in the last 20 years. It was first a turbo 4 in the 80s which got decent mileage and performance. The there was the 2.5 V6 which got decent mileage and performance.. then the 3.2

The mileage numbers creeped up slightly as the power went from 146, 153, 225, 260, 270.

A testament to good engineering. The one thing has always been true, the more a producted is pushed to the envelope, the more often parts will wear out sooner or break. Fact of life. The other aspect is that performance parts cost more and that to keep costs down, any car maker tries to insist that parts manufacturers wring out as much cost as they can. In many cases they try to get them lowered from year to year. Therefore, they redesign products and move plants to reduce material and labor costs. This can introduce another cost, called reliability. My toyota needed pads and rotors every 45,000 miles.

So when you go out and get the car with the most features for the lowest cost, be aware that this comes into play and that it could impact your experience with the product.

EZZ

If you look at all quality and reliability ratings of every major reputable publisher, Lexus is absolutely dominant overall. I believe it has to do with a certain plant in Japan that most Lexus come from. Honda does very well with the Accords and Civics but surprisingly, the TL only comes in at average reliability (Consumer Reports). To be fair, most of the true sport sedans are only average/above average reliability due to the complexity of the car's tuning. However, I believe the IS300 is the most reliable car that money can buy.

cM3go

we have a 1997 Camry 4 cylinder and it works just fine

F23A4

Thank you. (very old news)

leeherman

Change your oil regularly. This applies to ANY car.

My 30,000 mile Toyota Solara V6 is just fine. I change my oil every 3,000 miles or so. I may switch to synthetic and up the change intervals, but not by much.

Regards,

Yoda117

I come from a Toyota family (yes, I am a great disappointment to them). What we have seen is that up until the introduction of the 3.5L V6, the best engine that they offered (in a car) was the 4 cyl.

BTW: drove the new V6 from Toyota... no match to the Honda/Acura (now that this thing is breaking in the engine is really kick-a$$)

vishnus11

where are u getting the 146hp and 153hp from. The 225, 260, and 270, are the the TL-P, TL-S, and 3g TL respectively, but im not sure about the others. The 1G2.5 had 176hp, and the 1G 3.2 had 200hp

About the sludge problem - just goes to sure that everybody has problems. Being an acura forum, we often here about tranny issues, but im sure if one visited toyota/lexus forums, you would find owners complaining about the sludge problems too.

vtecracer

I think Toyota has also made a recall on 2004 RX330's. There have been several reports of brake failure under heavy breaking or something of the sort.

Repecat

[QUOTE=Yoda117]I come from a Toyota family (yes, I am a great disappointment to them). What we have seen is that up until the introduction of the 3.5L V6, the best engine that they offered (in a car) was the 4 cyl.

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Oh, I'm not so sure of that. I think that the 3.0 litre inline 6 that I had in my 1989 Cressida was the quietest, smoothest engine I have ever owned. It had 200 BHP and gobs of torque. Seems like that engine was used in other applications too, but my memory is hazy on that.

leeherman

I've had three Toyotas. My '85 Celica with the 22-RE 2.4l 4, my '93 Camry with the 3.0l V6 (iron block, alum. heads, 185hp), and my '99 Solara w/ 3.0l V6 (all aluminum, 200hp).

The 22-RE was a great engine. Not terribly powerful (115hp), but very competitive for its time, and very torquey. The '93's V6 was as smooth and powerful when I sold it at 103K miles as when I bought it. It needed a bit more bottom end, but it was more than adequate. The '99's V6 is a GREAT engine, smooth, powerful across the rev range, and reliable as the other Toyotas I owned.

While the TLs engine has a bit of displacement and power on my Toyota V6s, I wouldn't call it markedly superior. It's got the advantage of time and technology over both the Toyota V6s I owned. It's also bolted to a significantly more expensive car than either of my Toyotas. Comparing to my mom's '98 Accord V6, the '93 was *slightly* inferior in terms of overall performance and refinement, and the '99 is superior in both matters (in my humble opinion, of course).

Or, simply put, Toyota makes some GREAT V6 engines.

Regards,

A-TLvic882

As you see my signature, I use to have T-Celica 80 , 4MT , RWD. Engine was a great, I didn't nave any problems. I sold it to my frend with AC runing perfect.
And my wife's 1998(bought in december97) Camry 4 cylinder works just fine.
I works on all my cars by myself, except first oil change on TL(first and last free oil change on dealership -- very bad experience).




A-TL 04 , SSM/Eb , 6MT , N/Nav
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A-GSR 95 , stock , 5MT
T-Celica 80 , 4MT , RWD
ZAZ-Tavria 88 , 5MT