Ok so I understand that these are two different types of cars, but what I want to know is if the TL is capable of running with a RX8. What mods outside of a Turbo and SC would make it more competitive or even push the TL out ahead of the RX8. Right now I have the ATLP Base, J-Pipe and Race Pipe as well as an Injen CAI.

I was thinking a UR Crank Pulley to increase quickness off the line as well as some weight reduction. Is anyone running Nitrous?

Any feedback from the awesome Acurazine community would be great. Thanks.

 

The rx8 is far superior in the twisties, but the TL will destroy it in acceleration so it just depends on the amount of corners and how much straight you have between them. So depending on the course a stock TL will compete with the rx8. very tight course goes to the rx, open course goes to the TL

 

Your engine will last past 20,000 miles. WIN.

 

^^ lol that is tooo funny.

tl>rx8, power doesn't mean squat if it isn't reliable.

 

Wouldn't even be close unless the Mazda has some serious mods of its own.

 

LOL....

but in reality the rx-8 rotary engine is wicked quick....i took her for a test drive and had some fun with it....

luckily it didnt break on me LOL

 

^^ yeah i bet the high reving rotary engine is amazing to drive don't get me wrong, just don't expect to push it too hard without spend some REAL dough on it.

 

Well an RX8 might outrun you for a few laps. But then you gotta pull it off and rebuild the wankle engine...

But in all seriousness it all depends on what kind of race. A TL should outrun it in a straight line. or atleast be close. With your mods I think you could handle one. On a super twisty course or road the RX8 might win because its light and quick. So you might rather invest in good suspension upgrades if you want to run with one on some twists.

 

With those mods, you should rip an RX-8 in a straight line. Don't bother with corners. haha. The 8's aren't built for straight lines. They're like S2000's; high revving motor, nimble car = amazing track car.

 

thats true....what i meant to say is....if the OP is racing an RX-8....he might get his butt kicked (on a track).....but again he has quite a few supporting mods....but still i think he will get owned by a car length on the streets...

 

Really? I didn't think RX-8's were capable of beating a TL in a straight line. I mean, I know the base 5at is a high 14/low 15 second car but I always and heard and believed that RX-8's were slow as well. Hmm..my bad.

 

A properly driven stock 6MT RX-8 should be able to run a high 14 with a perfect high RPM launch. From a roll though the TL will pull due to its low end torque that the RX-8 lacks.

 

I drove a RX8 and I found that car to be much slower to my TL. Both cars 2005 and both cars manual. I like the way they look, but I don't think I would ever buy one

 

i think the Rx-8's comes in 2 variants....the regular one and the 30th anniversary rotary engine.....the regular one is tad bit slower than the TL....but the rotary one sure does have a lot more ooomph factor.....

now only if they were reliable

 

you guys need to stop comparing FWD vs. RWD on 1/4 mile runs....a 6mt TL is capable of running neck to neck with a mid 13 sec car off a low speed roll (2nd gear).... just because a FWD car like our TL doesnt do so great in 1/4 mile, doesn't mean it ain't quick. The front wheel drive platform limits its launch capabilities...you can't get off the line at high rpm because of excessive wheel spin, and you can't get off the line at low rpm because there isn't enough power. On a rwd, you can launch them high, there will be wheel spin, but you'll take off.

Roll a FWD and everything changes. I speak from experience, after having raced countless G35s, 350Zs, E46 M3s etc.

Nothing ticks me off about cars more than when I hear "but it runs so so so 1/4 mile"...really, who cares...1/4 isn't the only type of race, and in fact it isn't the right race to compare 2 completely different platforms when one has the edge BY FAR. 2 equally powered cars, with identical gear ratios, identical weight, identical tires, identical WHP, (though the rwd should have a bigger loss, but for arguments sake, lets say they both put down same WHP)
#1-FWD, #2-RWD...RWD is going to win every single time off the line...
Start them from a 20-30 mph roll, and they're going to be dead even (assuming same drivers)

 

Uhm, what Opel said

 

the RX8 requires a quart of oil every tank. thats too mch for me

 

 

i knew someone that had one; and couldn't ever really drive it too much cuz he was broke and didn't have money to buy oil...

 

The torqueless wonder is not going to run next to even a decently modded 5AT TL.

As said numerous times, the RX-8 is an amazing handling car, there's no doubt. But it doesn't have the "oomph" from the factory to handle anything on highway roll.

 

It would be a straight line. I agree with the oomph factor but I wasn't sure how much the different weights would effect the race. To me my TL feels like it has more oomph than my dads Mercedes C300, but that could just be me loving my TL

 

Again, you'll smoke the RX8 and your dads C300 for that matter.

 

Amen. Trust us when we say you got this. C300's are nice cars but they're not that fast. I remember one guy still had his dealer plates on and he was running fly-by's on me. Long story short, we lined up at 55. 3 honks and the moment I pulled a car length I shut down.

Might be different from a dig, who knows.

 

you can walk over C300 and E350 because of the sheer weight they carry....c350 would be close and e550 would take the TL (i think)....lets not talk about AMG's....

 

My money would be on a E350 taking out a TL 5AT. They run mid-high 14's stock. That 7AT really helps!

 

v6 engine and that car weighs a lot more than the TL....my money would be on the TL....

e500/e550 on the other hand has a more powerful v8....

again quit talking about 1/4 mile times....dude that is not the only type of race....have you raced an e350 on the streets ? have you driven one ?

i had to floor the gas pedal for that thing to move....

 

Why would I quit talking 1/4 mile times? The E350 is faster in the 1/4 mile than a TL 5AT stock for stock. The curb weight of a E350 is 3740lbs vs the TL at 3575lbs. Not much of a difference. The Benz has a 7AT vs the 5AT in the TL. The Benz has A LOT more torque at 258ft lbs vs the TL at 232ft lbs. 268HP vs 258HP. The 2 extra gears and more torque makes up for the neglagable weight difference.

 

I love RX-8's and I've given some serious thought to buying one. They are reliable if maintained properly.

 

well then i guess am a good driver....i did race and win against an e350....:rooleyes:

 

B/c as IHC & Opel have numerously pointed out, QTR mile times are pointless when 80% of this forum are doing their runs from a roll, where the TL runs a lot better than from a dig.

 

Cry me a river. You guys act like a 14 second snail of a car is so impossible to launch with FWD. Suck it up and learn how to drive, or buy some D/R's. You guys think RWD cars don't have traction issues? All it takes is an extra 75 or so whp in a comparable weight RWD to create similar traction problems. And that's not even bringing torque into the mix.

Imagine if all the guys in the 60's-70's, driving LS6 Chevelles and Hemi Cudas were a bunch of pansy ricers and never put real tires on their cars.

OH MY GAWD, DUDE.....MY CAR IS INCINERATING MY BIAS PLY TIRES AND I'M GETTING SIDEWAYS AT 75 MPH. WE NEED TO RUN FROM 90-120!


YO, DUDE.....SOUNDS GOOD! WE'LL GO ON THE THIRD HONK!

 

FWD vs. RWD, just compare their 1/4 mile Trap speeds...that should give you some conclusions. If RWD is trapping at 103 mph in 13.8 sec, and a FWD is trapping at 102 in 14.0 secs, what is that telling you?
Seriously, this debate can go on forever, since everyone has different views and opinions, but there's only one way to look at it.

Whoever said, TIRES TIRES TIRES...yes sure, like i mentioned before, equip both FWD and RWD cars with identical tires (drags for all i care), same power and weight and everything, and the RWD is going to bounce every time, no matter if they have 300 hp, or 1000 hp. It's just how physics work.

 

200 lbs is not much of a difference to you? its actually a big enough difference. We're talking in 10th of seconds here, not minutes.
The torque difference isn't much, just about 20 lbs..and the HP is only 10.
The 7 speed tranny (MB has much better AT's anyway) is somewhat of an advantage. I find the AT in the TL weak after 2nd gear.

I don't think anyone is saying that it's hard or impossible to launch the TL and get 14s. I can do that all day...what's being said is that, another car with the same power as the TL, on street tires but RWD platform, would break 13's.

RWD cars would have issues as well with added power or whatever the case you speak of may be, but in a FWD world, that issue will always be much worse. And let's not bring comparable weight into it, bcs if that played such a critical role, then FWD would take off every time, being that they're mainly front heavy, and the RWD have less weight on their drive wheels...it ain't the case, its the physics, the platform that plays the crucial role.

Bottom line is, if a 6MT TL was RWD, and everything else remaining the same, it would easily be into 13s all day, every day

 

you mean 6mt tl-s? Btw from every track test ive seen The tl-s is pretty nuts in the corners.

 

Its actually 165lbs. What I was trying to say is that with 2 more gears and 20+ lbs ft of torque more with a much fatter powerband due to the bigger displacement the benz more than compensates for the 165lb difference.

 

Most people do 1/4 mile drag races, not roll races. Even on this forum. The TL 5AT does do better from a roll. The TL 6MT, TL-S auto and 6MT all do well from a dig.

 

I highly doubt that considering that a large number of these threads are made based on street encounters & what if's, rather than how they ran at the strip.

 

I can refrase it for you if you like. Most people do DIG races as opposed to roll races. I wasn't necessarily referring to the strip. Just a 1/4 mile in general since most races that I have read on here stop around 80-100mph.

 

Ive never launched the TL against another car! ever...
at the track yes, few times, but against time. As far as street races, never.
And your statement, is just a very broad statement, bcs I can say that 100% of the people that I've seen race, and been involved in, have been roll races, mainly on the highway. That includes every platform. Even RWD vs. RWD, and not simply to favor FWD platform

Either way, this is a pointless argument.

 

Thank you Opel...someone finally agrees with me...