TL vs Maxima, not G35
04-06-2004, 10:35 PM
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Originally Posted by TheNip73
Nissan is smokin hot right now. Also, where do you get their cars are plagued with issues? I know they aren't Honda or Toyota, but to be honest, I was more pleased with my 98 Maxima build quality that my 04 TL build quality. Nissan is catching up, and while they haven't done it yet, they are gaining ground. French owned or not, business is about making money, and thats what Nissan is doing. Also, maybe I should downtalk the TL as sharing platforms with the Accord. Does that seem fair? Also, the Maxima is a sixth generation name. While the TL is a third generation name, it is likely a derivative of a previous model renamed and relaunched as part of a marketing or corporate restructing process. Would you say a chevy impala today is an xxx generation of the impalas of ages ago? I really don't understand your post.
04-06-2004, 10:55 PM
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Re-Nissan vs. Mighty Acura
Originally Posted by TheNip73
Nissan is smokin hot right now.
Originally Posted by TheNip73
Also, where do you get their cars are plagued with issues?
Originally Posted by TheNip73
I was more pleased with my 98 Maxima build quality that my 04 TL build quality.
Originally Posted by TheNip73
Nissan is catching up, and while they haven't done it yet, they are gaining ground.
Originally Posted by TheNip73
Also, maybe I should downtalk the TL as sharing platforms with the Accord.
Originally Posted by TheNip73
While the TL is a third generation name, it is likely a derivative of a previous model renamed and relaunched as part of a marketing or corporate restructing process.
Originally Posted by TheNip73
Would you say a chevy impala today is an xxx generation of the impalas of ages ago?
Originally Posted by TheNip73
I really don't understand your post.
04-06-2004, 11:00 PM
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Originally Posted by EZZ
Its a common misconception that Nissan was inferior to Honda and Toyota in terms of reliability. They were all pretty much the same. The Nissan Maxima (1995-1999) was also more trouble free than either v6 versions of the Honda Accord and Toyota Camry. I'm sure the Accord was more reliable than some of Nissan's other offerings like the Altima. My point is that both manufacturer's had reliable cars that were waay higher than the other manufacturers. BTW, I've had a 2 Toyotas, 1 Honda, and a Nissan and all were very reliable vehicles.
04-06-2004, 11:38 PM
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Originally Posted by GO_TL
And you would be well within your rights too...for any year before 2004. Read the specs for the 2004 Accord and the 2004 TL. The TL now has its own identity. It is no longer a derivitive of the Accord.
Originally Posted by GO_TL
The Impala was reintroduced in 1994. Totally different than making the vehicle consecutively from 1981-2004. So maybe YOU would say that but not me.
Maybe I'm a freak? Who knows.
Also, in terms of saying Nissan is smoking hot, I was reffering to their sales numbers, not styling. Looking at thier numbers their sales are steadily on the increase, especially compared to previous years nissan sales.
I'm done. Time to get the thread back on topic.
04-07-2004, 12:11 AM
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Topic? What topic?
Another problem that steered me away from the Maxima this time (I've had two flawless examples) is that they are now made in Smyrna, TN instead of Japan. My previous ones were Japanese built and impeccable quality.
Frankly, it bothers me that the TL is made in Marysville in the same factory, I believe, as the Honda Accord (or is it right next door?). With the collapse of the US supremacy in car building and the falling quality of Detroit iron, I and a bunch of other apparently, don't trust American quality in autos.
The only drawbacks to the Maxima today (other than its naiscent albatross), is it's radical form, ugly grille, and fugly interior. I don't question it's mechanical quality or its performance credentials. I rented one recently and its accelleration was scary-fast. Much quicker than a TL feels (seat of the pants). Of course, it has a double overhead cam aluminum engine that is the darling of the trade. It's also bullet-proof. Driving the Maxima at 10/10ths was a lot like riding the bull at Lefty's Roadhouse. You pay your money and hang on with both hands. Can you say "torque steer"?
I nailed it on a damp night in Orlando and it smoked the tires all the way through first gear (automatic), then did it again in second. Wooohooo! And that was the plain Jane rental unit base SE. Even comes with 18" wheels and performance tires.
On paper, the TL has five more HP. But tell that to my @$$!
In the end, beauty won out over braun. I do consider them peers, however you want to classify them. Not that they're equal. They're comparable.
Frankly, it bothers me that the TL is made in Marysville in the same factory, I believe, as the Honda Accord (or is it right next door?). With the collapse of the US supremacy in car building and the falling quality of Detroit iron, I and a bunch of other apparently, don't trust American quality in autos.
The only drawbacks to the Maxima today (other than its naiscent albatross), is it's radical form, ugly grille, and fugly interior. I don't question it's mechanical quality or its performance credentials. I rented one recently and its accelleration was scary-fast. Much quicker than a TL feels (seat of the pants). Of course, it has a double overhead cam aluminum engine that is the darling of the trade. It's also bullet-proof. Driving the Maxima at 10/10ths was a lot like riding the bull at Lefty's Roadhouse. You pay your money and hang on with both hands. Can you say "torque steer"?
I nailed it on a damp night in Orlando and it smoked the tires all the way through first gear (automatic), then did it again in second. Wooohooo! And that was the plain Jane rental unit base SE. Even comes with 18" wheels and performance tires.
On paper, the TL has five more HP. But tell that to my @$$!
In the end, beauty won out over braun. I do consider them peers, however you want to classify them. Not that they're equal. They're comparable.
04-07-2004, 01:01 AM
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Definately agree the TL is better than the Max. But the Max and the G do not share the same platform. The Max and Altima share platforms. The G, which is really a Skyline 350GT in Japan, shares its platform with the FX and 350Z.
I found it strange that if you option out the Max, it comes to 38k. I thought that was crazy. I'd rather get a G35 Coupe or M35 sedan if I'm going to be paying that much.
I found it strange that if you option out the Max, it comes to 38k. I thought that was crazy. I'd rather get a G35 Coupe or M35 sedan if I'm going to be paying that much.
04-07-2004, 02:28 AM
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Originally Posted by GO_TL
1994-1995 Accords had some bad transmission problems.
04-07-2004, 08:01 AM
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Umm the new Maxima is much LARGER overall than the Altima. If you really think they are the same size, you must be smoking something. lol The same engine is in almost all of Nissans cars.
Originally Posted by xpditor42
The Altima and the Maxima are the SAME size. The Maxima is built on the Altima platform. In a couple interior dimensions, the Altima is actually larger. In a few exterior dimensions, the Max might have an inch or so advantage but basically- they're the same car. They even offer the same engine in the V6 although you can get a 4 in the Altima but not the Max.
The Altima is lighter and faster and, IMHO, better looking on the outside.
You can argue that the TL, as the 2nd best Honda sedan should be compared with the M45 Infiniti and the GS400 as the 2nd tier offerings for both Nissan and Toyota. But <blush>, it just doesn't compare well with those two.
Just looking at the specs, though. You would want to compare the TL with a V6 Altima and a ES300. They seem more reasonable peers on paper.
OK, flamers. Bring it on!
The Altima is lighter and faster and, IMHO, better looking on the outside.
You can argue that the TL, as the 2nd best Honda sedan should be compared with the M45 Infiniti and the GS400 as the 2nd tier offerings for both Nissan and Toyota. But <blush>, it just doesn't compare well with those two.
Just looking at the specs, though. You would want to compare the TL with a V6 Altima and a ES300. They seem more reasonable peers on paper.
OK, flamers. Bring it on!
04-07-2004, 08:03 AM
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Sorry but you are wrong on a few things. The Stanza was replaced with the Altima. It was not a higher end Sentra. It was a Altima. The French bought Nissan in 2000-2001.
Originally Posted by GO_TL
Smoking hot? I don't think so. Maybe if you factor in the Infiniti line you could make the case for smoldering but not smoking.
From the many G35 owners that hangout / post in this forum. :lol2:
Sounds like you should have bought amother Maxima but you didn't. I wonder why? 1998 was the last production year before the French bought a large chunk of Nissan, right?
Agreed. The G35 is a fine vehicle. The Nissan Titan is a very impressive truck that should give the Ford F-150 a run for its money.
And you would be well within your rights too...for any year before 2004. Read the specs for the 2004 Accord and the 2004 TL. The TL now has its own identity. It is no longer a derivitive of the Accord.
Nope. You must be talking about the Sentra-Stanza or something like that. The Stanza was nothing more than a higher-end version of the Sentra. I think restructuring is what happens when you run out of dough and a french company buys you out.
The Impala was reintroduced in 1994. Totally different than making the vehicle consecutively from 1981-2004. So maybe YOU would say that but not me.
Maybe it's not for you to understand.
From the many G35 owners that hangout / post in this forum. :lol2:
Sounds like you should have bought amother Maxima but you didn't. I wonder why? 1998 was the last production year before the French bought a large chunk of Nissan, right?
Agreed. The G35 is a fine vehicle. The Nissan Titan is a very impressive truck that should give the Ford F-150 a run for its money.
And you would be well within your rights too...for any year before 2004. Read the specs for the 2004 Accord and the 2004 TL. The TL now has its own identity. It is no longer a derivitive of the Accord.
Nope. You must be talking about the Sentra-Stanza or something like that. The Stanza was nothing more than a higher-end version of the Sentra. I think restructuring is what happens when you run out of dough and a french company buys you out.
The Impala was reintroduced in 1994. Totally different than making the vehicle consecutively from 1981-2004. So maybe YOU would say that but not me.
Maybe it's not for you to understand.
04-07-2004, 08:47 PM
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Beg to differ on that point. All these years later and the 94-95's STILL have the best reliability ratings of the 90-2002 Accords. :toothless
04-07-2004, 10:23 PM
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GO TL, Nissan is on such a roll right now, it's not even funny. They TOTALLY turned things around with no end in sight. SOme new great products coming out from them, like the Nissan of old.
04-08-2004, 12:11 AM
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from the "what were we typing" department...
Originally Posted by TL_6SPD
Sorry but you are wrong on a few things. The Stanza was replaced with the Altima. It was not a higher end Sentra. It was a Altima. The French bought Nissan in 2000-2001.
(from nissanusa.com) March 26, 1999, Nissan and Renault sign a global partnership agreement allowing both companies to take advantage of their respective strengths and expertise.
I'm pretty sure the Stanza was badged as a Stanza/Sentra for at least one year because my best friend in high school. That was a while back so anythings possible. My point was the compact stanza was a step up from the sub-compact sentra, and they did share some things in common with each other, not that it was a higher end version. Poor choice of words on my part. :banghead:
04-08-2004, 12:23 AM
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Originally Posted by 1SICKLEX
GO TL, Nissan is on such a roll right now, it's not even funny. They TOTALLY turned things around with no end in sight. SOme new great products coming out from them, like the Nissan of old.
04-08-2004, 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by GO_TL
Looks more like a couple to me BUT.....
(from nissanusa.com) March 26, 1999, Nissan and Renault sign a global partnership agreement allowing both companies to take advantage of their respective strengths and expertise.
I'm pretty sure the Stanza was badged as a Stanza/Sentra for at least one year because my best friend in high school. That was a while back so anythings possible. My point was the compact stanza was a step up from the sub-compact sentra, and they did share some things in common with each other, not that it was a higher end version. Poor choice of words on my part. :banghead:
(from nissanusa.com) March 26, 1999, Nissan and Renault sign a global partnership agreement allowing both companies to take advantage of their respective strengths and expertise.
I'm pretty sure the Stanza was badged as a Stanza/Sentra for at least one year because my best friend in high school. That was a while back so anythings possible. My point was the compact stanza was a step up from the sub-compact sentra, and they did share some things in common with each other, not that it was a higher end version. Poor choice of words on my part. :banghead:
04-08-2004, 08:02 AM
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We own both the '04 Maxima SL and the '04 TL. IMHO both cars are good. I do like my TL for comfort and especially the stereo but the Maxima is a comfortable car on long trips. We took it to Atlanta from Long Island and avg. 29-30 mpg doing 70+ mph.
The interior of the TL is much nicer but comfort wise the are comparable. The Maxima has some features that the TL doesn't such as a steering wheel that moves out of the way when you leave the car and a power telescoping steering wheel. The compass in the mirror is a nice touch too. As I said, the stereo in the TL and the interior are much nicer. Time will tell which car will be a better buy. I didn't pay MSRP,but under that.
The 350Z I traded for the TL is another story and in fact does share a lot of the features of the G35's including the platform.
The interior of the TL is much nicer but comfort wise the are comparable. The Maxima has some features that the TL doesn't such as a steering wheel that moves out of the way when you leave the car and a power telescoping steering wheel. The compass in the mirror is a nice touch too. As I said, the stereo in the TL and the interior are much nicer. Time will tell which car will be a better buy. I didn't pay MSRP,but under that.
The 350Z I traded for the TL is another story and in fact does share a lot of the features of the G35's including the platform.
10-29-2011, 03:36 PM
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I've never seen your shoes, however, the platform dictates a lot of similarities between vehicles. Many of the engineering decisions made on design and function of the vehicle is based on a certain platform. It reduces design time and cost and is mandated by most OEM's.
10-29-2011, 04:56 PM
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i did this comparison when i was shopping for the TL. I was actually considering a 2002 6spd Maxima SE with leather. One of my favorite maximas. Powerwise the maxima feels faster. I couldnt get past the bad mpg you get with the maxima. My dad has a g35 and you get like 18-20mpg. the maxima is sportier but the interior is way nicer on the TL.
10-29-2011, 10:33 PM
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in my head, im thinkin man they are talking about alot of 98-03 cars lmao
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10-30-2011, 05:56 PM
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i did this comparison when i was shopping for the TL. I was actually considering a 2002 6spd Maxima SE with leather. One of my favorite maximas. Powerwise the maxima feels faster. I couldnt get past the bad mpg you get with the maxima. My dad has a g35 and you get like 18-20mpg. the maxima is sportier but the interior is way nicer on the TL.
10-31-2011, 09:15 AM
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Scottwax! Another orger on Azine! (NCSU_MAX), just changed my name here. I recently sold my 98 w/ VQ35 and SER HLSD 6 swap.. I definitely miss it sometimes. I love my 04 6spd TL, of course its much nice on the interior but my maxima would walk all over this car power wise. With a good tune that car would have easily broken 12s. IMO Acura makes a much nice car interior wise but I much prefer the power curve of the VQ. But for where Im at in life, going to grad school, I needed something unmodded, reliable, nice and with the decent power and I gotta say the TL has been great!
10-31-2011, 12:03 PM
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10-31-2011, 03:14 PM
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Scottwax! Another orger on Azine! (NCSU_MAX), just changed my name here. I recently sold my 98 w/ VQ35 and SER HLSD 6 swap.. I definitely miss it sometimes. I love my 04 6spd TL, of course its much nice on the interior but my maxima would walk all over this car power wise. With a good tune that car would have easily broken 12s. IMO Acura makes a much nice car interior wise but I much prefer the power curve of the VQ. But for where Im at in life, going to grad school, I needed something unmodded, reliable, nice and with the decent power and I gotta say the TL has been great!
10-31-2011, 05:01 PM
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I've never seen your shoes, however, the platform dictates a lot of similarities between vehicles. Many of the engineering decisions made on design and function of the vehicle is based on a certain platform. It reduces design time and cost and is mandated by most OEM's.
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10-31-2011, 07:11 PM
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Nissan is garbage all around. Knock sensors, transmission problems, emissions issues, and crappy interiors, crappy suspension on their SUVs....GTFO
Honda>Nissan
Acura>Infiniti
That being said,
Lexus>Acura
Toyota>Honda
Honda>Nissan
Acura>Infiniti
That being said,
Lexus>Acura
Toyota>Honda
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10-31-2011, 07:43 PM
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while i wont disagree with most of the above the VQ is a beast of a motor. plus the auto TLs have had TONS of tranny problems.
If I wanted a great DD I would go Honda/Acura
If I wanted performance.. Nissan hands down.. but only if German sedans werent thrown in the mix
If I wanted a great DD I would go Honda/Acura
If I wanted performance.. Nissan hands down.. but only if German sedans werent thrown in the mix
10-31-2011, 08:38 PM
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I've never seen your shoes, however, the platform dictates a lot of similarities between vehicles. Many of the engineering decisions made on design and function of the vehicle is based on a certain platform. It reduces design time and cost and is mandated by most OEM's.
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