All help...opinions... thoughts...ideas are greatly appreciated!!

Let me start off, i really enjoy the TL as i had a 04 5AT WDP and upgraded to a 08 NBP TL-S. Bought brand new late 08 with 6 miles on it. I wont go into what i like about it as the bad has totally out done it

On to my Rant/Problems...lets keep in mind the car only has 24K on it

Since i have owned the car, these are the problems i have had and taken to the dealership
1.Side skirt falling off
2.Back bumper clips just breaking
3.Navigation bad (new one installed)
4.Rear lip spoiler adhesive tape coming out from under it
5.E-brake not holding car (had to adjust it)
6.3rd cylinder misfire
7.5th cylinder misfire
8.Emission sensor failure P07xx
9.Car would not engage vtec......oil too low just went missing??? (i check regularly on this as i take my car to FL often... that's where most miles were done
10.Premature leather wear (had to redo leather passenger seat)
11.Right mirror clicking not moving down while backing up
12.Front chrome piece on hood chipping/pealing
13.Side windshield "gray cover/protector" coming off
14.Leather boot on the 6spd wont stay clipped in
15.Center speaker blows
16.Right tweeter cover never stays in.....
17.Right window "AUTO" stopped working
18. wouldn't doubt i was leaving more out but as of now that's all i can think of.

Now i am not dogging Acura nor the TL in any way.. seems i just got a Monday or Friday production car lol

I will give to the dealership in ATL much do credit for all the time they have put in fixing this car without any hesitation. I received a loaner every time...

Has gotten really aggravating to keep using my gas and time to take the car to the dealership to have these problems fixed..

Is there anything i can do to have them take this car back??
Pay for all the time and gas i have put into getting this TL the way it should have been when it was made??

 

Has anything occured multiple times that would classify the car as a "lemon"? Other than that, I would suggest talking to the manager/owner of the Acura dealership and express your concerns and issues. Tell them how dissatisfied you are with the car and that you may not consider buying another Acura after this.

Keep your cool and just talk to them. Maybe they will buy it back for what you paid, or they may do nothing and just keep fixing the problems.

Goodluck with everything

 

No i have kept cool this whole time... just when i leave the dealership or on the way is when the anger sets in...

I will have a talk with them Sat as i will be taking it back in for the 5th cylinder misfire.

This will be the 3rd instance on a motor problem... not sure if that is the 3 or it has to be the EXACT 3

 

Damn dude sorry to hear. check out this link for the lemon law in your region.
http://ocp.georgia.gov/portal/site/O...tfmt=default#4

When did you have most of the work done? looks like in order for it to fall under the "lemon" category it has to have happened within 12,000 miles or one year...

What is the Lemon Law rights period?
The Lemon Law rights period is the period ending one year from the date
you took delivery of the vehicle, or after the first 12,000 miles of your use—whichever occurs first.

In order for a defect or condition to be covered, you must
establish that the initial repair attempt took place within the
Lemon Law rights period

Hope this helps.

 

damn sorry to hear... =\ the car was practically new too.. could the mechanical issues be from driving habits? (idk just a thought) or improper break-in?

 

I went through the Lemon Law motions with a brand new VW GTI last year here in Arizona and it really is not a tough road after all is said and done. VW could not fix the problem even after taking it to two dealers and their warranty guides you through dealing with the BBB in your area. BBB was very understanding and the meeting with VW and myself was conducted with an arbitrator. He was not a car specialist but a person who listens to both sides and looks at documents. Bottom line if you go to arbitration have copies of everything and put it in order so the arbitrator can read and understand your aggravation with the car. Stay cool and respectful and in my case they gave me every dime back except for the mileage factor which is based on a cost per mile of the miles I put on the new car.

 

Damn that sucks to hear man. It seems like you got a lemon. Other than all the problems you got with your car, it looks pretty nice. Can you post some pics of it? I wanna see how well those Works go with the TL. Thinking about getting myself some...

 

thanks for all the advice as i will be speaking with Acura this weekend..... Sad that my 04 i bought with 50k didn't have one problem but my 08 has had all of them.

Everything soon will be for sale that is on the car... I think i am moving on to a 09 CTSV!!!

Please dont ask how much or what or dibs in this post please!!!!

Winky check out my profile pictures if you would like to see how the works look.

 

So before i can even get to the Dealership this weekend.... i now have another check engine problem.. Now im sure one problem will force another one.. i am completely aware of this

New codes read (8 total)
1,2,3 ,5 cylinder misfires
5 other codes read Random Misfire


I called the dealership to let them know and my service adviser told me to call Acura Client Services.

My call to Acura Client Services was really nothing but me giving all my info to them..

-Their response was.... "continue to take it to the dealership and have the warranty take care of the problems" WTF??
-I simply asked with a car with low mileage having these problems..all you can say is take it to the dealership?? What about the life of the car after Warranty???
-His response was here is a case number.. if the car has another problem after this one has been addressed please call us back

 

Wow. I feel you man. Taking the car to the dealer can be a bitch sometimes and it wastes a lot of time. I hope Acura just takes the car back or something. Also when you give Acura a call back try speaking to a manager or something, sometimes those reps. aren't really gonna do much.

 

You know now that I think about it my e-brake doesnt really hold the car, how did you adjust it?!

 

I hate cars had a simple fix for it.
let me see if i can find it.

 

I had the misfire problem too...ALL cylinders individually and then the random one at the end. Had found a solution that the dealer can do to get rid of it and wouldn't you know it, the day I'm pulling out of work to go check it out it turns off and never came back on. Weird.

Good luck man...I love this car...I really do but I have to say that no other Honda I've ever had has had so many little bs annoying things stop working or annoy me as much as this car. Seriously...maybe because it's built in the US? :x

I sure hope not...

 

Well?

 

Sorry for the bad luck... I've got 105k on my SSM and haven't had any of those problems.

 

Lemon it if you can.

Talk to a GA Lemon Law Lawyer.

 

Is this the one?

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...ake+adjustment

 

car is going in shop on Sunday... I will give acura 1 last chance to fix this car... any other problems and i will be seeking legal action....

 

Ding, ding, ding!

 

So car went into shop... Fuel pump cannot keep pressure.. going out

Said that it is losing 8psi so needs a new one... Not sure if that is the total reason for all the problems but they are starting with that first

Part is in Idaho (Im in GA) and will take till Friday to get it.

Good thing is they put me in a 2010 AWD MDX so at least i have a ride for the weekend.

 

Sorry to hear all this man. Only 24K on your TL-S...WOW! I bought mine with about 50K last year and have 71K on it now and took it in for 2 little things. Which dealer are you taking it to out there?

 

sux ur having all these issues man ... either try to get it lemoned, or cut ur losses and move into something else so u can enjoy ur ride. best of luck either way

 

E-brake wear and adjustment is normal.
Fuel pump will not fix the problem.
There's a reset for the auto window up.


The others sound very annoying. Mine has not had 1/4 those problems and it's getting close to 100,000.

 

well here is the update.

Window roll-up they fixed (guessing like you said reset)
Replaced the battery cause its cold cranking amps was low
Replaced Lip Spoiler on back cause the tape/residue was coming out from under it.


The car hasn't thrown a CEL yet and had the fuel pump replaced....(but i will say it still seems hesitant on idling and through some rpms.. but giving it a chance to see if it will throw a CEL or fix itself)

trust me i had a 04 AT and drove it clear to 135XXX and never had a problem!

 

well you were right! 2 more CEL's today

P0300-random misfire
P0301-OBD II cylinder 1 misfire



THIS IS OLD!

 

Man this is terrible. I would suggest getting a hold of the BBB and pleading your case? Let them know that this is your DD and that you have continuously brought your car to the dealership only to have to bring it back again. I hope everything works out.

 

That sucks. I was hoping I was wrong.

It's time to have them do a leakdown test. This will solve once and for all if you have bent valves or any kind of leakdown of the combustion chamber. Think of it as a compression test on steroids. It will catch things a compression test won't.

Basically, I would check compression via the leakdown first.

Then go to the fuel system. Get fuel from a different station after running all of the current fuel out. Hopefully the dealer will catch any fuel trim issues but many times they don't.

If you had a single cylinder misfire I would say to check a coil or plug but it's slightly doubtfull all of them are bad lol.

Don't be afraid to suggest these things to the dealer. When I was trying to get the pinging problem soleved with the Murano, I had to show the Nissan "tech" how to look at knock retard on his scanner. Before I did that he told me it's not knocking because he couldn't hear it... After that, he had no choice but to acknowledge it.

 

well i know they have checked the fuel trims... or at least they told me they have.

I will let them know about the Leak Down method and see what they say about that.

Donnie.... its getting there very quick... what sucks is im driving there to and from with my gas and to and from with the loaner on my gas.... and they are testing my car out on my gas.. but no reimbursement??

i will be having a talk with Acura Client Services again this week. If they do nothing i will further my problems to someone else.

 

Man again I hate hearing this. I took my car in for oil/tranny flush at the honda dealership Saturday and now my leather steering wheel is all cut up. I contacted the BBB yesterday and received an email today saying the dealership was contacted. I've had a similar issue before and the BBB has prevailed! Hmmm....maybe I should contact Honda Services about this.....

 

After reading this thread it dawned on me that I had this same problem on my 03 CL-S 6spd. Acura ended up replacing my coil packs and spark plugs. Problem solved.

 

Man that blows donkeys!!! I hope you can take it back for good!! I would TOTALLY talk to a lawyer. The ~$1K you spend will pay off in the long run. It is not like the car will get better with time... (it might, but I would bet against it). Tell the manager you are done and they need to do something permanently.

Please let us know what happens.

 

yea definitely taking it a step up from the service adviser to the service manager. I have already contacted Acura Client Services and they asked me to take it in 1 more time (the last time) to get it fixed and they didnt and more is wrong. If they dont surprise me with a good alternative or answer BBB will be contacted.

 

!!!!UPDATE!!!!

Been reallly busy with life and what not but once again bad news on the car

I send the car in for repair for the misfiring and what comes about??
Either
A: Floated Valve
B: Seated valve

Solution.... They replace both heads with brand new ones and send me on my way.

I get home to find some misterious white paint on the passenger side of the car and too look alitle more closely... I find my sideskirt very scratched/beat up.

On my way BACK to the dealsership to get this sideskirt replaced the check engine light comes BACK ON... I get the scanner and read the code to find out the car is running LEAN!!!!

This means that the car has went back 3 times for the same thing..... misfire/rough idle...

Anyone have any advice??

 

Or the fact the VIN # starts with 1 instead of J.

On a serious note though, I can't believe you're having such bad luck with the car. Hope you get everything resolved.

 

Call ACS and demand a resolution besides "bringing it back in to the dealer"

Lemon law that car and run away.

Sorry for your issues. My 04 hasnt had anything dramatic besides normal maintenance.

 

If the engine is loping pretty bad when it starts misfiring, then it could be a fuel injector malfunction. Usually they have intermitting trouble (misfires - dead cylinder) before the fail. I sticking valve or one that is out of adjustment can emulate a dead cylinder and make it "misfire".. But that usually only occurs when someone has been inside the motor. Unless someone has done some internal work to your engine, I bet you $1 it's not a valve problem.

get one of these to isolate it. http://www.amazon.com/Lisle-52500-Me.../dp/B0002SQYSM

you will hear even clicking sounds from each fuel injector but not a falty one. But the car has to be misfiring for you to hear it. In other words, if it not misfiring when you listen to it, it will sound normal.

If you feel it misfire like once or twice then all is ok.. it could still be a bad fuel injector. in other words, it doesnt have to be constantly misfiring to be bad.. usually it is intermitting first, then gets worse.

A bad fuel injector may also cause it to run lean. When they replaced the heads, did they put the same injectors back in it? I'm sure they did.

 

problem is though i shouldnt be having to do anything considering this car is under warranty. These trips back and forth to the dealer has been exceeded way to far.

I do appreciate your help in trying to find the problem as if i did have a problem with a car that had a misfire i would go this route to check.. not to hard and not too much "know how" needed.

 

Lemon it!

Edit.
nvm read the thread.

 

This.

 

wow. your car is cursed O_O i havent had any problems yet with my tl. good luck on your car