San Francisco TL Owners Gathering Feedback
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San Francisco TL Owners Gathering Feedback
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Just got back from what turned out to be a great sunny day (rare) gathering here in San Francisco.
Wow we had nineteen (19-1/2 for our 10mos old model) individuals that showed up and roughly 14(?) cars...thanks to all.
Things I liked:
Jerky's set up, I must say you have most of the gadgets I want.
1. Navi/DVD conversion from AV Electronics (I am sold on this one)
2. Clear Bra is awesome (Will definitely get this one first)
3. A-spec set up with "Dark Chrome" looks better in person than in picture (Will definitely purchase when I get my bonus).
4. Rear Lips spoiler
Moelester, thanks for the License plate frame
1. I like the painted front grill, (looks like XJR concept) we will post pics soon.
Thanks to everyone who attended:
1. For the person I forgot to list...thank you
2. Jerky with the homies
3. Rick and borther in-law with a first gen 90 Acura Legend Coupe
4. SilverTL6
5. gochan , friend or cousin - Dude you missed a great meeting!!!!
6. Moe Lester w/ Girlfriend -the painted grill rocks!!! and thank for the frame (again)
7. Tyler
8. Spooky3ce (Wife/lil'bro/maybe a girl for jatt) - All the way from Salinas Glad you joined us.
9. Moelester
10. Ronnie0738 - I like how you converted you TL to C32 AMG..it Rockcs!!!
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11. Klepto your CL rocks!!!
12. V6Power - Front grille so cool my friend
13. Researchfreak - Redondo Red is awesome!!! (Alex - that is you future ride, dont forget the DVD conversion)
14. The NBP owner - (Dude sorry forgot you screen name) I wanted that color but went with WPD. (easier to clean)
I appologize if I missed anybody, there were so many of us please sign in.
Please post the pics (whoever took digital shots)
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well first off, thanks to neorick for setting this meet up, the weather was beautiful. I thought it was gonna rain. I really like the drive, that was cool, maybe next time we can take a longer drive and have everyone closer together (we were kinda spaced apart). man all you guys with your brand spanking new tl's make my cl look so old
anyways here are some pics
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i'll post up some more later if needed
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i'll post up some more later if needed
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Originally Posted by AcuraTLjatt559
14. The NBP owner - (Dude sorry forgot you screen name)
I believe that would be REDRSXGRRL ?![Dunno](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
i'm waiting for the pics.... hurry up fools![Ecstatic](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ecstatic.gif)
I believe that would be REDRSXGRRL ?
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i'm waiting for the pics.... hurry up fools
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Definitely not REDRSXGRRL ...either that or my eyes thought the guy I was talking too was actually a girl....(darn!!! I need new contact lenses) ![Ponder](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/ponder.gif)
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Originally Posted by KLepTo
well first off, thanks to neorick for setting this meet up, the weather was beautiful. I thought it was gonna rain. I really like the drive, that was cool, maybe next time we can take a longer drive and have everyone closer together (we were kinda spaced apart). man all you guys with your brand spanking new tl's make my cl look so old
anyways here are some pics
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And best of all it's Acura (nuff said)
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Wow, we had a great day! It really was beautiful in SF! Good Call NeoRick! Everyone was so nice, and even though I was the ONLY girl TL owner there, you all made me feel comfortable. So, let me think,... I was the ONLY girl, I had the ONLY 05 out there, I was the ONLY one over 40 (probably the only one over 30 cuz I think Rick lied about his age!) and I had the ONLY red TL! I have never been so different in my life!
Thanks to everyone for coming out and making this such a nice day!
Great pictures KlepTo! Jerky, where are your pics?
Thanks to everyone for coming out and making this such a nice day!
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Great pictures KlepTo! Jerky, where are your pics?
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Originally Posted by ResearchFreak
I was the ONLY one over 40 (probably the only one over 30 cuz I think Rick lied about his age!)
LOL...I am really 40 (just colored my hair). My real B-day is 8/31/1964. Bought my car on 08/31/2004 as my 40th B-day present.
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Oh, yeah, I almost forgot to thank Neorick for showing me his 'butt prints', heh heh I mean 'Memory Seats'!
And BTW, Alex is already trying to figure out how he can earn the money for that DVD conversion Jerky! Thanks?
And BTW, Alex is already trying to figure out how he can earn the money for that DVD conversion Jerky! Thanks?
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Originally Posted by ResearchFreak
OK, you can be 40 if you want!
Next time you'll have to bring your kids! Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner this time!
Next time you'll have to bring your kids! Sorry I didn't get back to you sooner this time!
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Hey, we talked a bit about gas mileage today. I thought I'd let you know that I reset my computer when we got onto 280 South today on the way home. I had the cruise set at 67 and was getting super mileage! For a while it was 45 MPG! By the time we got home the average mileage was 35. Not bad mileage! The window sticker said I'd get 29 mpg on the highway....
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dude neorick. gochan, ME is the NBP owner. i made it, just not to brunch. THE ONLY NBP representing. IT was a great meet. I had a great time and we HAVE to do it again sometime and with more people. Neo. Thanks for putting it together. Jerky, pm me with all the av and clear bra info please.
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Great pics Klepto, it was a lot of fun to get everyone together, thanks for putting everything together Rick, next time I've got to remember to bring my camera!
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Greetings:
Sorry I couldn't be there. I'm currently in Santo Domingo. I will attempt to make the next one..
BTW: I'm 55 so I will be the oldest TL owner..
Tim Barrett
Sorry I couldn't be there. I'm currently in Santo Domingo. I will attempt to make the next one..
BTW: I'm 55 so I will be the oldest TL owner..
Tim Barrett
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Great Meet everyone!!!
Well here are the pics we took... Thanks to my bro that took some cool pics of the FAST white CL...
lol... I think he is thinking of selling his 96 GMC Jimmy and getting himself one...
see what you done... lol...
Sorry, the pics are a bit of low quality... my 3.1 Mega Pixel Kodak camera takes good pics but the program it came with doesn't re-size pics... sooo, i'm using a crappy Free Re-sizeing program... Better than nothing eh??? lol... Hope you all like...
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This picture proves the street cleaning fine someone got on this forum...![Shake Head](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shakehead.gif)
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Beautiful Day in SF...
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Sorry, the pics are a bit of low quality... my 3.1 Mega Pixel Kodak camera takes good pics but the program it came with doesn't re-size pics... sooo, i'm using a crappy Free Re-sizeing program... Better than nothing eh??? lol... Hope you all like...
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This picture proves the street cleaning fine someone got on this forum...
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Beautiful Day in SF...
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Forgot to say/ask... Did we run them racer's out of their spot??? did they get scared or something??? because once we got there i seen a bunch of civics etc...(nice cars by the way) leaving all in a hurry like they were... well, spooked... lol...
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Originally Posted by spooky3ce
Well here are the pics we took... Thanks to my bro that took some cool pics of the FAST white CL...
lol... I think he is thinking of selling his 96 GMC Jimmy and getting himself one...
see what you done... lol...
Sorry, the pics are a bit of low quality... my 3.1 Mega Pixel Kodak camera takes good pics but the program it came with doesn't re-size pics... sooo, i'm using a crappy Free Re-sizeing program... Better than nothing eh??? lol... Hope you all like...
![Racing](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/racing.gif)
![Dunno](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
![Shake Head](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/shakehead.gif)
Sorry, the pics are a bit of low quality... my 3.1 Mega Pixel Kodak camera takes good pics but the program it came with doesn't re-size pics... sooo, i'm using a crappy Free Re-sizeing program... Better than nothing eh??? lol... Hope you all like...
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/d...powertoys.mspx
just scroll down a bit and its there on the right, after you install it just view the pics as tumbnails, select the ones you want to resize and then right click-->resize
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Originally Posted by spooky3ce
Forgot to say/ask... Did we run them racer's out of their spot??? did they get scared or something??? because once we got there i seen a bunch of civics etc...(nice cars by the way) leaving all in a hurry like they were... well, spooked... lol...
![Dunno](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/dunno.gif)
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#26
Photoshops, and Polls!!!!
Ok, chillax, everyone, i have a life....ok, im kidding
im posting some pics now..
Here are two shots that I took of the Honda and Import racers that were at the spot when we showed up.
Im not sure why they all left, but we're friendly and would love to show and tell...
anyways....here they are.
we could have had some good races...even though they 'backfire'
im posting some pics now..
Here are two shots that I took of the Honda and Import racers that were at the spot when we showed up.
Im not sure why they all left, but we're friendly and would love to show and tell...
anyways....here they are.
we could have had some good races...even though they 'backfire'
![](http://img28.exs.cx/img28/3050/hondateam1.jpg)
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Jerky - thanks for that impromptu drag race at the stop sign. You completely caught me off guard and smoked the crap outta me. I'm just gonna have to get my revenge next time
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And thanks (non-sarcastically) to everyone else that showed up ... it was good to finally meet other TL enthusiasts.
Here's some profile shots I took (56k and 15" monitor warning), since it looks like we already have enough group shots ...
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And thanks (non-sarcastically) to everyone else that showed up ... it was good to finally meet other TL enthusiasts.
Here's some profile shots I took (56k and 15" monitor warning), since it looks like we already have enough group shots ...
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partial group shot:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2144.JPG
Neorick:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2145.JPG
gochan:
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Tyler:
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silverTL6:
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Neorick:
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gochan:
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Tyler:
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silverTL6:
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Originally Posted by Jerky
Ok, chillax, everyone, i have a life....ok, im kidding
im posting some pics now..
Here are two shots that I took of the Honda and Import racers that were at the spot when we showed up.
Im not sure why they all left, but we're friendly and would love to show and tell...
anyways....here they are.
we could have had some good races...even though they 'backfire'
![](http://img28.exs.cx/img28/3050/hondateam1.jpg)
im posting some pics now..
Here are two shots that I took of the Honda and Import racers that were at the spot when we showed up.
Im not sure why they all left, but we're friendly and would love to show and tell...
anyways....here they are.
we could have had some good races...even though they 'backfire'
![](http://img28.exs.cx/img28/3050/hondateam1.jpg)
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rick? (correct me if i'm wrong):
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2150.JPG
moe lester:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2151.JPG
moe lester's grille up-close:
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spooky3ce:
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jim? (sorry i forgot your SN):
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moe lester:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2151.JPG
moe lester's grille up-close:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2152.JPG
spooky3ce:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2154.JPG
jim? (sorry i forgot your SN):
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2155.JPG
#39
06 TL 6MT + 18 ATS-V 8AT
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klepto:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2156.JPG
ronnie0738:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2157.JPG
ronnie0738 close-up:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2158.JPG
researchfreak:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2160.JPG
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2156.JPG
ronnie0738:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2157.JPG
ronnie0738 close-up:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2158.JPG
researchfreak:
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2160.JPG
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Originally Posted by silverTL6
rick? (correct me if i'm wrong):
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2150.JPG
http://www.pifiu.com/upload/uploads/112004/121_2150.JPG
I started a new thread (please read) regarding the upcoming Autoshow:
How many of you are planning to go? Lets get a headcount.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthr...88#post1018888