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Originally posted by blufox
well ive read that with intake exhast and ECU the G35 makes 310 while TL makes 313. thats good enough for me because the TL engine is smaller and stock it comes with 270 rather than 285
well ive read that with intake exhast and ECU the G35 makes 310 while TL makes 313. thats good enough for me because the TL engine is smaller and stock it comes with 270 rather than 285
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
Hmmmm, I swear it did. Maybe it was another car I drove. TSX?
Hmmmm, I swear it did. Maybe it was another car I drove. TSX?
I have figured it out! You were comparing the G35 to the TSX the whole time. I would have thought that someone with your extensive knowledge of both automobiles would have not overlooked something like a hood prop since you spent so much time with both of them before buying.
Go back and test drive a TL, that's TL, "Tom Lincoln" spelled phonetically. Ask the salesman to point one out for you so you don't get confused this time.
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Re: Wrong Car
Originally posted by Swat Dude
Silver,
I have figured it out! You were comparing the G35 to the TSX the whole time. I would have thought that someone with your extensive knowledge of both automobiles would have not overlooked something like a hood prop since you spent so much time with both of them before buying.
Go back and test drive a TL, that's TL, "Tom Lincoln" spelled phonetically. Ask the salesman to point one out for you so you don't get confused this time.
Silver,
I have figured it out! You were comparing the G35 to the TSX the whole time. I would have thought that someone with your extensive knowledge of both automobiles would have not overlooked something like a hood prop since you spent so much time with both of them before buying.
Go back and test drive a TL, that's TL, "Tom Lincoln" spelled phonetically. Ask the salesman to point one out for you so you don't get confused this time.
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
Uh where you get these #s? Don't forget the G and Z engines are underated.
Uh where you get these #s? Don't forget the G and Z engines are underated.
This G35/6 speed produced 227 peak rear wheel HP - with a K&N filter; that is certainly NO MORE than 275 peak SAE NET flywheel HP. Neither the Z nor the G are "under-rated."
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...b=5&o=&fpart=1
This little number was TRULY under-rated. It was rated @ 305 SAE NET HP @ the flywheel and made darn near that much at THE REAR WHEELS:
http://www.ericohlsen.com/FBODY/CamaroDyno.jpg
I own a '99; 350Zs vanish in my rear-view @ my whim - regardless of how hard the 350Z driver is running it.
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Well the Sedan dynos the same as well, and its around 270~ then.
Originally posted by harddrivin1le
The G and the Z produce ~ 230 peak horsepower @ the rear wheels. That's a ~ 50 HP drop from the flywheel SAE net rating, which if anything, is more of a drop than what one might expect.
This G35/6 speed produced 227 peak rear wheel HP - with a K&N filter; that is certainly NO MORE than 275 peak SAE NET flywheel HP. Neither the Z nor the G are "under-rated."
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...b=5&o=&fpart=1
This little number was TRULY under-rated. It was rated @ 305 SAE NET HP @ the flywheel and made darn near that much at THE REAR WHEELS:
http://www.ericohlsen.com/FBODY/CamaroDyno.jpg
I own a '99; 350Zs vanish in my rear-view @ my whim - regardless of how hard the 350Z driver is running it.
The G and the Z produce ~ 230 peak horsepower @ the rear wheels. That's a ~ 50 HP drop from the flywheel SAE net rating, which if anything, is more of a drop than what one might expect.
This G35/6 speed produced 227 peak rear wheel HP - with a K&N filter; that is certainly NO MORE than 275 peak SAE NET flywheel HP. Neither the Z nor the G are "under-rated."
http://forums.freshalloy.com/ubbthre...b=5&o=&fpart=1
This little number was TRULY under-rated. It was rated @ 305 SAE NET HP @ the flywheel and made darn near that much at THE REAR WHEELS:
http://www.ericohlsen.com/FBODY/CamaroDyno.jpg
I own a '99; 350Zs vanish in my rear-view @ my whim - regardless of how hard the 350Z driver is running it.
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Originally posted by RhodeRunner
Silver- Are you going to post more lies and half truths? Does this help you validate your G35 purchase?
Silver- Are you going to post more lies and half truths? Does this help you validate your G35 purchase?
I'd be spending time on G35/Nissan websites if I had a G35.
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
Strange, I see them running mid 14s all the time here stock.
**** I am not even shifting right or use to my car and I ran last night a 14.4 at 97 mph bone stock with 1300 miles. And that was bogging off the line.
Strange, I see them running mid 14s all the time here stock.
**** I am not even shifting right or use to my car and I ran last night a 14.4 at 97 mph bone stock with 1300 miles. And that was bogging off the line.
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Originally posted by Monte TLS,MAX
Wow impressive times for a stock auto Sedan G I havent seen any trap that high but if its true good. 350's are not overated mine dynoed between 228-231 rwhp consistently, the only one that my be is the G Sedan not the coupe. Nissan is known for that just like they underatted 02/03 Maximas torque as Dynos show.
Wow impressive times for a stock auto Sedan G I havent seen any trap that high but if its true good. 350's are not overated mine dynoed between 228-231 rwhp consistently, the only one that my be is the G Sedan not the coupe. Nissan is known for that just like they underatted 02/03 Maximas torque as Dynos show.
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Originally posted by UminChu
Wasn't it Nissan that got called on the carpet awhile back for publishing exagerrated horsepower claims for the Maxima, then very quietly and discreetly lowering the hp stat?
Wasn't it Nissan that got called on the carpet awhile back for publishing exagerrated horsepower claims for the Maxima, then very quietly and discreetly lowering the hp stat?
The various 3.5 liter Nissan engines are HONESTLY rated, at least in terms of HP. And it's HP that accelerates the car from any given vehicle speed.
The Altima makes ~ 201 drivewheel (on a chassis dyno) and the G35 and 350Z makes ~ 230 drive wheel HP.
Those figures compare quite well with the published manufacturer's SAE NET HP claims (@ the flywheel).
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Originally posted by UminChu
Wasn't it Nissan that got called on the carpet awhile back for publishing exagerrated horsepower claims for the Maxima, then very quietly and discreetly lowering the hp stat?
Wasn't it Nissan that got called on the carpet awhile back for publishing exagerrated horsepower claims for the Maxima, then very quietly and discreetly lowering the hp stat?
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Originally posted by Monte TLS,MAX
Yep it was Nissan but most 02/03 owners are happy because the torque was underated big time. Most Dynos show it to be about 245HP vs 255 (originally 260) and about 265l/b torque vs 246.
Yep it was Nissan but most 02/03 owners are happy because the torque was underated big time. Most Dynos show it to be about 245HP vs 255 (originally 260) and about 265l/b torque vs 246.
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Originally posted by Monte TLS,MAX
Yep it was Nissan but most 02/03 owners are happy because the torque was underated big time. Most Dynos show it to be about 245HP vs 255 (originally 260) and about 265l/b torque vs 246.
Yep it was Nissan but most 02/03 owners are happy because the torque was underated big time. Most Dynos show it to be about 245HP vs 255 (originally 260) and about 265l/b torque vs 246.
http://www.yawpower.com/tqvshp.html
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Originally posted by Monte TLS,MAX
Yep it was Nissan but most 02/03 owners are happy because the torque was underated big time. Most Dynos show it to be about 245HP vs 255 (originally 260) and about 265l/b torque vs 246.
Yep it was Nissan but most 02/03 owners are happy because the torque was underated big time. Most Dynos show it to be about 245HP vs 255 (originally 260) and about 265l/b torque vs 246.
http://www.yawpower.com/tqvshp.html
http://www.v8914.com/Horsepower-v-torque.htm
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Interesting articles. I just looked at the Dyno's for the 2nd Gen AEM TL intake and all equations hold true so I guess AEM is not messing with the numbers, but then we knew that.
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Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Horsepower is what matters in terms of dictating accelation at any given drive-wheel speed. So while interesting, the fact that the torque (but not the HP) rating was slightly more than claimed is essentially moot.
http://www.yawpower.com/tqvshp.html
http://www.v8914.com/Horsepower-v-torque.htm
Horsepower is what matters in terms of dictating accelation at any given drive-wheel speed. So while interesting, the fact that the torque (but not the HP) rating was slightly more than claimed is essentially moot.
http://www.yawpower.com/tqvshp.html
http://www.v8914.com/Horsepower-v-torque.htm
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Originally posted by Monte TLS,MAX
Horsepower and gearing are not only horsepower, but we are happy thats all that matter and its not moot point its a part of the equation. We are setting the ground as to how Nissan operates.
Horsepower and gearing are not only horsepower, but we are happy thats all that matter and its not moot point its a part of the equation. We are setting the ground as to how Nissan operates.
And "gearing" has very little impact on trap speed through the 1/4 mile...
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Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Fortunately, modern cars feature transmissions with lots of gears.
And "gearing" has very little impact on trap speed through the 1/4 mile...
Fortunately, modern cars feature transmissions with lots of gears.
And "gearing" has very little impact on trap speed through the 1/4 mile...
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Originally posted by Swat Dude
Interesting articles. I just looked at the Dyno's for the 2nd Gen AEM TL intake and all equations hold true so I guess AEM is not messing with the numbers, but then we knew that.
Interesting articles. I just looked at the Dyno's for the 2nd Gen AEM TL intake and all equations hold true so I guess AEM is not messing with the numbers, but then we knew that.
If they don't say then it's probably something ridiculous (like sea level, 50 degree F and 0 humidity).
SAE NET HP/Torque figures are corrected to realistic standards.
Many aftermarket parts manufactures publish dyno curves results that were corrected to ridiculous standards in a (legal) attempt to show how effective their parts are @ making more power.
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Originally posted by Monte TLS,MAX
Not true for instance the 04 Maxima the SL is 4spd auto the SE is a 5spd auto and the SE traps some 2 Mph faster from some sources I have seen(same car better gearing and it has less weight due to lighter rims). So gearing makes a difference in the 1/4 miles sometimes I can think of several other cases as well.
Not true for instance the 04 Maxima the SL is 4spd auto the SE is a 5spd auto and the SE traps some 2 Mph faster from some sources I have seen(same car better gearing and it has less weight due to lighter rims). So gearing makes a difference in the 1/4 miles sometimes I can think of several other cases as well.
But a 2 MPH delta can more easily be attributable to the differences in atmospheric conditions/testing methods on different days/with different drivers as well as production tolerance issues between the different cars.
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Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Horsepower is what matters in terms of dictating accelation at any given drive-wheel speed. So while interesting, the fact that the torque (but not the HP) rating was slightly more than claimed is essentially moot.
Horsepower is what matters in terms of dictating accelation at any given drive-wheel speed. So while interesting, the fact that the torque (but not the HP) rating was slightly more than claimed is essentially moot.
TQ is where everyone drives in. HP is for top end mainly. TQ is what gets us going. TQ is what wins races, not HP.
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Originally posted by harddrivin1le
Fortunately, modern cars feature transmissions with lots of gears.
And "gearing" has very little impact on trap speed through the 1/4 mile...
Fortunately, modern cars feature transmissions with lots of gears.
And "gearing" has very little impact on trap speed through the 1/4 mile...
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
LOL
LOL
Basic physics explains why that is so.
I'm certain that your vast level of knowledge in that field can refute this basic equation:
Velocity = Acceleration * Time
A car with more aggressive gearing yields a higher average rate of acceleration over a fixed distance (in this case, 1,320 feet).
That reduces the ET (Time)
The same car, fitted with less aggressive gearing, will yield a slower average rate of acceleration over that same distance.
That increases ET (time)
Either way, the end result (trap speed or velocity) is very similar.
Simple translations:
Lowering the axle ratio by 10% means that the car in question will shift into the next highest gear @ ~ 10% less speed. While it will accelerate faster (assuming good traction), trap speed will remain ESSENTIALLY unchanged.
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I have no idea why some of us are even going there with trap speed like they even have seen a track let alont taken their sedan there. 99.9% of us don't even go there (I do).
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Originally posted by 1SICKLEX
I have no idea why some of us are even going there with trap speed like they even have seen a track let alont taken their sedan there. 99.9% of us don't even go there (I do).
I have no idea why some of us are even going there with trap speed like they even have seen a track let alont taken their sedan there. 99.9% of us don't even go there (I do).
And I thought that SOME people on an automotive forum might find it interesting that trap speed is relatively unaffected by gearing choices (as opposed to ET, which is far more impacted by gearing).
Should I clear future posts to get your approval of content prior to posting them?
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SilverBS,
Instead of spouting BS as usual, go back and read the articles Harddrivin attached. They do have merit. Horsepower has the time variable factored in. Torque without Hp is nothing.
Instead of spouting BS as usual, go back and read the articles Harddrivin attached. They do have merit. Horsepower has the time variable factored in. Torque without Hp is nothing.
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Yawn, more BS from you as usual and the other guy. Seems to me your not makign many friends on this site.
At least ALMOST everything I have posted I have backed up with reliable source of information unlike you.
Again, my statement was a fact, unlike yours.
At least ALMOST everything I have posted I have backed up with reliable source of information unlike you.
Again, my statement was a fact, unlike yours.
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Man! took me a long time to read everything here..........
SilverBS.....man you are making trouble again?
WARNING!!!! OPINION!!!!!
I think people who bought G35 S got the short end of the stick. I would have bought G35 Coupe if the performance mattered that much. I mean losing the "look" is bad enough....you lose the beautiful rear end and the dual exhust and what do you get? a second best G35......the only way anyone can justify their purchase is to knock on its competitor......
If I wanted a performance RWD car-------G35 Coupe....it looks like a performance car.....and its worth every dime.
If I wanted a performance with 4 doors.....well, you guys know what I did......get the TL. \
i know, i know.....its just my opinion....I can't seem to get over the major exterior diff between the sedan and the coupe....i saw a sedan the other day......its rear is......well.....the exhust and the rear lights......why not pay a little more for the real mccoy?
Just thought I would share this with my TLers.......IT IS....OUR FORUM.
SilverBS.....man you are making trouble again?
WARNING!!!! OPINION!!!!!
I think people who bought G35 S got the short end of the stick. I would have bought G35 Coupe if the performance mattered that much. I mean losing the "look" is bad enough....you lose the beautiful rear end and the dual exhust and what do you get? a second best G35......the only way anyone can justify their purchase is to knock on its competitor......
If I wanted a performance RWD car-------G35 Coupe....it looks like a performance car.....and its worth every dime.
If I wanted a performance with 4 doors.....well, you guys know what I did......get the TL. \
i know, i know.....its just my opinion....I can't seem to get over the major exterior diff between the sedan and the coupe....i saw a sedan the other day......its rear is......well.....the exhust and the rear lights......why not pay a little more for the real mccoy?
Just thought I would share this with my TLers.......IT IS....OUR FORUM.
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
At least ALMOST everything I have posted I have backed up with reliable source of information unlike you.
Again, my statement was a fact, unlike yours.
At least ALMOST everything I have posted I have backed up with reliable source of information unlike you.
Again, my statement was a fact, unlike yours.
BTW, have you even looked at your engine yet? Try checking the oil, champ..... bet you'll love putting the dipstick back in!
Keep killing us with those facts!
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A performance 4 door is not a FWD car. BMW, G35 Sedan are. LOL what do you lose in the Sedan?! Please tell me. Besides the 4 door looks NOTHING! The sedan is just as good as the Coupe and JUST AS FAST.
LOL you guys are just here to hate the G35. I can't believe this. That no one here thinks the G35 either the coupe or sedan are a great, nice looking car! Why not accept it guys! You just all seem to cut down on the G35, err most of you seem too, the ones who aren't are the ones who seem more open.
LOL you guys are just here to hate the G35. I can't believe this. That no one here thinks the G35 either the coupe or sedan are a great, nice looking car! Why not accept it guys! You just all seem to cut down on the G35, err most of you seem too, the ones who aren't are the ones who seem more open.
Originally posted by DARK6mt
Man! took me a long time to read everything here..........
SilverBS.....man you are making trouble again?
WARNING!!!! OPINION!!!!!
I think people who bought G35 S got the short end of the stick. I would have bought G35 Coupe if the performance mattered that much. I mean losing the "look" is bad enough....you lose the beautiful rear end and the dual exhust and what do you get? a second best G35......the only way anyone can justify their purchase is to knock on its competitor......
If I wanted a performance RWD car-------G35 Coupe....it looks like a performance car.....and its worth every dime.
If I wanted a performance with 4 doors.....well, you guys know what I did......get the TL. \
i know, i know.....its just my opinion....I can't seem to get over the major exterior diff between the sedan and the coupe....i saw a sedan the other day......its rear is......well.....the exhust and the rear lights......why not pay a little more for the real mccoy?
Just thought I would share this with my TLers.......IT IS....OUR FORUM.
Man! took me a long time to read everything here..........
SilverBS.....man you are making trouble again?
WARNING!!!! OPINION!!!!!
I think people who bought G35 S got the short end of the stick. I would have bought G35 Coupe if the performance mattered that much. I mean losing the "look" is bad enough....you lose the beautiful rear end and the dual exhust and what do you get? a second best G35......the only way anyone can justify their purchase is to knock on its competitor......
If I wanted a performance RWD car-------G35 Coupe....it looks like a performance car.....and its worth every dime.
If I wanted a performance with 4 doors.....well, you guys know what I did......get the TL. \
i know, i know.....its just my opinion....I can't seem to get over the major exterior diff between the sedan and the coupe....i saw a sedan the other day......its rear is......well.....the exhust and the rear lights......why not pay a little more for the real mccoy?
Just thought I would share this with my TLers.......IT IS....OUR FORUM.
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
LOL you guys are just here to hate the G35. I can't believe this. That no one here thinks the G35 either the coupe or sedan are a great, nice looking car! Why not accept it guys! You just all seem to cut down on the G35, err most of you seem too, the ones who aren't are the ones who seem more open.
LOL you guys are just here to hate the G35. I can't believe this. That no one here thinks the G35 either the coupe or sedan are a great, nice looking car! Why not accept it guys! You just all seem to cut down on the G35, err most of you seem too, the ones who aren't are the ones who seem more open.
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Originally posted by RhodeRunner
Facts, like your extensive test drives, which also make you an expert on the cars you have test driven? LOL, don't think so, you can't even remember if the hood on the TL has a rod. Guess you didn't spend much time during your exhaustive "research" examining the engine compartment.
BTW, have you even looked at your engine yet? Try checking the oil, champ..... bet you'll love putting the dipstick back in!
Keep killing us with those facts!
Facts, like your extensive test drives, which also make you an expert on the cars you have test driven? LOL, don't think so, you can't even remember if the hood on the TL has a rod. Guess you didn't spend much time during your exhaustive "research" examining the engine compartment.
BTW, have you even looked at your engine yet? Try checking the oil, champ..... bet you'll love putting the dipstick back in!
Keep killing us with those facts!
Yea I am going to sit and look under the hood for a long time. I also didn't open the hood, the sales guy did so he was holding it and I wasn't paying attention to the struts or not.
Anyways, its kinda funny though. In my opinion the struts on the G35 TRUNK are more useful there than on the hood. What do you open more, your trunk or the hood. (trunk). Acura must have went CHEAP to just not add those. The G35 has em.
Oh and look at the pages and pages of complaints about the TL. But then hardly anything except maybe the seats for the G35. WOW! I must have made a bad decision.
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
A performance 4 door is not a FWD car. BMW, G35 Sedan are. LOL what do you lose in the Sedan?! Please tell me. Besides the 4 door looks NOTHING! The sedan is just as good as the Coupe and JUST AS FAST.
LOL you guys are just here to hate the G35. I can't believe this. That no one here thinks the G35 either the coupe or sedan are a great, nice looking car! Why not accept it guys! You just all seem to cut down on the G35, err most of you seem too, the ones who aren't are the ones who seem more open.
A performance 4 door is not a FWD car. BMW, G35 Sedan are. LOL what do you lose in the Sedan?! Please tell me. Besides the 4 door looks NOTHING! The sedan is just as good as the Coupe and JUST AS FAST.
LOL you guys are just here to hate the G35. I can't believe this. That no one here thinks the G35 either the coupe or sedan are a great, nice looking car! Why not accept it guys! You just all seem to cut down on the G35, err most of you seem too, the ones who aren't are the ones who seem more open.
G35 SEDAN IS FUGLY......PERFORMANCE GOOD BUT STILL FUGLY.
G35 COUPE IS THE SWEETEST LOOKING 2+2 ON THE ROAD TODAY.
GET IT?
IF YOU HAVE SEDAN.....BOO HOO SORRY I HATE YOUR CAR
IF YOU HAVE COUPE.......DAMN LUCKY SON OF A *****!!!!!
I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT????
02-24-2004, 05:54 PM
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Originally posted by DARK6mt
dude you are a waste of my time......let me put it in easier term.
G35 SEDAN IS FUGLY......PERFORMANCE GOOD BUT STILL FUGLY.
G35 COUPE IS THE SWEETEST LOOKING 2+2 ON THE ROAD TODAY.
GET IT?
IF YOU HAVE SEDAN.....BOO HOO SORRY I HATE YOUR CAR
IF YOU HAVE COUPE.......DAMN LUCKY SON OF A *****!!!!!
I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT????
dude you are a waste of my time......let me put it in easier term.
G35 SEDAN IS FUGLY......PERFORMANCE GOOD BUT STILL FUGLY.
G35 COUPE IS THE SWEETEST LOOKING 2+2 ON THE ROAD TODAY.
GET IT?
IF YOU HAVE SEDAN.....BOO HOO SORRY I HATE YOUR CAR
IF YOU HAVE COUPE.......DAMN LUCKY SON OF A *****!!!!!
I HOPE YOU UNDERSTAND MY POINT????
I like the G35 looks. My opinion, and I am free to say it. So does alot of the reviews.
02-24-2004, 05:56 PM
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
Actually I did extensive research buddy. Did you know that you will never be able to install HEADERS on the new J32? Another reason I got away from it. Pretty sad the older CL-S 6spd with headers would OWN a TL with mods any day of the week.
Yea I am going to sit and look under the hood for a long time. I also didn't open the hood, the sales guy did so he was holding it and I wasn't paying attention to the struts or not.
Anyways, its kinda funny though. In my opinion the struts on the G35 TRUNK are more useful there than on the hood. What do you open more, your trunk or the hood. (trunk). Acura must have went CHEAP to just not add those. The G35 has em.
Oh and look at the pages and pages of complaints about the TL. But then hardly anything except maybe the seats for the G35. WOW! I must have made a bad decision.
Actually I did extensive research buddy. Did you know that you will never be able to install HEADERS on the new J32? Another reason I got away from it. Pretty sad the older CL-S 6spd with headers would OWN a TL with mods any day of the week.
Yea I am going to sit and look under the hood for a long time. I also didn't open the hood, the sales guy did so he was holding it and I wasn't paying attention to the struts or not.
Anyways, its kinda funny though. In my opinion the struts on the G35 TRUNK are more useful there than on the hood. What do you open more, your trunk or the hood. (trunk). Acura must have went CHEAP to just not add those. The G35 has em.
Oh and look at the pages and pages of complaints about the TL. But then hardly anything except maybe the seats for the G35. WOW! I must have made a bad decision.
man I am about to go to G35 forum as soon as I have some time!!
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Originally posted by SilverBulletCLS
Your personal opinion that the G35 is ugly. So be it. At least I don't own a Accord look alike.
I like the G35 looks. My opinion, and I am free to say it. So does alot of the reviews.
Your personal opinion that the G35 is ugly. So be it. At least I don't own a Accord look alike.
I like the G35 looks. My opinion, and I am free to say it. So does alot of the reviews.
I love the G35 Coupe......the sedan......well......i don't need to say anything since even the coupe owner think the sedan is ugly.
and TL is accord look alike? now you are being retarted. some enthusiest you are :o SAME PLATFORM AND COMPANY DOESN'T MEAN SAME CAR. your statement wasn't well thought out, or you are showing a bit of jealousy.
I think you need to go back now.