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Old 01-09-2013, 11:20 AM
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I can't tell a difference in feel or in noise. It's quiet and feels normal. So far so good. I would never recommend anyone else do this but I had a little extra money laying around so if this thing doesn't work I'll just replace the system. I do have high hopes since viscosity and additives are very close to the stock fluid but I did this just to do it, boredom. In the middle of my valve adjustment, I'll report back in a week or two.


IHC.. resident guinea pig.

You should have some type of sponsorship with Redline and Amsoil.

Just did full PSF drain and fill in the TL.. I have a leak in the MDX.. was going to overhaul and do the same to the X. Might wait to see how this turns out.
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@ do it for the X....

experiment on the ex right
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@ do it for the X....

experiment on the ex right
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damn it....

i thought when Majofo said "do the same to the X", i thought he was referring to his "EX"

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X.. as in MDX.. do the same, as in drain and fill.. you strange Anil.
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uum yeah sorry !!! but you should have been more clear
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Anil's mind, gutter.
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Just throwing this out there without really thinking this through(When i get more time i will). My mustangs came with power steering rack and pinion(R&P) style and a common mod for losing weight was to go to a manual R&P from flaming river. I wonder if older hondas had manual steering R&P that possibly could fit with minor modification. The Flaming River had Quick ratio and it was easy to steer, just wondering if this would help with the pulsating in the steering wheel?
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I figure a 3 month update is in order. My alternator went out on Saturday. I've been driving the car to work with the wiring harness unplugged from the alternator under battery power since then. The new one won't be here till Saturday so I'll be plugging the car in every night till then.

The reason I mention this is without the alternator whine that I didn't realize was so prominent I can get a feel for how quiet the power steering actually is. Even when cold, there's no noise from inside the car even with the door open. You can hear the normal pump noise with the hood popped and standing right there while someone turns the wheel but it's extremely quiet. Steering action is completely normal. Fluid is still cherry red which I would expect since the power steering doesn't put quite as much stress on the fluid as the transmission does.

There was some alternator noise that changed with rpm that I thought was pump noise. I probably should have loaded it down to verify it was the pump and not the alternator but I didn't.

Most importantly, no leaks. I'm interested in how it will perform in the summer months. I'm pretty sure it has no choice but to outperform the Amsoil but we'll see. It's been long enough that I've almost forgotten how it felt with the Amsoil but I can say that the power steering works flawlessly with this ATF.

Obviously I'm not recommending it to anyone else but it should be better than the factory stuff and I believe the risk is minimal. I'll update again around June.
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Old 03-20-2013, 09:59 PM
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Originally Posted by hofiveo
More on this later, but looking at your oil #s and my schaeffer #s the only one that is way different is the HTHS, yours 4.2 and mine is 3.2. What makes yours 1 point higher or mine 1 lower, what contributes to this. Gotta go, but will ask more on PS later.
I missed a lot of posts when this was active. I have a mix of 5w-30 and 5w-40. I usually run just the 5w-30 with a 3.8 HTHS. Higher HTHS is usually attributed to the base oil and lack of viscosity index improvers. If the base oil has a high enough viscosity index on it's own, no VIIs (which lower HTHS) have to be added. That's why the viscosity index on Redline is good but there are higher VIs out there. Redline sacrifices some VI for a higher HTHS viscosity. If Shaeffer makes a straight 30wt, the HTHS should be higher than their 5w-30.
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I've forgotten about this fluid until today. It's been almost 5 months and its been flawless. Just had our first few mid 90 degree temps and no change. I checked the reservoir and the fluid looks perfect, like the day I put it in. Ill probably start updating less often unless anything weird happens. So far Redline High Temp ATF has been a success in the power steering.
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Thanks for updating the thread Matt....

This will be a great option for folks since Amsoil changed their PS formula and took Acura off the list of compatible cars. For Acura they now recommend their ATF as the PS fluid....

I just bought a case of 12 pints of Amsoil PS fluid (4 for me and rest for some local folks), once I run out of the PS fluid, am gonna switch to redline high temp ATF....also I have noticed the later model cars have an external PS cooler, you think that will be a good investment?
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Checked out the Honda Motorsports Tent at SCCA event for V8 Supercars..

Check out the sponsor on the hood.

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I work for GM and when we have a problem with ps systems such as the enclave and acadia GM reccomends we put ATF DEXRON VI in the power steering system and flush it. Noise level is lowered and it performs better. So i'd say your safe to run Redline in your ps system from my experience. The viscosity is near the same so it works!
Old 05-20-2013, 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted by swoosh
I have noticed the later model cars have an external PS cooler
04-06 all, 07-08 base have basic "pipe cooler" going around in front of the radiator at the bottom

07-08 typ S AT have the same pipe cooler with fins.

I was gonna want to swap mine out for the S AT one but no one with basic cooler seem to have problem on the track so I skipped.






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omg is that a V8 RWD honda...?
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No that is not a v8 or rwd. It is fwd and a v6. It is for the Pirelli world challenge series. I like that series because they use stock chassis/body cars unlike most series that use tube frame race cars with a skin over it to resemble a street car. They used a 4 cylinder until the 2012 season then switched to the v6. Acura is pretty much in contention every year for both driver and manufacturer championships and has won both several times.
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10 months and I forgot I had this stuff in there until I checked all of the fluids the other day. No color change, no level change. I've been through half a winter and a whole summer. No leaks. No change in steering effort or feel from cold to hot and the pump is as quiet as it's ever been. I think I'll stick with this stuff for good. I'm not officially recommending it to anyone but I think most would be perfectly happy with it and it should offer some serious advantages in wear reduction and fluid life over the factory stuff.
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Always enjoy your posts, Matt.
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Lol thanks. I hear only crickets. I'm waiting for someone else to try this so I'm not alone...... You know you want to.
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when I rebuild my pump I might try this....not sure yet....
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Do it! I'm not recommending it though. Less than 2 months from it being a year. 123,000 miles on the original pump so far. Only time will tell if this will be trouble free, and I have no doubt it will be trouble free, but I wish I had done it many years ago so I could have more miles and time with it to help show it will work better than stock fluid.

I changed the oil last night and checked the power steering fluid. I didn't expect a change since I just checked it and there was none, just red as can be. Even using Redline, ATF is quite a bit cheaper than stock fluid. I almost used the left over gallon to do a transmission flush last night too but I wanted to keep using Type F.
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^^^ off topic but how bad is your flaring? I dont think anyone else is using straight Type F for that long....I have done a 5x3 with Type F over 30K miles and I get flares from 3rd to 4th shifts ONLY when the fluid is cold....after 5-10 minutes of city driving, no more flaring....

also in the PS, do you use Type F or the high temp ATF?
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I've never had a flare lol.

I used the high temp. I figured the more FM/AW additives the better in the PS.
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@ flares


I might add some D4 in there (transmission) LOL...
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I might add some D4 in there (transmission) LOL...
I hope you don't accidentally "spill" some in the power steering.
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LOL haha
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Knowing Anil, he'll probably spill some into his radiator.
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Matt, would you attribute the stock fluid to why the oem o rings fail so effing quickly? I had a bad leak that required total rebuild (I had a DIY thread on it) on a car that was only 7 years old with under 70K at the time. I thought that was pretty early for the need to rebuild it.

I won't pretend to know specs on anything, but figured off the top of your head you could give a rudimentary explanation on why it happens and why it'd be better to do this.
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Matt, would you attribute the stock fluid to why the oem o rings fail so effing quickly? I had a bad leak that required total rebuild (I had a DIY thread on it) on a car that was only 7 years old with under 70K at the time. I thought that was pretty early for the need to rebuild it.

I won't pretend to know specs on anything, but figured off the top of your head you could give a rudimentary explanation on why it happens and why it'd be better to do this.
I wish I could say but I don't know enough about the stock fluid's chemistry. All I know is it's viscosity (which is very close to the high temp ATF) and that it has more zinc than most others. It's very possible though. It could be the base oil or any of the additives. ATF has seal swell agents which *should* increase the life of the seals but there's no way to know for sure unless I make it past 200,000 miles and even then it's just one car so the sample size it too small to say anything for sure. I will say that an AT is full of rubber seals where the powersteering doesn't have nearly as much.

Many PS systems use ATF anyway. One reason I like it is the conditions in the transmission are a lot harder on the oil than the power steering so having a little overkill is rarely a bad thing.

The other thing is that at least in my experience O-rings seal better under pressure than on a vacuum. Technically a vacuum will still have pressure on the other side of it depending on how you look at it. I've never seen anything stating this as a fact but that's what I've experienced.
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Originally Posted by rockstar143
... would you attribute the stock fluid to why the oem o rings fail so effing quickly? ... on a car that was only 7 years old with under 70K at the time. ...
How many times, if any, was the PSF changed in 7 years? any oil is going to deteriorate (well, the additives will) over time, and a non-synthetic oil will deteriorate faster - so what seems to be the discussion in this thread is non-synthetic oil (Honda OEM) vs. synthetic (RedLine ATF).

And non-synthetic oil is subject to faster deterioration under high heat and pressure (1300psi for a steering rack). Once the oil deteriorates, the rubber seals harden and begin to leak.

Even the RedLine synthetic PSF used in my 98 Chevy truck turns very dark after only 10K miles and a couple of years of use (city driving mostly). City driving, and many more turns than highway driving, is much harder on the PS unit and fluid.

This picture shows what happens when the seals harden enough to actually wear metal. And IF you don't want to use a synthetic PSF, then consider changing the PS fluid often, and adding an inline filter, such as the MagneFine.
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^^^ after reading your sig, I can say that you are meticulous about your car maintenance....
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The only thing that sig screams to me is paranoia.
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There's a whole lot of safety wiring going on.
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No sir, at that point it definitely hadn't been done ever, that's great information!
Thanks to you both for answering my question.

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There's a whole lot of safety wiring going on.
indeed.. like a spiders web.
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Originally Posted by Majofo
The only thing that sig screams to me is paranoia.
Originally Posted by I hate cars
There's a whole lot of safety wiring going on.
When there is a good reason for caution, I don't consider it paranoia. My wife and sister choose to drive down 20 mile one-way dirt roads in areas of Arizona, New Mexico, Utah, etc. where there is no cell phone service, and rarely others around, just to see what is at the end of the dirt road. And that is done in a 2009 RDX, not exactly an off-road ready vehicle.

My wife seems to think that she can just call AAA from anywhere - but I am concerned that eventually she (and my sister) are going to be stuck where they have to walk out, and neither is in shape to do that (and neither am I for that matter - but they don't invite me along).

So anything I can do to maybe avoid a vehicle breakdown, I just consider a preventative measure - I don't trust the dealer to tighten drain plugs, and I don't even trust myself not to forget to tighen them - so its safety wire on all critical fluid containers.

And that is way off topic for this thread, but you guys started it


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