Is it possible to steal our TL's using this method?
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Is it possible to steal our TL's using this method?
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From: Sector 001
Originally Posted by masterbyte
From the link:
...<snip> For the past few years, Bay Area cops have pursued a ring of thieves that break into Hondas and Acuras with “jiggle” keys – keys with the teeth shaved down so they can turn the tumblers inside any car’s door lock. After the thieves gain access, they shuffle through the glove compartment and snatch the manual, where dealers – unbeknownst to many car owners – often leave an extra valet key.
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Earl Hyser, the superintendant of State Farm Insurance’s Vehicle Research Facility, told me that some transponder-equipped cars came with a secret “cheat” code designed to allow people who lose their keys to drive back to the shop.
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He called an acquaintance who worked at a Honda dealership. I listened, awestruck, as Montes fed the guy a barely credible story about a cousin who had dropped his keys down a sewer. The dealership employee was at home but evidently could access the Honda database online. I gave Honky’s VIN to Montes, who passed it along to his friend. We soon had the prescribed sequence of pulls, which I scribbled down in my notebook.
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After my second attempt, Honky’s hybrid engine awoke with its customary whisper.
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Earl Hyser, the superintendant of State Farm Insurance’s Vehicle Research Facility, told me that some transponder-equipped cars came with a secret “cheat” code designed to allow people who lose their keys to drive back to the shop.
<snip>
He called an acquaintance who worked at a Honda dealership. I listened, awestruck, as Montes fed the guy a barely credible story about a cousin who had dropped his keys down a sewer. The dealership employee was at home but evidently could access the Honda database online. I gave Honky’s VIN to Montes, who passed it along to his friend. We soon had the prescribed sequence of pulls, which I scribbled down in my notebook.
<snip>
After my second attempt, Honky’s hybrid engine awoke with its customary whisper.
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Originally Posted by A_UFO
From the link:
...<snip> For the past few years, Bay Area cops have pursued a ring of thieves that break into Hondas and Acuras with “jiggle” keys – keys with the teeth shaved down so they can turn the tumblers inside any car’s door lock.
...<snip> For the past few years, Bay Area cops have pursued a ring of thieves that break into Hondas and Acuras with “jiggle” keys – keys with the teeth shaved down so they can turn the tumblers inside any car’s door lock.
Originally Posted by A_UFO
From the link:
After the thieves gain access, they shuffle through the glove compartment and snatch the manual, where dealers – unbeknownst to many car owners – often leave an extra valet key.
After the thieves gain access, they shuffle through the glove compartment and snatch the manual, where dealers – unbeknownst to many car owners – often leave an extra valet key.
Originally Posted by A_UFO
From the link:
<snip>
He called an acquaintance who worked at a Honda dealership. I listened, awestruck, as Montes fed the guy a barely credible story about a cousin who had dropped his keys down a sewer. The dealership employee was at home but evidently could access the Honda database online. I gave Honky’s VIN to Montes, who passed it along to his friend. We soon had the prescribed sequence of pulls, which I scribbled down in my notebook.
<snip>
He called an acquaintance who worked at a Honda dealership. I listened, awestruck, as Montes fed the guy a barely credible story about a cousin who had dropped his keys down a sewer. The dealership employee was at home but evidently could access the Honda database online. I gave Honky’s VIN to Montes, who passed it along to his friend. We soon had the prescribed sequence of pulls, which I scribbled down in my notebook.
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Heh heh. I dont keep the owners manual in the glove box.... While you guys are at it, make sure you remove the card in the owners manual with the radio anti-theft code.
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Originally Posted by trancemission
meh, if they want my freakin car that bad they can have it. as longs as my family aint in it.
I blame the insurance companies!!!!
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Originally Posted by Black_05_TL_6SP
The problem is if they do get it, and the insurance company denies your claim, then your out the repairs(least) or worse if the car was completly striped and unrepairable you are out the value of the car!!
Really though the point I was going for is, if somebody is going to go to that extreme to get your car its best to just let them take it. I know theres alot of aftermath but I would much rather go through that then sit in front of a jury trying to convince them why I capped someone...
EDIT: oh yeah, thanks for the Birthday wish my friend
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Originally Posted by trancemission
If someone stole my car I cant imagine why my insurance wouldnt claim it.
Really though the point I was going for is, if somebody is going to go to that extreme to get your car its best to just let them take it. I know theres alot of aftermath but I would much rather go through that then sit in front of a jury trying to convince them why I capped someone...
EDIT: oh yeah, thanks for the Birthday wish my friend
Really though the point I was going for is, if somebody is going to go to that extreme to get your car its best to just let them take it. I know theres alot of aftermath but I would much rather go through that then sit in front of a jury trying to convince them why I capped someone...
EDIT: oh yeah, thanks for the Birthday wish my friend
The car can be replaced, its just the hassle of going through all the work to get it taken care of. Now that I know about this, I can come up with a way to help reduce the risk of this happening. I have thought of something we can do as Honda owners to pretty much eliminate them using the factory bypass method.
Your welcome, and hope you have a great day today.
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When an 'unstealable' car is stolen, the insurance companies seem like they look at the owner of the car as the culprit in trying to get rid of the car (and payments) on a car they don't want or can't afford anymore.
When my friends car was stolen (and never recovered), the insurance company requested that he take a polygraph test before they pay the claim to make sure he did not assist in the theft of the car. Mind you he is a normal guy that never made a claim against his insurance, had a clean driving/criminal record and had money in his bank accounts. He had no need to get rid of his car but they still wanted him to jump throught those hoops and looked at him as a possible suspect.
When my friends car was stolen (and never recovered), the insurance company requested that he take a polygraph test before they pay the claim to make sure he did not assist in the theft of the car. Mind you he is a normal guy that never made a claim against his insurance, had a clean driving/criminal record and had money in his bank accounts. He had no need to get rid of his car but they still wanted him to jump throught those hoops and looked at him as a possible suspect.
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From: Alabama
Originally Posted by davenlei
When an 'unstealable' car is stolen, the insurance companies seem like they look at the owner of the car as the culprit in trying to get rid of the car (and payments) on a car they don't want or can't afford anymore.
When my friends car was stolen (and never recovered), the insurance company requested that he take a polygraph test before they pay the claim to make sure he did not assist in the theft of the car. Mind you he is a normal guy that never made a claim against his insurance, had a clean driving/criminal record and had money in his bank accounts. He had no need to get rid of his car but they still wanted him to jump throught those hoops and looked at him as a possible suspect.
When my friends car was stolen (and never recovered), the insurance company requested that he take a polygraph test before they pay the claim to make sure he did not assist in the theft of the car. Mind you he is a normal guy that never made a claim against his insurance, had a clean driving/criminal record and had money in his bank accounts. He had no need to get rid of his car but they still wanted him to jump throught those hoops and looked at him as a possible suspect.
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Originally Posted by davenlei
When an 'unstealable' car is stolen, the insurance companies seem like they look at the owner of the car as the culprit in trying to get rid of the car (and payments) on a car they don't want or can't afford anymore.
Besides... Having your valet-key in the glove-box is not negligence. You have a reasonable expectation of privacy inside your car, especially your glove box. The fact that they got the valet key is irrelevant. The main issue is that they broke into the car in the first place.
That's like saying that a burglar burgled your home, took your car keys from your bedroom, then stole your car, and the insurance claiming you were negligent for not locking your keys in a safe.
...good point
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Secret Code = Bad Security
What I find ridiculous is that Honda/Acura have secret codes for being able to start the car without the key. 
What valid scenario should allow for the safe use of the secret code to start the car? NONE!
If I call any dealership and explain how I have manage to lose my keys, the dealership should say, tow the vehicle to us so we can make replacement keys. Be prepare to show proof of identification and ownership.
Identification can be your driver's license and/or SSN. Ownership can be the registration for the license plates which you have to keep in with the car.
What valid scenario should allow for the safe use of the secret code to start the car? NONE!
If I call any dealership and explain how I have manage to lose my keys, the dealership should say, tow the vehicle to us so we can make replacement keys. Be prepare to show proof of identification and ownership.
Identification can be your driver's license and/or SSN. Ownership can be the registration for the license plates which you have to keep in with the car.
checkmate...
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From: Red Stick, LA Chocolate City, LA
Originally Posted by A_UFO
What I find ridiculous is that Honda/Acura have secret codes for being able to start the car without the key.
And Honda is not the only manufacturer to do this.
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Did anyone notice something in the article? Geico, ESurance, Unitrin? These are discount insurance companies, no wonder they bail on the claim, you save on your premiums but get shafted on the coverage. I've never had a problem or heard of problems with State Farm.
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Originally Posted by mr.motoring
This method still requires a key copy or something that can turn the ignition cylinder on and off during the code input sequence.
And Honda is not the only manufacturer to do this.
And Honda is not the only manufacturer to do this.
checkmate...
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From: Red Stick, LA Chocolate City, LA
Originally Posted by A_UFO
Which makes a good point about there is no valid scenario to have this secret code of procedures to start the car.
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I'm a locksmith and have been for the past 10 years. I do all the auto work for my local Honda dealerships. Personally I have never heard of this "secret code". I know that they do require a PIN code in order to program a new key (access the computer). But as far as a bypass code is concerned this is the first. I'll give my guy at the dealership a call tomorrow morning and ask him about this.
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
Did anyone notice something in the article? Geico, ESurance, Unitrin? These are discount insurance companies, no wonder they bail on the claim, you save on your premiums but get shafted on the coverage. I've never had a problem or heard of problems with State Farm.
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Originally Posted by cTLgo
Did anyone notice something in the article? Geico, ESurance, Unitrin? These are discount insurance companies, no wonder they bail on the claim, you save on your premiums but get shafted on the coverage. I've never had a problem or heard of problems with State Farm.
Geico is far from being a discount insurance company. They are down right expensive. I personally have Progressive and save a great deal almost 1k being with them over geico.
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Originally Posted by JDM5lugHatch
I'm a locksmith and have been for the past 10 years. I do all the auto work for my local Honda dealerships. Personally I have never heard of this "secret code". I know that they do require a PIN code in order to program a new key (access the computer). But as far as a bypass code is concerned this is the first. I'll give my guy at the dealership a call tomorrow morning and ask him about this.
Most of the staff would require you have it towed there and then require proof of ownership. This is not a hoax, this is the real deal, this method can be used to steal the car.
Jason
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Originally Posted by Black_05_TL_6SP
It is confirmed, I went by Honda yesterday to pic up some things from a friend there. Honda DOES have a embedded brake code on the car. He even offered to get the code for me. They will not let this information out easily, but if a thief had access to a Honda/Acura computer system, they could get it. It just requires the VIN and that is it.
Most of the staff would require you have it towed there and then require proof of ownership. This is not a hoax, this is the real deal, this method can be used to steal the car.
Jason
Most of the staff would require you have it towed there and then require proof of ownership. This is not a hoax, this is the real deal, this method can be used to steal the car.
Jason
However, I just hung up the phone with my contacts at Acura and they verified that the bypass does exist and gave it to me. I'm gonna copy my key onto a standard keyblank and try it out.
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they can't have one unique sequence for every VIN. that don't make too much sense. they probably have a sequence for a batch of VINs together and just rotate them thru VIN blocks. you can't have that many different combo just using handbrake and key etc...
people that programmed this or dealership guys could probably leak them out ezly without trace back to them. well it's added security anyway. better than without....
people that programmed this or dealership guys could probably leak them out ezly without trace back to them. well it's added security anyway. better than without....
checkmate...
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From: Red Stick, LA Chocolate City, LA
Originally Posted by ttliang
they can't have one unique sequence for every VIN. that don't make too much sense. they probably have a sequence for a batch of VINs together and just rotate them thru VIN blocks. you can't have that many different combo just using handbrake and key etc...
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From: Lake Wylie
How to Steal Any Honda/Acura
Hook an old Nintento controller up to the steering column and quickly tap the following:
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, B, A, Start
Voila! The car starts, and you're off to the races!!
Up, Up, Down, Down, Left, Right, Left, Right, B, A, B, A, Start
Voila! The car starts, and you're off to the races!!
Ryan Christopher
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From: Alabama
Originally Posted by chill_dog
If you hit Select before Start, your passenger gets 30, too!
This way you can take out the thieves!!!