Is it possible to get 300WHP on a NA setup with a 5k budget?
08-27-2013, 10:49 AM
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Is it possible to get 300WHP on a NA setup with a 5k budget?
Tittle pretty much sums it up. What I'm trying to accomplish is to get the 300WHP at the same cost of purchasing a supercharger without the necessary modification and labor costs. I would like to gradually increase HP gain and costs accordingly so I dont have sink all that money at once and see the car progress over the course of the next 2-3 years.
08-27-2013, 10:51 AM
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What are you starting with? 3.2 I assume...
08-27-2013, 10:55 AM
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Yeah I am, I am completely stock. The way I'm thinking about modding is like this.
1st mod-TB Spacer
2nd mod-CAI
3rd mod-3.7 TB and so on...
something like this where the cost steadily goes up but so do the gains...
1st mod-TB Spacer
2nd mod-CAI
3rd mod-3.7 TB and so on...
something like this where the cost steadily goes up but so do the gains...
08-27-2013, 10:56 AM
#4
throttle body spacers dont do jack.
and sadly, for an NA automatic build with a budget of $5k, you would have to do serious engine work.
fuck the bolt ons...they will only get you so far.
the best platforms to get to 300whp are the 6MT TL Type-S and maybe the base 6MT.
if you're auto, forget about it.
and sadly, for an NA automatic build with a budget of $5k, you would have to do serious engine work.
fuck the bolt ons...they will only get you so far.
the best platforms to get to 300whp are the 6MT TL Type-S and maybe the base 6MT.
if you're auto, forget about it.
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08-27-2013, 11:00 AM
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Lol.
1. jpipe - $450
2. pcd - $400
3. catback - $1200
4. zdx/3.7 mods - $600
5. 4" intake - $100
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6. tuning solution - $1500
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7. cams - $xxxx
And I agree. Bolt on's + SC + tune.
1. jpipe - $450
2. pcd - $400
3. catback - $1200
4. zdx/3.7 mods - $600
5. 4" intake - $100
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6. tuning solution - $1500
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7. cams - $xxxx
And I agree. Bolt on's + SC + tune.
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08-27-2013, 11:05 AM
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You're not going to get a 3.2 to 300 with those mods though. LEast not IMO.
08-27-2013, 11:10 AM
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I actually can't remember.
Autos are like 220WHP. Manuals are like 230WHP?
Probably wrong though. Lol
Autos are like 220WHP. Manuals are like 230WHP?
Probably wrong though. Lol
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08-27-2013, 11:11 AM
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I didn't want to drop that kind of money at once and the point of the performance build was to gradually increase the costs of the mods over time with some gains along the way. A S/C would be the final performance mod for my car.
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08-27-2013, 11:13 AM
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Crank doesn't mean squat.
Do the standard bolt ons that I listed. And stop at #6. Then save up for that SC and it's supporting mods. Meth, etc. The bolt ons you already have will help the SC in the end.
You'll enjoy the bolt-ons as you go. Especially once you get tuned. Then blowing it can be the last thing you do.
That is what my plan has always been. Standard bolt ons. Tuning solution. Then picking up one of those comptech units for cheap.
Do the standard bolt ons that I listed. And stop at #6. Then save up for that SC and it's supporting mods. Meth, etc. The bolt ons you already have will help the SC in the end.
You'll enjoy the bolt-ons as you go. Especially once you get tuned. Then blowing it can be the last thing you do.
That is what my plan has always been. Standard bolt ons. Tuning solution. Then picking up one of those comptech units for cheap.
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08-27-2013, 11:16 AM
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Ok so this is a good start, now second question is where to begin. I have a certain way I like to mod, I like to concentrate on particular areas then when that particular area is complete I start from the bottom and move up on the next area. Is it better to start at the intake/fuel area or exhaust? Or do you guys think its better to mod in combo areas. So for instance if if I get a CAI would i then buy a a 3.7 TB or a PCD?
08-27-2013, 11:17 AM
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Exhaust first. CAI doesn't do much but make noise.
Do them in the order I listed. IMO.
If you wanna be boss. Just order the entire exhaust from RV6 at once. PCD/JPIPE/TD
Do them in the order I listed. IMO.
If you wanna be boss. Just order the entire exhaust from RV6 at once. PCD/JPIPE/TD
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08-27-2013, 11:19 AM
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Ok so this is a good start, now second question is where to begin. I have a certain way I like to mod, I like to concentrate on particular areas then when that particular area is complete I start from the bottom and move up on the next area. Is it better to start at the intake/fuel area or exhaust? Or do you guys think its better to mod in combo areas. So for instance if if I get a CAI would i then buy a a 3.7 TB or a PCD?
3.7 intake manifold and throttle body
4inch intake.
lol mahar spelled it out for you.....
it would be pointless if you bought a AEM v2 CAI and then upgraded to the 3.7 intake manifold.
because we've found gains by upping to a 4 inch intake.
08-27-2013, 11:26 AM
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No problem. 
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08-27-2013, 11:30 AM
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I felt that mentioning PnP anything would just muddy up the convo. Lol
And even with that and the mods listed I'm not sure he'd get 300 NA.
And even with that and the mods listed I'm not sure he'd get 300 NA.
08-27-2013, 11:37 AM
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lol
I love cars is actually writing up a thread about engine work.
he has ported heads and will give a detailed explanation on everything he has done.
granted he has a type-s 6mt, but he's well into the 320wheel horsepower range but he's also spent more than $5k
08-27-2013, 08:45 PM
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j35a8 making over 320whp, but keep in mind this is fully built internals too
This is a picture of a LA Sleeve(left), versus a Darton Sleeve. You can see why I went with LA Sleeves. Note: these are Subaru STI sleeves. They are just for reference.
After the stock cylinders are honed and the tops cut out, the sleeves get slid in.
the end results.
This is a picture of a LA Sleeve(left), versus a Darton Sleeve. You can see why I went with LA Sleeves. Note: these are Subaru STI sleeves. They are just for reference.
After the stock cylinders are honed and the tops cut out, the sleeves get slid in.
the end results.
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08-28-2013, 06:22 AM
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Very possible to get up to 300whp with a $5000 budget NA... Hate when ppl stray from the topic n say FI when u clearly stated you wanted to do it NA....
08-28-2013, 07:36 AM
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^Just mentioning it's more easily obtained for a $5k budget.
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08-28-2013, 07:58 AM
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08-28-2013, 09:47 AM
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No way in hell you will be able to do a 3.2L @300whp for 5k.
Im barely over 300 whp @ 304 whp in a 3.5L with PCDs, CAI, J pipe, catback, pnp runners, 3.7L manifold, 3.7L TB and flashpro w/tune and thats right around $6,000 Not to mention when you approach you will want to think about a new clutch, motor mounts etc which will run you another $3,000. Headwork alone is going to cost an arm and a leg then cams which will be around another $1,300 with valvetrain before installation.
Its a very hard motor to pull power out of unless you have some coin to drop.
Im barely over 300 whp @ 304 whp in a 3.5L with PCDs, CAI, J pipe, catback, pnp runners, 3.7L manifold, 3.7L TB and flashpro w/tune and thats right around $6,000 Not to mention when you approach you will want to think about a new clutch, motor mounts etc which will run you another $3,000. Headwork alone is going to cost an arm and a leg then cams which will be around another $1,300 with valvetrain before installation.
Its a very hard motor to pull power out of unless you have some coin to drop.
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08-28-2013, 09:48 AM
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PCD's, J pipe, catback, pulley, 3.7 top swap, ported runners, 4" intake, Flash Pro. That's a little over 4k, including getting the FP tuned and you'll probably be lucky to break 250 whp.
Of course at that point, you could always throw caution to the wind and add a 50 wet shot, come in right around budget, and be pretty damn close to your goal.
Of course at that point, you could always throw caution to the wind and add a 50 wet shot, come in right around budget, and be pretty damn close to your goal.
08-28-2013, 07:18 PM
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PCD's, J pipe, catback, pulley, 3.7 top swap, ported runners, 4" intake, Flash Pro. That's a little over 4k, including getting the FP tuned and you'll probably be lucky to break 250 whp.
Of course at that point, you could always throw caution to the wind and add a 50 wet shot, come in right around budget, and be pretty damn close to your goal.
Of course at that point, you could always throw caution to the wind and add a 50 wet shot, come in right around budget, and be pretty damn close to your goal.
08-28-2013, 07:25 PM
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Not sure if hes auto or 6mt.. if 6mt it would be a tad easier (not easy but easier)... 1st off, most ppl buy those 3.7 manifolds for like $500+ when they can be found on car-part.com for like $125+-.... You can find ppl selling pcd for like $250, test pipe can be made at any exhaust shop, you can get a stainless catback piping (bent for the tl) for like $320.. all that n i havent broken $1000 yet... Again, you just have to know how to search, get deals and not only think there is only one path way to moddingd
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08-28-2013, 07:29 PM
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Not sure if hes auto or 6mt.. if 6mt it would be a tad easier (not easy but easier)... 1st off, most ppl buy those 3.7 manifolds for like $500+ when they can be found on car-part.com for like $125+-.... You can find ppl selling pcd for like $250, test pipe can be made at any exhaust shop, you can get a stainless catback piping (bent for the tl) for like $320.. all that n i havent broken $1000 yet... Again, you just have to know how to search, get deals and only think there is only one path way to modding...
and will never hit above 270whp with all those mods, he'll need to do engine work.
08-28-2013, 07:43 PM
#40
I agree... 300whp will be a stretch for an auto... I will be doing a 300whp budget but clean modding in a few and ill be content on falling 10whp short of that goal lmfao... I did not know he was an automatic.... I have nothing to say about that part lol
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