View Poll Results: Who Wins? 550i or Moded 02TLS?
i550 Wins
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87.50%
02TLS Wins
5
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Too Close to Call
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Poll: Who Wins 550i vs 02 TLS?
12-22-2008, 04:35 PM
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Poll: Who Wins 550i vs 02 TLS?
Poll: 550i vs 02 TLS
I typically don't car for the standard "who would win" questions as most are trying to get some comfort that they'd win before they run someone.
This is not one of those cases, those that have been around know that I like a challenge and will run just about anything . . . even when I know I'll get smoked just so I can see what they can do.
Anyway, this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such. I'll post results next week.
Since no one knows whom you voted for there's no reason not to vote.
Here are my mods to help with the outcome.
02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH
(**before headers, CAT, IMMs & BBTBs and tranny #3)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF -
P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
(used Ziex 512s track only)
CT Icebox, RamAir, Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts
BBTBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008
Ruf
I typically don't car for the standard "who would win" questions as most are trying to get some comfort that they'd win before they run someone.
This is not one of those cases, those that have been around know that I like a challenge and will run just about anything . . . even when I know I'll get smoked just so I can see what they can do.
Anyway, this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such. I'll post results next week.
Since no one knows whom you voted for there's no reason not to vote.
Here are my mods to help with the outcome.
02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH
(**before headers, CAT, IMMs & BBTBs and tranny #3)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF -
P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
(used Ziex 512s track only)
CT Icebox, RamAir, Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts
BBTBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008
Ruf
12-22-2008, 06:02 PM
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12-22-2008, 06:05 PM
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Well . . . you need to check out the Motor Mounts thread for details.
In short, they really improve the performance and would be a must have for serious modders.
The downside is that we are still having issues with reliability and excessive vibrations with the rear mount. The 3rd gen front is doing well . . . but don't do anything with out PMing me first.
Ruf
In short, they really improve the performance and would be a must have for serious modders.
The downside is that we are still having issues with reliability and excessive vibrations with the rear mount. The 3rd gen front is doing well . . . but don't do anything with out PMing me first.
Ruf
12-22-2008, 06:06 PM
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RUF- I admire you entertaining the idea of takin on the 550i- I just hope you dont have any $$$ involved.-Keep us updated and good luck man, you do have an impressive list of mods...but it is a 550
12-22-2008, 06:09 PM
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With no intentions of being an ass...you will get smoked, end of story.
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12-22-2008, 08:38 PM
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12-22-2008, 09:41 PM
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torque wins you lose
12-23-2008, 12:18 AM
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A 14.5@96mph vs a 14.0@100mph. Sounds like the Bimmer will win by about 5 carlengths.
If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings.
I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S.
Has this race happened already?
If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings.
I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S.
Has this race happened already?
12-23-2008, 01:09 AM
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From Car and Driver,
"The 550i does not suffer from a power shortage. With a 0-to-60 time of 5.2 seconds and a quarter-mile run of 13.7 at 104 mph"
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-4.html
"The 550i does not suffer from a power shortage. With a 0-to-60 time of 5.2 seconds and a quarter-mile run of 13.7 at 104 mph"
http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...st+page-4.html
12-23-2008, 01:23 AM
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Instructor
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=63906
The member (grogan545) is a very experienced driver so it definitely helps.
You're kidding, right? I raced my friend '08 6-speed TL-S and practically raped him. Granted my car is not stock but I doubt the result would be much different with a stock car.
12-23-2008, 06:25 AM
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A 14.5@96mph vs a 14.0@100mph. Sounds like the Bimmer will win by about 5 carlengths.
If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings.
I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S.
Has this race happened already?
If your times are before the TBs, cats, and headers, you definately have a fighting chance. Throw some tire on there and you will probably hurt his feelings.
I do find it funny how posters on here act as if the 550 is a 12 second car. It's about as fast as a stock 6mt TL-S.
Has this race happened already?
Torque+RWD=Win.
12-23-2008, 08:09 AM
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Having driven both the 545i and 550i, both will make short work of the 02-03 TL-S, as the only bolt ons that would make it competetive with the latter is a supercharger. Non-FI bolt ons will only serve to lessen the margin of victory (slightly) for the 550i.
(Sidenote: An 07-08 TL-S 6MT would make for an interesting race with the 545i though.)
(Sidenote: An 07-08 TL-S 6MT would make for an interesting race with the 545i though.)
12-23-2008, 08:12 AM
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Mark,
I have run you (you kicked my @$$), but I give it to the 550.
I think he has the TQ and cylinders to beat you.
You are one of the quickes NA 2nd gens out there, but I think it is a mismatch.
Sorry man.
I have run you (you kicked my @$$), but I give it to the 550.
I think he has the TQ and cylinders to beat you.
You are one of the quickes NA 2nd gens out there, but I think it is a mismatch.
Sorry man.
12-23-2008, 09:45 AM
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The 550i is a high to low 13s car depends on the driver. I won't even mention the numbers from various magazines. Guys on e60 forum consistently get low 13s, below is one of the best times.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=63906
The member (grogan545) is a very experienced driver so it definitely helps.
You're kidding, right? I raced my friend '08 6-speed TL-S and practically raped him. Granted my car is not stock but I doubt the result would be much different with a stock car.
http://forums.e60.net/index.php?showtopic=63906
The member (grogan545) is a very experienced driver so it definitely helps.
You're kidding, right? I raced my friend '08 6-speed TL-S and practically raped him. Granted my car is not stock but I doubt the result would be much different with a stock car.
You do say it ranges from high to low 13s so 14.0 would be on the slow end but entirely possible. With the better trap speeds of 105mph as stated, I doubt low 13s is normal on street tire.
12-23-2008, 02:13 PM
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My times are before all those mods
I've been dying to get to the track and get some actually results. All I can say is it's much faster . . 
I've already beaten some cars that I would have thought are technically faster, but lost because of drive skills. Case in point, I've already beat a guy in his Dodge Hemi Daytona and embarassed a 3G TL and easily pulled on a 330i. So one might think that my TLS will post faster times at the track, but that's not necessarily so. Let's say my run with the 550i is a win or close, it would be foolish to say that my TLS is mid 13sec car . . . I've always contended that any car within a 1sec or less of my time is fair game and a drivers race.
. . . and has the race already happened . . . ah
yes. I'll post the results after a few more get to place their bets. I still can't belive that so few on the TL side have so little faith. 
Ruf
12-23-2008, 03:01 PM
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By the "sound" of your post (context, can't hear it lol), it seemed you put up a good fight or possibly even won. If this is the case, and I'm shocked because those cars have buttloads more power AND are RWD.
Since you're on "tranny #3" it's safe to say you are auto. Given the long gears of the auto in the TL-s, I still have a hard time seeing a chance for you, especially given your trap speed. A 10mph difference in trap speed is HUGE. And even though that was before your TB (throttle body?), headers, and random technology cat, those mods will not give you 10mph or even close to it..even though I know headers do a lot for that car.
I'm not bashing your car I particularly like the 2nd gen TL-s, I think it's very sexy..either way let us know the results!
You are one of the few that has asked a "who would win" question and actually has an answer! I was gonna make a thread too of my car vs. a 192whp gsr but I figured I'd just find out myself.. 
Age: 48...and still love the car and race. Thumbs up to that!
and I'm shocked because those cars have buttloads more power AND are RWD. Since you're on "tranny #3" it's safe to say you are auto. Given the long gears of the auto in the TL-s, I still have a hard time seeing a chance for you, especially given your trap speed. A 10mph difference in trap speed is HUGE. And even though that was before your TB (throttle body?), headers, and random technology cat, those mods will not give you 10mph or even close to it..even though I know headers do a lot for that car.
I'm not bashing your car I particularly like the 2nd gen TL-s, I think it's very sexy..either way let us know the results!
You are one of the few that has asked a "who would win" question and actually has an answer! I was gonna make a thread too of my car vs. a 192whp gsr but I figured I'd just find out myself.. Age: 48...and still love the car and race. Thumbs up to that!
12-23-2008, 04:45 PM
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Gotta love those that are paper racing. Real world is much different than what some magazine and the average driver usually do. Ive run with cars that should pull me but didnt.
It will be closer than some make it out to be but i think the 550 will edge out.
It will be closer than some make it out to be but i think the 550 will edge out.
12-23-2008, 04:49 PM
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12-23-2008, 05:39 PM
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I've already beaten some cars that I would have thought are technically faster, but lost because of drive skills. Case in point, I've already beat a guy in his Dodge Hemi Daytona and embarassed a 3G TL and easily pulled on a 330i. So one might think that my TLS will post faster times at the track, but that's not necessarily so. Let's say my run with the 550i is a win or close, it would be foolish to say that my TLS is mid 13sec car . . . I've always contended that any car within a 1sec or less of my time is fair game and a drivers race.
. . . and has the race already happened . . . ah yes. I'll post the results after a few more get to place their bets. I still can't belive that so few on the TL side have so little faith.
Ruf
. . . and has the race already happened . . . ah
yes. I'll post the results after a few more get to place their bets. I still can't belive that so few on the TL side have so little faith. Ruf
. However, based on your original post "this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such.", the key word "these cars are capable of" doesn't merit a driver's race.
I always say that anything is possible in a street race since reaction time is critical. I definitely give you
for trying, win or lose.
12-23-2008, 06:03 PM
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damn it post the results already hahaha...i guess the bottom line is, we all know the 550i should win theoretically but in the real world anything can happen..and it seems like you won!
12-23-2008, 06:06 PM
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Sorry for hurting you feeling .
However, based on your original post "this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such.", the key word "these cars are capable of" doesn't merit a driver's race.
I always say that anything is possible in a street race since reaction time is critical. I definitely give you for trying, win or lose.
. However, based on your original post "this is a poll to see who really knows what these cars are capable of, or a clouded by trade rag press and stats of who's got more HP and such.", the key word "these cars are capable of" doesn't merit a driver's race.
I always say that anything is possible in a street race since reaction time is critical. I definitely give you
for trying, win or lose.
In regard to the "capable of", I should have made it more clear that the reference is to what our cars/engines are capable of achieving NA without needing a S/C, Turbo or NOS.
I've got more than bolt on mods, but it's all NA. I just don't know what those mods would show on a dyno. If cash becomes a non issue I'll do one as I'm really interested in finding out what it's putting out.
Ruf
12-23-2008, 06:07 PM
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I googled the 1/4 times and looked at the first hit that came up which was 14.0@100mph. I'm not familiar with these cars because I only keep up with what could be a potential good race for my GN. I don't race the TL.
You do say it ranges from high to low 13s so 14.0 would be on the slow end but entirely possible. With the better trap speeds of 105mph as stated, I doubt low 13s is normal on street tire.
You do say it ranges from high to low 13s so 14.0 would be on the slow end but entirely possible. With the better trap speeds of 105mph as stated, I doubt low 13s is normal on street tire.
Of course your GN is on a different league. A friend of mine drag race as a hobby (Capital Speedway in Maryland). I've seen him run 1/4 mile in 11.x sec in his GN
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12-23-2008, 07:01 PM
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14 sec is certainly possible. The guys that get the best time are the ones who master the optimum rpm for the launch and shift point (so the rev limiter doesn't kick in). My point is you used the 550i's slowest time for comparison.
Of course your GN is on a different league. A friend of mine drag race as a hobby (Capital Speedway in Maryland). I've seen him run 1/4 mile in 11.x sec in his GN
Of course your GN is on a different league. A friend of mine drag race as a hobby (Capital Speedway in Maryland). I've seen him run 1/4 mile in 11.x sec in his GN
12-23-2008, 07:14 PM
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12-23-2008, 07:21 PM
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12-24-2008, 03:22 PM
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12-24-2008, 03:23 PM
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12-24-2008, 03:25 PM
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It seems that the CL guys are more in tune.
6 - 550i
4 - TLS
1 - too close
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12-24-2008, 05:42 PM
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I think the reason why the CL guys are "more in tune" is because they seem to be better than us. Just look at their 1/4 mile thread, all of them are very good times and a lot of them are running 13's with basic mods, even with the 5AT.
12-27-2008, 12:47 AM
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I know there are some serious modders on the TL side, but I tend to spend more time posting over there.
Anyway, I've got some results to post tomorrow.
Ruf