I went by the dealership today to make an appointment for the timing belt tensioner recall, oil change, etc. I usually go in person so I can insure a decent loaner. Got my appt for next Fri, 04 TL for a loaner, so I was happy. At least, I was until I stopped into the showroom to shoot the bull with the guy I bought my TL from. He insisted that I look at a new TL/Navi ( Anth/quartz). We are in negotiation. I only have 8500 miles on my 03. Hope I can take that hit.$$$$ Anyway, he offered 1200 off of MSRP with the protection pkg thrown in. He offered 1400 off on a non navi. Not happy with his first offer of 21000 for my 03, so that`s where we left it, for now. They are loaded with non-navis, only had 3 navis.
FWIW, he said the 05 RL will have 300HP and AWD. Who knows...

 

$1200 off for navi model is pretty good. You can do better than $1400 off non-navi though.