Dynoed my car tonight after the recent mods:..-Greddy Evo 2, Sun Auto kit, P2R spacer
254.7 whp....228-229ish torque..6-speed heaven
Temp: 58 degrees
My car made 242whp and 218 torque with just the intake..great improvement i would say...
The 242 was with the type-s wheels..the 254.7 was with 19x8.5 axis hiros = 27lb wheel..
I imagine with the type-s wheels i could see close to 260whp but that is unknown as of now..
I will try to post the dyno sheets later...ran my friends is350 afterwards and from 50 mph kick i pulled about 2 cars on him..

 

i like the many kills on the is350. you think if i get the ATLP exhaust, P2R spacer and w/ my Injen intake i'll dyno close to 270 whp or a little less? just curious.

 

no with those you will be between 240-250whp...

 

nice!! when are you bringing it to the track?

 

Find the numbers kind of inflated... But def need to see that sheet... Now buy my cats lmfao

 

I don't need to see the sheet. Great numbers, but don't hang your hat on them. Every dyno is unique, and seldom are they truely accurate.

So much of the dyno is in calibration, atmospheric conditions, and setup.

Comparing two different dyno pulls, even on the same machine, on different days is like comparing apples to oranges.

HP is measured on the 1/4 track, not a poorly maintained dyno machine operated by an untrained tech.

Back to back runs with the same dyno, on the same day, with same configuration is great way to measure "gains", but recognize, if your base run is inflated, so are your gains.

I don't buy dyno numbers... I know a good tech van make the dyno say anything you want it to say.

 

well the stock numbers were 224 whp so its about right...with just the intake it ran a 13.9 so the power is definatly there...the track is closed for the winter so ill have to wait till february...

 

yes you will

stock 5AT TL-S are capable of high 240's (again, depends on the dyno)

ATLP, CAI, UR Pulley, P2R Spacer ... i bet 260+ whp.... again, depends on the dyno

 

im glad you can see that...mine is with all of that except the pulley...i am getting flamed already for false numbers but hey its ok..im happy

 

some people can say "fake" numbers. but whatever, all dynos are different... and lots of factors....

the only thing i think a dyno is useful for, is doing a pull, adding an exhaust, and doing another pull a few minutes later.... different days & temp also play a HUGE role in #'s

 

 

i think the highest N/A TL 6MT was around 261whp, but im pretty sure they had the cats and/or pulley

 

well your TL is an 05, I have a 07 TLS which already is btw 240-250 stock, maybe you thought i had a base TL

 

i will be well over that with the e-shift cats...then its supercharger/reflash time..then i would guess around 350whp..--talk about a fast ass TL! i cant wait!

 

probably more about 330 cuz e-shift cats add about what 15-20 whp and s/c another 60...given your 254...254+20 (depending on dyno)+60 = 334. Still its a fast ass TL like you said.

 

what are the hp differences between Auto and stick on a dyno? is it alot or just a little? im kinda confused because i dont think a auto tls dynoed yet

 

eehhhh 350whp is pushing it.. MAYBE with a hondata reflash

our fastest member, was bklynpanman and i think maybe Dan K... around 321whp and they both had 6MT... but no hondata reflash...

 

its not so much HP increases.. but HP lost... drivetrain (Transmission) will lose power... the MT generally loses about 10-12% ..so if you've got a 300hp car, a 6MT will dyno like 265-270.. a 5AT will dyno less, like generally 15-18%.. because the torque converter sucks up power... and doesnt let it all flow to the wheels...

so a typical, 04-06 TL stock

5AT dynos around 202whp
6MT dynos around 220whp .. they both have 258hp to the crank, but the drivetrain loses power... its a complicated theory, but you can search the logistics behind it..

Yes, 6MT's are always faster the 5AT, but dont forget about driver error when shifting.. it usually compensates

the only reason, IMO, that types-09 has good numbers on the track is because he knows how to shift REALLY well... important part on 6MT drivers

 

so what do you think a TLS 5at would dyno at?

 

^^230whp would be my guess

 

Im guessing it'll be a little more then that with the mods i got

 

type s 6mt - 261 (with ur pulley and spacers)
type s 5at - 250 (with the same mods)

 

i need to dyno my car....right after al dyno his...

 

nice #'s.. But I mos def. agree with Kennedy. \

Dyno's really don't mean shit to me as well..

 

Good numbers David, I'm jealous!

 

Originally Posted by type-s09
i will be well over that with the e-shift cats...then its supercharger/reflash time..then i would guess around 350whp..--talk about a fast ass TL! i cant wait!
eehhhh 350whp is pushing it.. MAYBE with a hondata reflash

our fastest member, was bklynpanman and i think maybe Dan K... around 321whp and they both had 6MT... but no hondata reflash...

If you see on my previous post i did say 350whp with the reflash...
255 whp current
E-shift+25
Supercharger+65
Reflash+35
all =380whp...but that seems a lil high but thats what they "supposebly" make...i think 350whp is a conservative number

 

oh, and thats also with the HBP (high boost pulley)

the e-shift cats only yield 18hp on 6MT's, and like 15hp on 5AT's

if you are dead serious, and invest all the money for every possible option.... i could see close to 350whp

ACTROS, had 320whp with a 5AT, and NO reflash.. he also had a custom j-pipe

 

even if you do get 380 whp (given you do get 25 hp from e-shift cats, which is unlikely) w/ the 10-12% loss, you'd be getting 334-342 whp but most likely it'll fall in the range of 328-336 whp cuz again I haven't heard of anyone getting 25 whp form the cats, probably 15-20 and I calculated the second set of numbers assuming you get 18 from the cats. still you've got a crazy fast car.

 

It will def be a fast base tl...

us type s guys are going to have to step our game up lol... good luck with the charger and reflash

imo you should go for a gredddy ultimate and tune it that way disregard the reflash

 

^^ x2

unfortunately, theses no base map in greddy, so you would have to do some serious tuning

 

well i think im set with the reflash...its pretty amazing that they made 35 more whp out of the same boost...and thats over comptechs "tune"...there is not many people around that know how to tune hondas without speed density readings..most of the other "tuner" hondas do have speed density..it would be a first time thing for a tuner and i do not know if im willing to take that risk..especially with f/i

btw...my air/fuel readings were around 14.0...seems kinda lean to me but i think thats from the tb spacer

 

noob Question: what exactly is a reflash and what does it do?

 

E-shift said they'd do it... 30min drive from me
so if and when I decide to get the charger I am hoping I could make an appointment with them

 

What's the point, the suspension will not put it to the ground & the transmission gears will look like corn on the cob after dinner.

Honda already defanged the clutch in the 6spd"S" to save the plates & gearbox, so they are obviously telling you something about the cars inability to handle serious power.

 

^ WORD

BTW SAE corrected chassis dynos are all quite accurate and dont vary any significant amount.

A reflash of the OEM ecu (or any other fuel and ignition management system) is needed if installing a supercharger no matter what.

Does hondata offer a different reflash for the smaller charger pulley. I would think they would reflash the ecu with a map that can handle as much boost as you can generate with the supercharger and then the customer can change the setup without needing another reflash.

 

yo heres the dyno sheet..."SAE corrected" whp

 

yea i think about that shit all the time... even if you juice up these cars to 350-400+ whp, i dont think the trannys can handle it...

 

Your experience must be different than mine. I've been to dyno days where multiple cars were placed on the dyno multiple times and had 10% variances every time. i've seen this at two different dyno shops, both running Mustang Dynos... One at a VW event and one at a Harley event. Absolutlely no consistency in pulls.
I get a laugh at folks that get a good pull one time...

There's a reason you run three pulls and "keep the best" or "keep the lowest" at dyno competitons.

Bears comments are valid too... Curious how beefy the new 5AT is.

And you guys are summing the gains of a vaporware product. Show me a Hondata reflash for a TL-S with a supercharger. Neither a Suypercharger nor a Hondata flash have ever been demonstrated here.

 

Heres what 255 whp sounds like on a cold night...1st=worthless 2nd=a lot of tire spin..3rd=hearing a modded luxury sedan come by WOT- PRICELESS
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Erw0dP6rDW0

 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3loyevZGBUM

How many horses is the Teg making?