Never buying an Acura again
03-27-2011, 02:45 PM
#41
Sorry that you had the unfortunate ugly duckling. It sucks when everything seems to go wrong at once.
That said, I wouldn't slander an entire company because of one car. Even with as little as 24K miles on it, that's more than enough time for someone to abuse and neglect even standard maintenance.
That said, I wouldn't slander an entire company because of one car. Even with as little as 24K miles on it, that's more than enough time for someone to abuse and neglect even standard maintenance.
03-27-2011, 03:05 PM
#42
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Wow!! About 6 of issues above i have already been through with my car since i bought it 5 months ago. It's been only 5 months and next week i have to bring it in again because the car is steering to the right when trying to go straight. Turns out, the caster on the front right side is shorter than the left.
I love to driving the TL-S so for now whatever that can be done to fix it, I'm cool with it. Although, it is a little frustrating.
I love to driving the TL-S so for now whatever that can be done to fix it, I'm cool with it. Although, it is a little frustrating.
03-27-2011, 03:19 PM
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Not on paper anyways, bought it with a clean record through only 1 owner. Front bumper looks pretty clean, intact with body and matches perfectly.
Guy at the shop said they can't replace it either. So not even sure.
Guy at the shop said they can't replace it either. So not even sure.
03-28-2011, 12:47 PM
#49
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03-28-2011, 12:52 PM
#51
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03-28-2011, 01:01 PM
#52
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03-28-2011, 01:43 PM
#57
Burning Brakes
03-28-2011, 01:53 PM
#58
^+1 i was in the same boat with my 2006 TL i purchased it with 25k WDP it was in the best shape and lowest mileage of all the other TL's that they wanted .......way more for ..............
The first 2 years no issues regular maintenance......the past year 2010 i had plans on moding it out............money saved up to go the distance ...........
started with gas line issue dealer fixed .........coouple months down the line engine mount ....fixed 2 months later engine mount fixed .....still like owell............started hearing this sqweeky noise take it in the change the steering rack.............after i get it back from that job it started making this crazy sound when ou turned the car on and even louder when you try to turn the wheel that was the last draw..............
so you are not alone there ........good luck on whatever you choose from this point on .......i just got another acura but new this time................
The first 2 years no issues regular maintenance......the past year 2010 i had plans on moding it out............money saved up to go the distance ...........
started with gas line issue dealer fixed .........coouple months down the line engine mount ....fixed 2 months later engine mount fixed .....still like owell............started hearing this sqweeky noise take it in the change the steering rack.............after i get it back from that job it started making this crazy sound when ou turned the car on and even louder when you try to turn the wheel that was the last draw..............
so you are not alone there ........good luck on whatever you choose from this point on .......i just got another acura but new this time................
03-28-2011, 04:48 PM
#61
^+1 i was in the same boat with my 2006 TL i purchased it with 25k WDP it was in the best shape and lowest mileage of all the other TL's that they wanted .......way more for ..............
The first 2 years no issues regular maintenance......the past year 2010 i had plans on moding it out............money saved up to go the distance ...........
started with gas line issue dealer fixed .........coouple months down the line engine mount ....fixed 2 months later engine mount fixed .....still like owell............started hearing this sqweeky noise take it in the change the steering rack.............after i get it back from that job it started making this crazy sound when ou turned the car on and even louder when you try to turn the wheel that was the last draw..............
so you are not alone there ........good luck on whatever you choose from this point on .......i just got another acura but new this time................
The first 2 years no issues regular maintenance......the past year 2010 i had plans on moding it out............money saved up to go the distance ...........
started with gas line issue dealer fixed .........coouple months down the line engine mount ....fixed 2 months later engine mount fixed .....still like owell............started hearing this sqweeky noise take it in the change the steering rack.............after i get it back from that job it started making this crazy sound when ou turned the car on and even louder when you try to turn the wheel that was the last draw..............
so you are not alone there ........good luck on whatever you choose from this point on .......i just got another acura but new this time................
mounts- pretty common issue, not the best out there, and i have seen posted them going out at like 39k already
squeaky/noise- sounds like the p/s line along with the o-ring that there is a TSB about
basically the easiest way to put it, is that no car is perfect (how many different parts go into a car afterward.... something like 10,000+ especially on more "luxurious" cars, it's alot of parts to get "correct"
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03-28-2011, 05:37 PM
#63
Team Owner
septuple?
03-28-2011, 08:28 PM
#64
Instructor
Honda The Most Reliable Car Manufacturer!
Have a read folks, and buy the way, is this not the acura forum, who's side are you guys on anyway.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
03-28-2011, 08:32 PM
#65
Have a read folks, and buy the way, is this not the acura forum, who's side are you guys on anyway.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
with alot of luxary features, you barely see on honda's, but are standard features on Acura
03-28-2011, 08:35 PM
#66
iWhine S/C 6MT TL
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Have a read folks, and buy the way, is this not the acura forum, who's side are you guys on anyway.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
03-28-2011, 08:58 PM
#67
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Its all starting to add up honestly just a few weeks ago i was going to my car and i found a lemon on the floor that rolled down the hill from a supermarket...
03-28-2011, 09:07 PM
#68
Instructor
Sell It!!!
You could always sell it and get a pretty good buck for it, as resale values are one of the best in the industry as well. At least you have that on your side but good luck selling it now on this forum....
03-28-2011, 09:33 PM
#70
Team Owner
Have a read folks, and buy the way, is this not the acura forum, who's side are you guys on anyway.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/motoring/...ar-report.html
Buying a used vehicle is always tricky, you never know what abuse has been done to the vehicle when you purchase it, especially if it has come of a lease. So my comment about trading it in for a domestic or a VW I stand buy it and facts are facts.
That test did not include Domestics. Keep in mind in these surveys, the car only has to have a problem, any problem. So a Corvette with a burned out light would score the same as a TL with a junk transmission.... lets not forget the class action lawsuit and the near daily transmission failure thread around here.
I don't care for consumer reports but here you go: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...minate-pr.html
Asia in the lead, American right behind and ahead of Europe. The difference is very small these days so making these blanket statements likely based off of no first hand experience is misleading.
My experience having owned both, the imports seem to have less small things go wrong. Interiors seem to hold up better, they generally look better 10 years down the road but I haven't seen the number of large expensive failures in the Domestic stuff and they're usually cheaper to repair when stuff does go wrong. I think Asian imports are more reliable on average as long as you don't count Mitsubishi so I do agree with you but there's not this huge gap. Even though I grew up loving the old turbo awd DSMs, the reliability of most of their products is terrible. I've been very happy with my TL for the past 5 years but I'm not blind to other cars out there.
If you hate American cars or think they're ugly or whatever, fine, but the whole reliability excuse is becoming pretty pointless.
03-28-2011, 09:51 PM
#71
Instructor
Don't even compare!
Come on buddy you can't even compare the reliability of a Honda to any Domestics they are so far behind thats why there cars sell at at a discount and resale values are garbage. I know first hand and worked as a product development technologist and we manufactured parts for the big three which was our main customers. We could not meet Japanese specs it was impossible to produce material which would comply to there requirements. The only reason GM and Chrysler are still around is because the governments bailed them out. Also the governments falsly accused Toyota of faulty cars (recall) to get there money back from the bailout. They put the best engineers at work from Nasa and couldn't find any problems with Toyota vehicles. (sudden acceleration) all caused by floor mats which every manufacture has had recalls on.
03-28-2011, 10:02 PM
#72
How old are you, it's not about sides, it's about being open minded and not blinded by your favorite brand which is obvious. Being on an Acura forum does not mean you must take Acura's "side" in every discussion.
That test did not include Domestics. Keep in mind in these surveys, the car only has to have a problem, any problem. So a Corvette with a burned out light would score the same as a TL with a junk transmission.... lets not forget the class action lawsuit and the near daily transmission failure thread around here.
I don't care for consumer reports but here you go: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...minate-pr.html
Asia in the lead, American right behind and ahead of Europe. The difference is very small these days so making these blanket statements likely based off of no first hand experience is misleading.
My experience having owned both, the imports seem to have less small things go wrong. Interiors seem to hold up better, they generally look better 10 years down the road but I haven't seen the number of large expensive failures in the Domestic stuff and they're usually cheaper to repair when stuff does go wrong. I think Asian imports are more reliable on average as long as you don't count Mitsubishi so I do agree with you but there's not this huge gap. Even though I grew up loving the old turbo awd DSMs, the reliability of most of their products is terrible. I've been very happy with my TL for the past 5 years but I'm not blind to other cars out there.
If you hate American cars or think they're ugly or whatever, fine, but the whole reliability excuse is becoming pretty pointless.
That test did not include Domestics. Keep in mind in these surveys, the car only has to have a problem, any problem. So a Corvette with a burned out light would score the same as a TL with a junk transmission.... lets not forget the class action lawsuit and the near daily transmission failure thread around here.
I don't care for consumer reports but here you go: http://news.consumerreports.org/cars...minate-pr.html
Asia in the lead, American right behind and ahead of Europe. The difference is very small these days so making these blanket statements likely based off of no first hand experience is misleading.
My experience having owned both, the imports seem to have less small things go wrong. Interiors seem to hold up better, they generally look better 10 years down the road but I haven't seen the number of large expensive failures in the Domestic stuff and they're usually cheaper to repair when stuff does go wrong. I think Asian imports are more reliable on average as long as you don't count Mitsubishi so I do agree with you but there's not this huge gap. Even though I grew up loving the old turbo awd DSMs, the reliability of most of their products is terrible. I've been very happy with my TL for the past 5 years but I'm not blind to other cars out there.
If you hate American cars or think they're ugly or whatever, fine, but the whole reliability excuse is becoming pretty pointless.
03-28-2011, 10:14 PM
#73
Team Owner
Come on buddy you can't even compare the reliability of a Honda to any Domestics they are so far behind thats why there cars sell at at a discount and resale values are garbage. I know first hand and worked as a product development technologist and we manufactured parts for the big three which was our main customers. We could not meet Japanese specs it was impossible to produce material which would comply to there requirements. The only reason GM and Chrysler are still around is because the governments bailed them out. Also the governments falsly accused Toyota of faulty cars (recall) to get there money back from the bailout. They put the best engineers at work from Nasa and couldn't find any problems with Toyota vehicles. (sudden acceleration) all caused by floor mats which every manufacture has had recalls on.
So you're saying your company sucked so bad you could not meet OEM specs on a product? Good thing you didn't make aftermarket parts. You make it sound like the Japanese invented a new material which no one else can make. Give me a break. You're completely blind to anything but Asian imports.
The Government did not falsely accuse Toyota of anything. People were getting killed from unintended acceleration and it was investigated. If people were not dying, there would be no problems. I still don't believe it was floor mats for a second. You're saying a CHP officer could not turn a car off with over a minute to think about it? He couldn't pull a floor mat back with over a minute to do it. Get real. I truly believe it's a software glitch and will show itself again and unfortunately will be blamed on floor mats even when several of the cars had no floor mats in them. You honestly think this was a conspiracy by the Big 3 to take sales away from Toyota?
GM had a terrible business model and the problem was around unions and unsustainable benefits, not the quality of their products.
You may want to look past your nose at the financial problems of your own brand.... Honda and Toyota also asked for help as did the Europeans. The whole industry is in the toilet. Again, blinded by brand loyalty. http://www.newser.com/story/52383/ho...bandwagon.html
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...vention-71111/
Let's look at this for what it is. You worked for a company, probably on the assembly line or packaging and heard a few rumors from the big wigs that fit in with your views.
03-28-2011, 10:19 PM
#74
Team Owner
The DSMs will always be special to me because in the mid to late '90s when turbo technology was in it's infancy they were right there with us trying to go fast on as few parts and $$ as possible and always getting creative.
The Buschur guys were always setting new records. By chance I ended up in a random freeway race with one of their quickest cars at the time while cruising up in Ventura.
03-28-2011, 10:25 PM
#76
Team Owner
03-28-2011, 10:29 PM
#77
I like the Scoobies. All of my friends that own them, both turbo and NA have had very good things to say. It's ironic that the NA ones had the HG issues lol. I like the boxer engine in general anyway.
The DSMs will always be special to me because in the mid to late '90s when turbo technology was in it's infancy they were right there with us trying to go fast on as few parts and $$ as possible and always getting creative.
The Buschur guys were always setting new records. By chance I ended up in a random freeway race with one of their quickest cars at the time while cruising up in Ventura.
The DSMs will always be special to me because in the mid to late '90s when turbo technology was in it's infancy they were right there with us trying to go fast on as few parts and $$ as possible and always getting creative.
The Buschur guys were always setting new records. By chance I ended up in a random freeway race with one of their quickest cars at the time while cruising up in Ventura.
and the turbos did not go the 2.5 displacement till roughly 2004, AFTER most of the head gasket prone ones had been produced (let alone also using better head gaskets due to having to be able to couple with the additional boost)
and what also REALLY bite them in the ass too, is that they had tried using a single layer head gasket, which was not up to the task either (the updated gasket is a multi-layered one, and when repaired properly, the issue does not show back up)
and as far as those DSM's i like the 2g front suspension design
and yeah we don't get as much action out here lol, but subaru is big here though, kinda like the real 4x4 world (not the all "show" shit)
03-28-2011, 10:32 PM
#78
2017 TLX TECH V6
03-28-2011, 10:37 PM
#80
Instructor
And here you go off topic. We have: 1.Parts manufacturing. 2.Bailouts. 3.Conspiracy theories. 4.Stuck throttles. 5.Resale and sales. I thought this was about reliability.
So you're saying your company sucked so bad you could not meet OEM specs on a product? Good thing you didn't make aftermarket parts. You make it sound like the Japanese invented a new material which no one else can make. Give me a break. You're completely blind to anything but Asian imports.
The Government did not falsely accuse Toyota of anything. People were getting killed from unintended acceleration and it was investigated. If people were not dying, there would be no problems. I still don't believe it was floor mats for a second. You're saying a CHP officer could not turn a car off with over a minute to think about it? He couldn't pull a floor mat back with over a minute to do it. Get real. I truly believe it's a software glitch and will show itself again and unfortunately will be blamed on floor mats even when several of the cars had no floor mats in them. You honestly think this was a conspiracy by the Big 3 to take sales away from Toyota?
GM had a terrible business model and the problem was around unions and unsustainable benefits, not the quality of their products.
You may want to look past your nose at the financial problems of your own brand.... Honda and Toyota also asked for help as did the Europeans. The whole industry is in the toilet. Again, blinded by brand loyalty. http://www.newser.com/story/52383/ho...bandwagon.html
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...vention-71111/
Let's look at this for what it is. You worked for a company, probably on the assembly line or packaging and heard a few rumors from the big wigs that fit in with your views.
So you're saying your company sucked so bad you could not meet OEM specs on a product? Good thing you didn't make aftermarket parts. You make it sound like the Japanese invented a new material which no one else can make. Give me a break. You're completely blind to anything but Asian imports.
The Government did not falsely accuse Toyota of anything. People were getting killed from unintended acceleration and it was investigated. If people were not dying, there would be no problems. I still don't believe it was floor mats for a second. You're saying a CHP officer could not turn a car off with over a minute to think about it? He couldn't pull a floor mat back with over a minute to do it. Get real. I truly believe it's a software glitch and will show itself again and unfortunately will be blamed on floor mats even when several of the cars had no floor mats in them. You honestly think this was a conspiracy by the Big 3 to take sales away from Toyota?
GM had a terrible business model and the problem was around unions and unsustainable benefits, not the quality of their products.
You may want to look past your nose at the financial problems of your own brand.... Honda and Toyota also asked for help as did the Europeans. The whole industry is in the toilet. Again, blinded by brand loyalty. http://www.newser.com/story/52383/ho...bandwagon.html
http://www.gminsidenews.com/forums/f...vention-71111/
Let's look at this for what it is. You worked for a company, probably on the assembly line or packaging and heard a few rumors from the big wigs that fit in with your views.