anx1300c

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This quote from the BMW forum is priceless; I may have to sig it. In fact, I believe I'll do just that.

"Starting from the end of 3rd gear and up this car will turn into a highway monster or called "demon". It's so scary it won't be funny at all. It is the roll race where MS3 really shines. I am getting pulls that I have never felt in other cars."

erick3

back in the day when i closer to being stock, i lost to an auto TL-S 2nd gen. those things still hold their ground!!! but that's really besides the point...haha

erick3

Firstly...damn you guys really don't hold back. LOL

Secondly, mazdaspeed3god, i applaud you for keeping your kewl, despite some of the comments that other have posted! lol

Thirdly,

IllWill13

I have a 08 kbp type s 5SAT bone stock, and I raced a 09 MS3 stock last week at the track. I got him on the 1000ft then he took me. The second race I got him on 1st 2nd the he past me and beat me by a half car.

anx1300c

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That's what you get for racing a demon car.

phee

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see. this is proof that it can genuinely be a drivers race. i know that the MS3 i raced wasnt the newer generation so it didnt have "limited power in lower gears".

Half a car at the drag strip can be made up with the 6mt.

Rockstar21

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easily... especially with a good launch

alexSU

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+1

03blueTLtype-s

did you win the race

phee

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ill be online tonight again. im a halo fiend now

Majofo

It's a bit unfair to compare MS3 guy to MT.. MT was the biggest douchebag I've ever seen on the board. MS3 is just pestering us.. :shakehead

Rockstar21

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it gives us something to do, no?

Majofo

It does.. lol..

SatinSilverAV6

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Its only because MS3 is hiding his real identity.

phee

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so do we all agree that a tl-s 6mt can beat the ms3 through the 1/4?

all in favor say "aye"

Majofo

.. I mean :aye:

alexSU

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aye

and i think i can hang with one lol

Rockstar21

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aye... i'd even race the guy from a dig in my TL-P..

from all his BS about 1st through 3rd.. sounds like hes a terrible MT driver and i might take him lol

CocheseUGA

nom nom nom nom nom nom nom

jeowen

^ yuk looks like an akward 7 year old with HUGE braces, and I cant believe he said "supercar"

F23A4

The frontend takes some getting used to. But I do give Mazda some credit for trying to go in a direction different (re:pedestrian safety bumpers) than that of Mitsubishi or Audi.

godizus

cosign

Sonnick

LOL @ that pic. I think the Mazda 3 has a bigger mouth than Pam Oliver

Rockstar21

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looks like it belongs on disney's "Cars"

Rockstar21

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justinl401

LOL! good one, good one.

07tlsWDP

On the BMW forum..
Mazdaspeed3KING stated "the smiley face on the front end is the con but if u get the black one it hides it and the car will look like some supercar from different planet, it's an awesome feeling."

Didn't you post the same thing on this thread somewhere?..
haha..man I wanted a MS3 before considering the TL-S and I even test drove one. You sir, ruined the image of all MS3 owners.

mazdaspeed3God

Guys, that Mazdaspeed3King guy at bimmer forum isn't me. I don't know that guy. Whether you believe it or not isn't really my business..


Yes and no. MS3 isn't designed for 0-60 take off. It's the first three gears that's hurting the most on the MS3. Even with DSC off you still get power cut, both hp and torque substantially. Also the gears are so close together it requires 2 shifts to get past 60. It's the great disavantage for the MS3. You have to do roll race to see how the MS3 performs because you can better utilize the power it provides from the top of 3rd all the way to the 6th gear. If I remember correctly the TL/ TL-S 6MT gets full power with the traction control turned off, plus it has taller gears therefore it only requires one shift to get past 60. I am disappointed that you guys are not understanding this. I kind of understand you guys because you don't know much about how MS3's work. From roll MS3 will annihilate TL or TL-S 6MT say from 50~ 100 or 50~ 150+ or 60~ 125, 100~ 150+. MS3 will substantially be faster.

mazdaspeed3God

To be honest I think that is a great looking car. One day I parked next to what appeared to be an '07~'08 white Acura TL-S and when I came back out of the grocery store and looked at both cars from the distance and my MS3 stood out much more. I gave nod to my MS3. But the white TL-S didn't look too bad either. Before I got in my car I looked through the TL-S's passenger window only to find out it was an Auto... got me disappointed.

mazdaspeed3God

There's one of the members here named "JS + TL" who owned a 2nd gen TL (with some mods) but after he read some reviews and what people said about the MS3 he sold his TL and recently got himself a 2010 MS3. I saw him posting his new car and pics at the mazdaspeed3 forum and I tell you he couldn't be happier. He is one happy boy now and told us how much power he has gained from the new car. He said there was no comparison in power and handles like a true sportscar. I think he's running around at mazda forum right now. I don't know if he's still around in this forum or not.

SatinSilverAV6

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I think a TL-S 6MT would hold its own from a roll against the MS3 from 50MPH -110MPH. Once the TL-S shifts into 5th gear I WOULD expect the MS3 to pull on the TL-S due to much better gearing. The TL-S pulls hard 1-4th. 5th and 6th are for fuel economy and not racing. I guess until a roll race happends no one will know for sure.

Here is a video that shows a modded MS3 getting worked over by a stock HR350z from a roll. You don't even want to see the dig races

http://www.youtube.com/user/michaelr.../2/LjP5037LDbU

mazdaspeed3God

Like I've said I test drove the TL-S 6MT last year and did not find the 4th gear strong at all. The 3rd was pretty descent but not 4th... In order to get some power out of the 4th you'll need to be at around 6000+ rpm. The gear is a bit tall and there's not enough pull. My MS3's 5th gear pulls harder than the 4th gear on the TL-S 6MT.

SatinSilverAV6

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I guess its your opinions vs mine. Thats cool

Until we actually see a race like that we won't know. We both can only speculate.

nova_G

I love mysteries!

I think I found Mazdaspeed3King's (God's alter ego) Youtube page!

http://www.youtube.com/user/shkc70
Same arguments about the being better from a roll, power reduction in the first three gears, and beating cars that trap higher than 106+ blah blah blah

I think we are getting closer to solving the mystery and finding the long lost MT! Check this out

http://www.youtube.com/user/IS350King
Notice their similar typing and references to calling others "boy", "kid" as if he were a much older/matured fellow.

Evidence that shkc70 could be IS350King
and their references to "King" "God"

Is it possible that IS350King got hit by the economy and down graded to a MazdaspeedKing (or God)?!?!!?

edit: More evidence!
Pay Attention to location.

MazdaspeedKing
http://www.bimmerfest.com/forums/member.php?u=170348

IS350mom (king?)
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum...r.php?u=234873

Now the final link to why I think we have found MT....

^ 18" Volk RE30 weigh 17lbs.


My theory Mazdaspeed3King = shkc70 = IS350King = IS350mom = MANUAL TRANSMISSION.

Wow, boredom at work = detective studies...

SatinSilverAV6

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hahahahahaha!

That is great!

I know IS350king and Shck70 very well on youtube. We have gotten into it many times! They are one in the same! Same logic and same stupid responses with the lack of proper english! lol

I hate cars

Wow! I hope it's Manual Transmission. I've had something I've been waiting to share for a long time.

Blazing GT

This is what acurazine has become? oh boy.

I think the MS3 will take a TL or TL-S 6MT.

sorry...

winstrolvtec

The difference here is no one is denying that the MS3 is a good rolling car and really shines in higher speed situations, as it is a very similar situation when looking at the TLS or most high powered FWD vehicle, yet it seems that you want to draw conclusions and downgrade the TLS from one test drive and seat of pants feel.

The TLS does not feel very fast most of 4th, and feels good in the lower gears because it is geared a little bit more short in low gears and taller in higher gears compared to what you would normally see. That does not put it at a disadvantage unless you are starting from a roll low 4th. When making proper use of the powerband in 4th gear, it is actually it's best gear, ask any TLS 6MT owner. Some cars might feel very fast, torquey and rev quickly in fourth or any gear for that matter but that doesn't mean they are covering any real ground or mph. That's what gearing is, it's compromising. The MS3 feels stronger compared to the TLS while it's in proper torque band but when you bring both up to higher rpms where it's known that the TLS more power, the Mazda is no longer making anywhere near the same kind of power that high, sounds like a trade off to me.

At lower rpms it will feel faster as it has more usable torque there and less weight but can't make full traction of that power until 3rd. So suppose you started mid rpm in 3rd, you may get a quick jump but that ends quickly as you continue up the powerband and when you shift to 4th you are not hitting back down to peak torque as that mark is fairly low. Instead at that point it makes as much torque as the TLS, which happens to have an extremely flat torque band and it's more usable at all engine speeds, but given that the MS3 is lighter it still benefits greater at that point but the TL then makes better use of it's higher powerband even after you factor it's extra weight, while the MS3 drops off significantly.

So I don't see a clear winner here, unless it's a typical drag race then for obvious reasons it's the TLS but in rolling or high speed scenarios there is nothing significant enough in either car that the reaction time or driver skill doesn't still decide the outcome.

mazdaspeed3God

5th gear on the TL/ TL-S 6MT is not for fuel economy. It's good from 120 ~ 150 mph@ 6700 rpm. It is only the 6th gear considered for fuel saving. Mazdaspeed 3 on the other hand isn't. All gears are literally good for pulls.

mazdaspeed3God

Yes, MS3 is about 300 lbs lighter than the TL-S 6MT which does play quite a roll in accelerations. Also, you are basing on 1st gen MS3 which has closer gears. Mazda made improvements on the gearing on the 2010 model and made changes to the tuning (ECU). Because of this the 2010 model has improved on the power band and makes power longer on each gear. 1st gen lose power at 5500 rpm but the 2nd gen has been increased to about 6000~ 6200 rpm therefore it makes more usable power. On top of that Mazda has improved on the air flow to the intercooler, getting more cooler air which makes more power at higher speeds. It's a combination of things that makes the 2nd gen model run better and faster even though both have same engine and hp. 2010 MS3 on a Mustang dyno (which runs low) measured over 270 wtq on 5th gear which is very impressive. You can never get that on a stock TL-S.