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Old 10-08-2009, 02:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Mazda 3 or Mazdaspeed 3? I hope you mean the latter.
He's likely referring to the former...the latter should be in lockstep with a TL 6MT, with the 1G MS3 supposedly being a little slower than the new 2G version.
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^ definitely not worth it then.. well.. going over 100 mph in < 65 mph zone is hardly ever worth it if at all. I would have saved my gas. On a side note, the 2.3L Mazda 3 is a lot of bang for you buck though.. moreso the MS3. It's also pretty spacious. The 2G M3 is fugly.. I'm sure they think our 4G TL is fugly as well.. lol.
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Originally Posted by vhtran
Manually ?
*** I meant rear windows but yes, no power rear windows for them only fronts lol
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Who cares.. I wouldn't give the douchebag the time of day. You don't win anything if you race him. Either you lose and he rubs it in your face, or you win and he'll still be a douchebag. Hang out with better people. The 3G TL is way sexier as well.. you should bang his girl, that'll get him.
lol good point. hahaha
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*** I meant rear windows but yes, no power rear windows for them only fronts lol
i can only imagine. rolling up his windows...MANUALLY puahahahahah. kewl kid...
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Couple of months ago I raced a MS3 (08 or 09 mybe) from a light. We were dead even to 60, then I started edging out head. I had excessive wheel spin till 50. I think they're pretty quick, but an AT TL with mods should hang. I'm 6MT and had little to no traction. My .
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Originally Posted by t0talacuratl
Couple of months ago I raced a MS3 (08 or 09 mybe) from a light. We were dead even to 60, then I started edging out head. I had excessive wheel spin till 50. I think they're pretty quick, but an AT TL with mods should hang. I'm 6MT and had little to no traction. My .
With 280lb-ft @ the crank, the MS3 must have its own share of wheelspin issues....especially if its launched @ 3k rpm+ where 245 wtq rears (or should I say 'fronts'?) its ugly head.
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I have a MS3, if he is a bad driver you will beat him. Otherwise he will most likely walk you in both scenarios. I would be SHOCKED if he didn't walk on you from a roll. From a stop my car doesn't feel all that fast (not slow by any means) but from a roll it really hauls ass.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
With 280lb-ft @ the crank, the MS3 must have its own share of wheelspin issues....especially if its launched @ 3k rpm+ where 245 wtq rears (or should I say 'fronts'?) its ugly head.
If I'm not mistaken, aren't the MS3's AWD?
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Nevermind; just googled it. They're not. I had my VSA off.
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Honestly, I think Mazda should have incorporated the MS6's AWD system into the MS3....although I imagine it'd add a grand or two to the sticker.
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shit i almost bought a mazdaspeed 6...dsi was nice but the car was tboned and repainted to hide it...

anyway, why so worried about racing him anyway? just kick his ass and take his girl...

i bought my Tl becuase it was luxorious as fuck for the price. Just laught at his crappy interior and tell him you dont want to mess up your nice car hot rodding it around like a jack ass. =]

That or tell him you DO want to race him, set it up at a good location and call ahead and tell the cops there is a guy speeding in a MS3...when he gets pulled over call him on your hands free and laugh your ass off as you pull ahead of him...
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shit i almost bought a mazdaspeed 6...dsi was nice but the car was tboned and repainted to hide it...

anyway, why so worried about racing him anyway? just kick his ass and take his girl...

i bought my Tl becuase it was luxorious as fuck for the price. Just laught at his crappy interior and tell him you dont want to mess up your nice car hot rodding it around like a jack ass. =]

That or tell him you DO want to race him, set it up at a good location and call ahead and tell the cops there is a guy speeding in a MS3...when he gets pulled over call him on your hands free and laugh your ass off as you pull ahead of him...
That's cold.
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Old 10-11-2009, 12:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Majofo
Mazda 3 or Mazdaspeed 3? I hope you mean the latter.
maybe the slowest one? It was a little hard to see since it was a darkish color.

After 110~, the TL just kept pulling forward, he was not braking.
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there is one that drives the same way to work as I do everyday with a fart can exhaust. I've raced him on several occasions, and he will pretty much sit on my rear door all the way to 100.

I have a CAI, 70 lbs of weight reduction, and UR pulley, and stage 3 exhaust (doesn't do much for performance but sounds nice).

Just race him... this thread sounds like its all talk...

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i have pulled on two ms3's one from 40 one from 55, 60 i am almost fully bolted AT, although i also was dead even with a 535 from 60 the other day i thought a bmw would destroy me
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Originally Posted by Zigma
I raced a mazda 3 or so I believe. After 100-110mph they have a hard time keeping up with my 04 TL which is stock..
yea but that's not mazdaspeed 3. Huge performance difference between mazda 3 and mazdaspeed 3.
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Originally Posted by vhtran
MS3 is capable of doing 150-155mph, correct me if i'm wrong guys.
Yep, the ms3 has speed limiter at 155. With the limiter removed it'll go past 160 easy. Not only does it go high speed but has incredible pull all the way to the top speed. it's in the bmw 135i class in terms of acceleration from roll to 155.
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It's just one of those things; I hate this guy. Talks trash all the time. Came from a crappy little RX-8, and now drives around a 09 (or older) Mazdaspeed 3. Sure this thing puts out 263 horses and 280 lbs of torque, but I think I have a chance. Plus, he isn't the best driver. I test drove the NEW 2010 MS3, wasn't impressed. Thought it was slower than the TL. MY TL, fully bolted on, minus P2R stuff. The race hasn't happened yet, but it will... f@#*$ kid can s(#$ my NUTS! I HATE THIS FOOL!!! TL>MS3. I better win.

Whatcha all think?
You have an auto TL? you might come close with MS3 from a dig to about 60. You've better stop there cause if you let the race continue you will get rapped. MS3 will pull on you hard. It's no contest. The faster speed you go the faster the ms3 gets.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
He's likely referring to the former...the latter should be in lockstep with a TL 6MT, with the 1G MS3 supposedly being a little slower than the new 2G version.
You are right on the first part. MS3 will pull on the TL 6MT from roll. TL 6MT, TL Type-S 6MT, don't matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbfr9h-5-Rc

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Originally Posted by Majofo
The 2G M3 is fugly.. I'm sure they think our 4G TL is fugly as well.. lol.
yes, 2G MS3 is ugly if you get anything other than black. Get the black and it hides the big smiley mouth. 2G MS3 is even faster than the 1st gen MS3 on roll speeds.
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Originally Posted by t0talacuratl
If I'm not mistaken, aren't the MS3's AWD?
nope, it's FWD. The first two gears on the MS3 has torque reduction to minimize torque-steer. Once you put the MS3 in 3rd all hell break lose. It will pull like no other. You probably beat the driver as there are not many great ms3 drivers out there.

Manual = Highly depends on drivers skills
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^ I know you're new here.. Welcome!.. but if you post whore you get banned. Next time click on the multi-quote icon to make several responses, it's the icon between the quote icon and the quick reply icon.
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Originally Posted by F23A4
Honestly, I think Mazda should have incorporated the MS6's AWD system into the MS3....although I imagine it'd add a grand or two to the sticker.
That's not good though. You don't want added weight and power loss in the drivetrain and will slow the car down at high speed acceleration. Mazdaspeed3 has a character, roll speed demon. It's designed just for that, not a dig racer like Subaru WRX STi or EvoX or IS350 or BMW 335Xi. Mazda did real good job by keeping it front wheel drive for minimal power loss in the drivetrain. It's got the shortest wheelbase, pretty light (upper 3100's lbs), and max torque starting at 3000 rpm. I feel the awesome pull even at 1500 rpm.



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^ I know you're new here.. Welcome!.. but if you post whore you get banned. Next time click on the multi-quote icon to make several responses, it's the icon between the quote icon and the quick reply icon.
I will try that next time.
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed3God
You are right on the first part. MS3 will pull on the TL 6MT from roll. TL 6MT, TL Type-S 6MT, don't matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbfr9h-5-Rc

Not to be a dick but I'm not convinced until I see it or it happens to me. Maybe, just maybe, it will pull slightly on the 6MT TL but I don't see it happening with the Type-S 6MT.

I would love to find a Mazdaspeed 3 in Charlotte and try this
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LOL!

True. There's this SRT-4 around my way that runs 11's and talks down to everyone and is pretty much like your buddy. He'll go up to groups of cars at our local car meets and call out the fastest one and if they decline he drives up to them and revs the shit out of his engine.

One time a mustang got mad and did a burn our right next to his car and he had to quickly run to each door and roll up his windows.
If that guy did that around here, any number of 10 second cars would be all over him. 11s isn't fast enough to go around calling people out.
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If that guy did that around here, any number of 10 second cars would be all over him. 11s isn't fast enough to go around calling people out.
There are 10 sec cars around here but most of them are older guys (40+, muscle car crowd) who aren't into running teenagers with modded 4 bangers. Plus he know's better to even go up to them
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There are 10 sec cars around here but most of them are older guys (40+, muscle car crowd) who aren't into running teenagers with modded 4 bangers. Plus he know's better to even go up to them
Agreed. Even though mine has run 10s since I was in my mid 20s, I'm getting old and unfortunately going to be put into that crowd soon. Maybe it's time to buy a Civic lol.
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^ I know you're new here.. Welcome!.. but if you post whore you get banned. Next time click on the multi-quote icon to make several responses, it's the icon between the quote icon and the quick reply icon.
I know this sounds retarded but how do I use the multi-quote? I always do it manually and it takes forever.
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Agreed. Even though mine has run 10s since I was in my mid 20s, I'm getting old and unfortunately going to be put into that crowd soon. Maybe it's time to buy a Civic lol.
Haha it's all good every now end then just show the young'ins what's up

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I know this sounds retarded but how do I use the multi-quote? I always do it manually and it takes forever.
lol there's a way to use multi quote?
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exactly. thats why i never call people out. xcept for some of the atl azine guys. but thats just kidding.

i called called out all the time though
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^ I didn't know how to use it either. Thanks for the tutorial.
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LOL oh man.... thanks!
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed3God
That's not good though. You don't want added weight and power loss in the drivetrain and will slow the car down at high speed acceleration. Mazdaspeed3 has a character, roll speed demon. It's designed just for that, not a dig racer like Subaru WRX STi or EvoX or IS350 or BMW 335Xi. Mazda did real good job by keeping it front wheel drive for minimal power loss in the drivetrain. It's got the shortest wheelbase, pretty light (upper 3100's lbs), and max torque starting at 3000 rpm. I feel the awesome pull even at 1500 rpm.
My post was an opinion. If YOU enjoy the current powertrain setup then, that's wonderful and probably why you opted for it over the WRX! I (and many others) would prefer that level of power in something with an AWD setup.
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SO KEWL! lol I was always ashamed to ask! lol

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^ I didn't know how to use it either. Thanks for the tutorial.
again, so KEWL! i'm not even gonna try anymore oh well. lol
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My friend used to have the Mazda 3, we used to race a few times but not up to high speeds. We raced from a stop and when he got perfect shifts he would beat me or be pretty much dead even with me. I have some vids on youtube, but in those vids he always let off way too soon because his clutch was slipping. His mazda had all possible mods done, i think.
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed3God
You are right on the first part. MS3 will pull on the TL 6MT from roll. TL 6MT, TL Type-S 6MT, don't matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbfr9h-5-Rc
I test drove a 07 MS3 and im garenteed my DSM would kill it...
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Originally Posted by mazdaspeed3God
You are right on the first part. MS3 will pull on the TL 6MT from roll. TL 6MT, TL Type-S 6MT, don't matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bbfr9h-5-Rc
Posting vids of your speedo to prove a point is lame. It proves nothing. Show a video of a 1/4 pass or racing a manual trans TL if you want it to matter. Only in the ricer world do you compare vids of speedos instead of actually racing.
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Posting vids of your speedo to prove a point is lame. It proves nothing. Show a video of a 1/4 pass or racing a manual trans TL if you want it to matter. Only in the ricer world do you compare vids of speedos instead of actually racing.
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