phee

iTrader: (5)

This was utterly frustrating. it just felt like i couldnt pull on him. and we started from a rolling start. please tell me im tripping. why the hell couldnt i smoke him? is my car really that heavy?

phee

iTrader: (5)

oh yea, hes a 5mt

sbuswell

are you sure it was stock? If so your car has some major problems.

phee

iTrader: (5)

well he looked stock. i know the guy, he bought the car last week. he did get about a 2 car head start on me, but i caught up and just stayed 1 car behind.

Hockeyman

your big rims weighing you down? Do they weigh a lot? Cleaned your egr port? Plugs fresh?

phee

iTrader: (5)

new plugs, egr service was done by previous owner and rims weight about 25 lbs each. i was also in 3rd gear. My battery needed a jump before we left. could that be it? its been failing lately

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

gives us more detail! 3rd gear, at what speed did you start accelerating? And what civic was it? sedan, hatchback, Si? I believe Si has 160hp, combined with such light body, it's not surprising that you couldn't pull on him much.

loojoohnnyl

it time for u to upgrade to bmw m5

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

if he is stock and you lost that bad, just kill yourself...

alot of civic have swaps... maybe he bought it already swapped???

F23A4

A B-series swap in a the fairly lite EG hatch can take a 3.2TL provided the Civic driver knows what he is doing. (I have hard time believe a stock/bolt on D-series can do anything against a 3.2TL.)

Sidenote: My son's 98 Civic EX looks like any other Civic with a fartpipe....that is unless you notice the FMIC OR hear the blowoff valve (both betraying the fact that is has 190whp).

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

yeah but 190whp pulling a bike is much different than the 200whp the OP is pulling his boat with...

F23A4

where'd the bike reference come from (at least prior to post #11)?

KaMLuNg

iTrader: (5)

metaphor bro... civic weighs as much as a bike compared to the boat sized TL...

phee

iTrader: (5)

Yea man, the guy who had it before him obviously modded it, but it looked like he had all the shit gutted before the sale. he has the civic EX hatch. Isnt that the same engine as the SI for that year? He has 94k miles on it, i was in 3rd gear and started accelerating when i saw him catching up i say i floored it as soon as i upshifted from the red in 2nd to 3rd. I thought that was my power gear! I think we made need to run again. i refuse to beleive his fucking civic blew me that bad.

ILLustriousUA6

iTrader: (2)

either he's swapped of your car has major problems..

iforyou

iTrader: (1)

Well I just checked, and in 1994, the hp range is from 70hp to 125hp, and the hatch weighs 2108lbs. So if it was totally stock, it'd still be a decently quick car, but your TL should beat it easily, unless you were in 3rd gear at like 2000rpm.

juruki

iTrader: (2)

try to floor your car at 60mph on third gear, your car will feel as slow as a civic

korrupted

my car feels like that in 1st gear at 5Krpm.....

phee

iTrader: (5)

yea, im definitely going to have to do an official race, his head start was becuase he flew by me doing 100 and i was doing 80, so i should be able to race him if we start head to head from a jump and from a run start.

Go90go

I had a friend's friend run me in his EG. Wouldn't say what he had at first and said he just wanted to race. His girl was in the front seat recording and I could see him mouth, "I'm going to smoke this guy." Light goes green, we take off. He had a good launch while I was spinning like mad and I still pulled 2 and a half cars on him. What did he have? B16B with all bolt-ons and IM swapped, stripped interior. What did I have? The 3.2 motor with a BHG. He didn't want to race again after that.

~Cheers~

phee

iTrader: (5)

man, i really feel like shit now.. i HAVE to race him

Cisko TLS

phee
"The guy that cut you off"

^^ TIME TO CHANGE THAT NAME TO I GOT SMOKED

neck and neck with a STOCK 94 CIVIC!!
WHOA DUDE...LOL... you need a SERIOUS upgrade LOL.....
BUT YOU BETTER RACE HIM AGAIN DONT LET HIM DISRESPECT YOU THAT WAY
IS IT TYPE S TIME....

phee

iTrader: (5)

^^lol, that made me laugh so hard. im really gunna change it now. Type-s isnt an option. im going the upgrade route.

ChrisQ1980

First of all you didn't "race" him. When you are both doing 80-100 mph and then go, it's not a race, it's cat and mouse. Depening on which gear each of you are currently in will decide who will win.

At the 1/4 track with equal drivers the TL will win. On a road course the Civic would probably win (depending which track) autox the civic will win.

A real race is from a dead stop. None of this "roll" shit. Find out what mods he has, tell us what you have and go from there. You both seem very young and inexperienced to be racing on the streets at those speeds.

Cisko TLS

phee
smoked by a 94 Civic


SWEET NAME THERE lol.... HAHAHAHA dont let him make fun of you next time he sees you BEAT HIS ASS .....
I HAVE FAITH IN U


TYPE S TIME OK!!!!! OR MAYBE A SUPERCHARGE ON UR CAR how does that SOUNDS?

phee

iTrader: (5)

you are right. thats why i said i was going to challenge him to an OFFICIAL RACE. thanks for the info though. ill be sure to get a pic of his engine bay. i dont know how to tell what series motor he has.

Cisko TLS

BY WHERE DA STARTER IS AT..... YOU COULD READ WHAT SERIES IT IS..... make sure you record the video as well.... because i smoked plenty of civic.... ESPICALLY THE NEW SI blah cars... take them ... the mugen as well nothing different to da si... only spoilers rings suspension 11g MORE honda take it out.....

phee

iTrader: (5)

Thanks for the info. ill be sure to check.

PiZauL

iTrader: (1)

I got beat by a 94-96 EG Civic.. I now know how slow the TL-p is. From what I saw, he was a 5 speed with at least intake/exhaust.. i'm sure he had all the bolt ons. We did a run from 2nd gear and I pulled slightly until I hit the almighty 4th and he just pulled half a car on me.

Go90go

Uh, people with slow cars say that. They also say, "I'll get you in the twisties,".

We race in the Supras from a 60 roll to 130. I raced an Audi A3 Turbo recently from an 80 roll to 110. I used to race my buddies' Dinan 328 from 40 and 50 rolls. Only way to pull 1 1/2 bus lengths on him by 90 because of traction issues. From a dig, we'd end up almost even because of his RWD launch and the fact that I spin most of the way off the line unless I really ease off like I'm driving Ms. Daisy. Me vs. my friend's SR20 S13? From a 40 roll, I left him like he was parked. I shut down by 70 2 bus lengths in front of him after getting a look at his jaw touching his knees. Are those not races?

Cat and mouse would be running through traffic, where there are moving obstacles (other cars) that will determine whether or you have space to accelerate and catch the other guy. If I'm not mistaken, some magazines are starting to use the 60-130 as one aspect in their testing of new cars. I feel it's just as important as a 0-60 time, and more important than a 50-70.

Gears can be changed, final drives can be changed. Blaming your tranny, while it is reasonable, just doesn't cut it as a real excuse anymore. I was about to go with a lower FD to improve acceleration from a dig, but I do highway pulls also, so I decided to leave it alone. I can't be driving at 80 while the motor's revving at 4KRPM. Already now I'm running out of gears at around 120+ whereas I used to hit 130+ with another 1K+ RPMs to go. Stupid torque converter...

~Cheers~

phee

iTrader: (5)

so you dont think ill be able to win from a stopped start? i didnt know you had a tl-p is that it in the your avatar? nice ride

ChrisQ1980

I'm not being an a$$ or trying to be rude in the following post, so PLEASE don't take it that way.

The way I see it is, people that aren't skilled enough to launch a car, and shift properly use the "roll" race technique. Currently there aren't any tracks where cars compete during "roll" races. Gearing does play a huge roll in it, but most competitions are from a 1/4 race, road course, auto x.

I'm guilty of a highway run here and there slowing down to 50, slapping it in sport shift and having some fun. If I lose, I want to race from a dig, because thats where I feel the true competion is. Launching, and shifting (in my case gate shifting)

"I'll get you in the twistes" or " Races aren't won in a straight line, they are lost in the turns" is said because SKILL is a huge part of racing, as well as setting up the car properly. A car with a lot less power can win races against cars way out of their leagues while being set up properly with a good driver. Road courses last much longer, and take a lot more skill than a quik pass down the 1/4 or a 60-130 blast in a straight line.

You made some good points though, I just don't see it as a real race. I'm sure some cars are faster than others with roll racing compared to off the line. For example an AWD car vs FWD is an example, but in the end no matter how u race, the AWD car is the faster car. It left faster, and got to speed faster. Unless it's horribly geared it might take forever to catch up to/pass it. (stock for stock, or mod for mod)

So in conclusion car races/competitions are usually judged by 0-60, 1/4, road course, and auto x times.

Go90go

No worries!

That's my response to people who say drag racing takes no skill!

I beg to differ on that AWD remark. They might get off the line faster, but they run out of steam faster as well. I've taken WRXs from digs before (rather stock or just BPU ones) just because while they might leap off the line, once I get through the first 20 feet and hook, I pull ahead. Here's an example of my friend who pwns the rest of us in highway pulls AND down the 1320. Granted he's RWD and not FWD, this is him vs a modded Evo IX MR from a dig. Not only does he beat him down the road, he got him off the line, too. This friend ran a .5 second quicker 1/4 in an NA MKIII Supra than the owner of said vehicle. All he has is an exhaust and a front mount in the Sup. Camera switches to my car when they take off:

http://jp.youtube.com/watch?v=O2k-MdCadO0

~Cheers~

P.S. For me, a race is a race, no matter what the conditions, haha. Of course I wholeheartedly agree with you that driver skill is very important. I mean, how else did I take a Z4 through GG Park in my boat?

SweetJazz

You are kidding right?

I own a stock engine 94 civic 5MT and my TL-S will destroy it. There is no way that car should have been in the same zip code as you.

Something is definitely wrong with your car or you found a perfect sleeper Civic. In that case lick your wounds and move on.

phee

iTrader: (5)

LOL. you have a 3rd gen, i have a 2nd gen tl-p

SweetJazz

My wife has a 2nd gen TL-P and her car will still kill my 94 civic.

phee

iTrader: (5)

Well the debate is going to have to wait. He doesnt seem to want to race me...

Cisko TLS

^^^^ i guess he's reading THE THREAD someone snitched he has a friend on here thats tellin him stuff so he signed up and is reading it lol I think he scare with all this pressure people are putting on you what the hell has been going tell him you wanna race thats all you want so u better knock in his house go to his job do something and tell him i wanna race u bitch ass car lol...lmfao....

desired_speeds

^ Dude, punctuation > you.

Anyhow, @ the OP, I think he just wants to be able to say that he pulled a 2G TL, and not have you be able to come back and say, "But I smoked you 17 times after that!".

~Cheers~

Go90go

^ Dude, punctuation > you.

Anyhow, @ the OP, I think he just wants to be able to say that he pulled a 2G TL, and not have you be able to come back and say, "But I smoked you 17 times after that!".

~Cheers~