All I can say is to watch your back with this one the car is fast as hell.

I was going down 95 from NYC to Baltimore going about ah maybe 70 to 75 MPH when I pass one of the exit ramps and out of the corner of my eye I see this white Impreza whip off the ramp on to 95 behind me. Now I always heard that they were fast but had know idea what an understatement that was. This guy was in my a$$. As I see him behind me I down shift and put it to the floor, I could not shake him AT ALL. Then when the traffic lightens up he blows past me like my $hit was in park. I give it all I have and I'm right on him. We hit a nice clear spot with no traffic and open it up. We are side by side and I don't know if he was letting up but I slowly start to pull away. Very slowly but on the top end I believe that if we would have kept going I might have won. Now like I said I don't know if he was letting up or not but the simple fact that I was pulling away from him very slowly leads me to believe that he wasn't. Now I do have 19's on my TL so that could have hurt me a little but all in all all I can take away from that race is aleast my car looks better but as far as speed I got to give it to the Subaru. How is Subaru as far as quality and reliabilty? I think it's AWD too w/ 300 HP AND 300 in Torque DAMN!!!

 

they are monsters...........enough speed and power to hold their ground against exotic cars.

 

can't say good kill...but good race though...and your right in saying that our cars are prettier

 

STi's are sweet. If they would ditch that lameass ricer wing they would be even better. Fast or not, that wing is retarded.

 

The regular WRX is about as quick as the 6-spd TL, but can be had for around $23. Plus, there are numerous mods that will bump up the HP. It's major weakness, and the reason we didn't buy one, is the interior. It's not bad, but we wanted something closer to the TL.

By the way, the STI is fairly stripped from what I remember. Doesn't even have a radio to slow it down.

As for reliability, Subaru's are pretty reliable, and very fun to drive.

 

I think thats because its a true rally car.

 

Note to Mr. Loyalty:

Acura owners do not stoop to such petty battles on highways. You drive a luxury car. Go buy a Toyota if you want to participate in immature games. You're giving us all a bad name.

Thank you.

 

300hp+Turbo+AWD = :worship:

 

Naw, it's rice styling just like the Celica, Neon and EVO. It all started with the Supra. You don't see wings on C5 Vettes even though they're raced or on sedans like the S40, Accord or others even though raced in the British Touring Car championships.

 

have you ever watched WRC?

 

Yeah, but everything rally looks rice. They race all kinds of crap in rally but you don't see their ricer wings brought to the showroom. They should make the wing an option. The car is faster without it.

 

I was loyal Subaru till about 2 years ago. Then I went Honda. Then by extension and maturity in taste, Acura.

Though the Sub's rank high in reliability ratings, and in my personal experience were reliable in key areas for sure....get ready for some oil leaks at around 60K. Every one I had (3) leaked like a siv. I've heard it's common and has to do with their seal material and the horizontally opposed (pancake) config. of the engine.

I didn't care so much when I was young, parking on gravel and rented drives, but it gets annoying when your dripping indelible oil on stuff you own. Plus it stinks, it ain't good for the fishes, and if you don't pay attention, it costs big.

The last Subaru I had nearly every seal was leaking at 62K (happened just after warranty expired) and my mech., understandably, wanted $$$$$ to replace them ALL. I said goodbye...and haven't looked back.

 

well i like the rally=ness of the wing. Yeah I wouldn;t say its the shiet but it comes as a package, a full rally car.

 

Leaks, reliability, big ricer wings...I'd still love go get one for the day and beat the crap out of it. It HAS to be a total blast to drive.

 

hell yeah, I think you will specially like it since you can mod it also.

It has the power similar to your buick. well, maybe after some modding.

 

if you read the specs you would not challenge the wrx. the wings on any car are stupid unless you want to dry your clothes.

 

I'm an avid test driver, and having test driven the EVO and STI, I would say the STI was fun, but the EVO was a sure adventure. The salesman was constantly asking me to slow it down in the turns and highway clover ramps.

Wings are for high speed driving, to keep the a$$ end down. Both these vehicles do not need it, as they won't ever reach the speeds where it would benefit them. All show, but still plenty of go.

I didn't like the STI cause it was clunkier sounding and it didn't come standard with a radio. That's like optioning A/C, I mean Climate Control. :p

 

I'm a big fan of the spec sheets for the STi and EVO, but, in my opinion, someone shopping an Acura TL is looking for an incorporation of luxury and sport...something the STi and EVO clearly lack.

Regardless, every time there's a STi or EVO driving on the street, I can't help but stare at it. They exude a "different" kind of beauty, I guess.

 

that "beauty" is knowing what's under the hood and what they're capable of.

 

Yeah, the lure of the STi and EVO certainly aren't the amenities on the inside...only the ones under the hood.

 

Ahhhh...exactly! That's exactly what I meant.

 

I'm sure everyone here understands that a TL would get toasted by the WRX. Hands down the WRX is one POWERFUL and FAST car, BUT just look at it...the exterior styling is soo BLAH...i think the driving aspect is the only thing it has going for it. I've never been inside one, but I can't imagine it's anything close to TL interior..

 

You've got to be looking strictly for performance if you buy the WRX. It is very fast. The wing is fugly but it does keep the rear wheels on terra firma at high speeds so at least it serves a purpose. And it is OEM, so it doesn't wobble like those aftermaket rice jobs.

The sad thing is that if the TL came in an AWD configuration with a 305HP engine this thread would not even exist. These features have already been baked into the current TL so it will not be a challenge for Acura to add them when their technology is ready for primetime. We'll just have to make due with the FWD 270HP configuration for now...

 

The sti is a rocket.

I checked them out when they first came out.

The car is cool and fast but the car feels like a tin can and I would not like may chances in an accident.

The tranny felt like it was filled with marbles.

On the radio thing, my hat goes off to Subaru. They understand that their customers would rather go to the local stereo shop and get just what they want instead of some corporate compromised system. I will take this statement back when I see a car come with Focal speakers from the factory.

 

The STi (And regular WRXs) are capable of dipping into the tens with stock engine INTERNALS.:wow:

A warmed over STi will put away my LS1 powered Z28.:wow:

The Neon SRT-4 hauls arse, too...especially the '04 version. ITs engine it TRULY under-rated, it's light and lacks AWD (which equates to less driveline loss).

 

The styling SCREAMS "Boy Racer."

They need to offer a "mature" version...no fins/wings, no insanely large "driving lights." smaller air scoop, no loud, gold colored wheels, etc.

That car was also on my list. I went to look at one and almost died laughing @ the outrageous styling. No factory stereo, either...

 

As mentioned earlier...they're going for that "rally" look, but to me, it screams RICE! I like the more "sleeper" styling...like the old Fox body cars were and the GN was...you just don't know it's fast until you got your ass kicked by one. AMG, MPower and the Audi S-cars are more my speed...some trim changes, small badging, better wheels...understated gfx if any...but smokin' power under the hood.

The Evo makes the same "mistakes"...it just looks like every other plastic bolt on ricer POS. The SRT-4 also. In 5 years what are they going to do next? 50LBs of vinyl stickers and lameass 5in fart cans?

 

I don't think I've ever 'flamed' anyone before, but how is that giving anyone but Mr. Loyalty a bad name? Unintelligent. If he/she wants to race, that's his/her perogative. For a correction, it is not just a luxury car, but a luxury sports sedan. Some buy it for it's speed, some for it's luxury and comfort, and most buy it for both. To each his/her own.

Not that I am commending the 'petty battle', but why does it matter what car he/she drives? Just because we are Acura owners mean we have to drive a different way? How ridiculous.

 

 

Its so funny how people are blasting the interior of the STi and complaining how it has no luxury, blah blah blah. Its like comparing a Viper to a Mercedes S....totally different vehicles. I guarantee that if Acura came with 305hp and AWD, the STi would still absolutely SMOKE it on a course, but that was its intention. Hell, it would smoke the S, the M, the AMG on most courses and a little mod $, it would probably hang with vettes.

Give respect where respect is due please

 

i got wasted at 0-50 too.

 

By definition, a factory-tuned 300hp Japanese sports car cannot be "rice" - that is, all show, no go. This goes even more for Japanese rally-based cars where functionality overshadows aesthetics. Those wings on the STI and Evo are functional and really help with high speed stability. We shouldn't be calling these god-chariots "rice" just because we don't go down highways at 130 mph where the wing really becomes noticeable.

:bowdown: STi

 

i agree with this guy...but i guess you have to blame it on the lame ass people (yep mostly asians)(i'm asian too so don't flame me) for making something thats functional LOOK abosolutely STOOOOPID by placing it on slow & lame a$$ cars thinking that it will make their cars faster or look fast....

 

The wings are functional...at elevated speeds. But they look REDICULOUS and they're counterproductive to the mission of fast driving because they scream, "ARREST ME!"

They could EASILY offer toned down versions whereby (among other things), the asinine wings were replaced by small, "ducktail" spoilers @ the rear.

 

with that in mind...i'm wondering if subaru or mitsubishi offers alternatives to the wings they have on their RICERS, i mean racers, or rallye cars?

 

I don't care if it's 1000HP and runs 8s, those wings look retarded and ruin what is otherwise a great car.

 

My understanding is the wing comes with the packages. You just have to take off the waste and weld up the holes.

 

Who knows if it's properly designed to be functional? I remember Car and Driver did a ricer test between all these "tuners" and they all removed the retarded wings for the TT, but left them on for the pictures. More often than not, they're for "looks" rather than function. Like you said...if downforce is what they were really after, they could just of easily done it with lip spoilers which seem good enough for NASCAR. But ricers aren't the only ones doing it...Saleen started this nonsense, ricers just perfected the tasteless wing concept.

BTW, even with all the money spent on the so-called tuner cars, they ALL got their asses handed to them by a stock Z06 on OEM radials.

 

Then, by your argument, they should stop painting these cars blue and giving them gold-colored rims too. You're talking about aesthetics, not the merits of the wing.

I was commenting on the use of the word "rice." "Rice" in the usual context means "all show, no go," i.e. form over function. You can say they look ridiculous, you can say they are cop-magnets, but you can't say they are "rice."

And finally, I'm GLAD they're "counterproductive to the mission of fast [illegal] driving." Keep it on the track.

 

Blue? It's not flourescent or anything...but the gold wheels look like hell too.

Rice is anything that is all show and no go. The motor isn't rice. The suspension isn't rice...the WING is full tilt triple throwdown cage match rice. Just as if you put 30LBs of vinyl stickers on it or neon lights.