MOTUL 8100 0w-20
02-15-2011, 12:40 AM
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MOTUL 8100 0w-20
I was browsing around at some MOTUL products, not mention the Motul 5.1 brake fluid which I will be acquiring soon along with stainless steel brake lines. I came across MOTUL 8100 0w-20. I do understand 5w-20 is recommended for our engines, however my buddy who is a Honda Master Technician says they(dealership) try to push their Honda 0w-20 for the mere fact its suppose to be more fuel efficient.
So my question is has anyone used this MOTUL 8100 0w-20? Any details with use? It is ester based like redline. Very expensive too. Its designed by Europeans, which have a higher standard of oil specs/requirements than we do in the U.S.
Let me know....thanks
So my question is has anyone used this MOTUL 8100 0w-20? Any details with use? It is ester based like redline. Very expensive too. Its designed by Europeans, which have a higher standard of oil specs/requirements than we do in the U.S.
Let me know....thanks
02-15-2011, 12:46 AM
#2
I laugh every time I see "Honda MASTER Technician". Didn't know you could sit in a training class for 5 hours and than be considered a Master Technician 
Anyways, OW-20 is fine. Its thinner which leads to SLIGHT MPG increase (.0000001%). Not worth it IMO, since thicker motor oil like 5W-30 will protect the engine a lot more from excess heat/cold/wear.
Anyways, OW-20 is fine. Its thinner which leads to SLIGHT MPG increase (.0000001%). Not worth it IMO, since thicker motor oil like 5W-30 will protect the engine a lot more from excess heat/cold/wear.
02-15-2011, 01:00 AM
#3
I laugh every time I see "Honda MASTER Technician". Didn't know you could sit in a training class for 5 hours and than be considered a Master Technician
Anyways, OW-20 is fine. Its thinner which leads to SLIGHT MPG increase (.0000001%). Not worth it IMO, since thicker motor oil like 5W-30 will protect the engine a lot more from excess heat/cold/wear.
Anyways, OW-20 is fine. Its thinner which leads to SLIGHT MPG increase (.0000001%). Not worth it IMO, since thicker motor oil like 5W-30 will protect the engine a lot more from excess heat/cold/wear.
I say it with emphasis cause he is not a backyard mechanic...he went to to school for a while to gain more knowledge and being he is only 28 is even better. Not too mention the honda dealership here(very reputable in middle tennessee) paid for a good bit of his school and put him through way more than just a "5 hour training" (he is their lead mechanic) and also to mention that he rebuilds any hondas head to toe on the side all the time with a 0% failure with his is work. Including work with a lot of domestics.......
None the less...I do understand 0w-20 is thinner(hence "better gas mileage" supposedly. I was inquriring more about the MOTUL 8100 series product. Any experience with it?
02-15-2011, 04:27 PM
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A Few Words About 0W-20 Engine Oil
Without a doubt, oil plays a major part when it comes
to an engine’s performance and health. 0W-20
engine oil is fast becoming the recommended service
fill for many automakers, replacing the ever-popular
5W-20. Why? Because in engines designed for its
use, it provides superior starting performance and
fuel economy without the risk of premature engine
wear.
Engine wear typically happens when you start the
engine cold and it’s warming up, so it’s really
important for the engine oil to get to work right away.
0W-20 is a very low-viscosity oil that’s specially
formulated to quickly reach critical engine
components when the engine is started. It also
helps the engine use less fuel. The zero in 0W-20
doesn’t mean zero viscosity; it means superior
low-temperature performance.
Acura has been developing and testing engines for
a number of years now with the expectation that
someday 0W-20 would become the oil of choice. Just
so you know, we’re coming out soon with a job aid
that shows which current Acura engines using 5W-20
can also use 0W-20. With that job aid, your
dealership will enjoy more servicing and stocking
flexibility.
Without a doubt, oil plays a major part when it comes
to an engine’s performance and health. 0W-20
engine oil is fast becoming the recommended service
fill for many automakers, replacing the ever-popular
5W-20. Why? Because in engines designed for its
use, it provides superior starting performance and
fuel economy without the risk of premature engine
wear.
Engine wear typically happens when you start the
engine cold and it’s warming up, so it’s really
important for the engine oil to get to work right away.
0W-20 is a very low-viscosity oil that’s specially
formulated to quickly reach critical engine
components when the engine is started. It also
helps the engine use less fuel. The zero in 0W-20
doesn’t mean zero viscosity; it means superior
low-temperature performance.
Acura has been developing and testing engines for
a number of years now with the expectation that
someday 0W-20 would become the oil of choice. Just
so you know, we’re coming out soon with a job aid
that shows which current Acura engines using 5W-20
can also use 0W-20. With that job aid, your
dealership will enjoy more servicing and stocking
flexibility.
http://techinfo.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SN/B100100.PDF
https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/acura-servicenews-bulletins-588838/ - January 2010
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02-15-2011, 04:46 PM
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0W-20 Engine Oil Application Guide Is Now Available!
We promised it, you’ve been asking for it, and now it’s here–the 0W-20 Engine Oil Application Guide!
This chart shows which vehicles have been tested and can use 0W-20. Each year, we’re going to use 0W-20 more,
so be absolutely sure that you don’t accidentally use 5W-20 in a vehicle that’s made for 0W-20!
It’s just a few clicks away in ISIS, under Job Aids.
We promised it, you’ve been asking for it, and now it’s here–the 0W-20 Engine Oil Application Guide!
This chart shows which vehicles have been tested and can use 0W-20. Each year, we’re going to use 0W-20 more,
so be absolutely sure that you don’t accidentally use 5W-20 in a vehicle that’s made for 0W-20!
It’s just a few clicks away in ISIS, under Job Aids.
https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=588838 - Nov 2010
http://techinfo.honda.com/Rjanisis/pubs/SN/B101100.PDF
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02-15-2011, 05:08 PM
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Do you think that 0W-20 would really increase a significant amount of MPGs?
It seems to me that is like 5W-30 to 5W-20 where there is a very minimal increase in MPG (.01%) and that these lower visc. oils are just to meet CAFE requirements.
It seems to me that is like 5W-30 to 5W-20 where there is a very minimal increase in MPG (.01%) and that these lower visc. oils are just to meet CAFE requirements.
02-15-2011, 05:11 PM
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02-15-2011, 05:34 PM
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I used to run Motul exclusively in my sport bikes and had nothing but good experiences with it, and if you could see what I put those bikes through, you'd know that means a lot. As far as the 0w-20, I just switched the TL to that, but with Redline. It has a 2.7 HTHS, which, IIRC is what M1 5w-20 is rated at. I think you'll be fine with the Motul.
02-16-2011, 02:50 AM
#12
Thanks for the input.
I wish MOTUL made the 8100 series in 5w-20(might give the 0w-20 a sot one day) but do not from what I have found. I got a jug of pennzoil ultra I'm going to use up and then more than likely I'm going to just run with Reline 5w-20.
I wish MOTUL made the 8100 series in 5w-20(might give the 0w-20 a sot one day) but do not from what I have found. I got a jug of pennzoil ultra I'm going to use up and then more than likely I'm going to just run with Reline 5w-20.
02-16-2011, 01:20 PM
#13
Team Owner
Motul and Redline are both great oils.
A word on 0w-20 in general... The HTHS is going to be significantly lowered in any 0w oil. The manufacturer gets to define "excessive" wear so believe what you want. It is worthwhile in the coldest of climates, I've run it when I was working in 0F weather for a couple months. In this case the tradeoff in HTHS might be worth it.
Keep in mind, CAFE drives most of this. A 0w-xx is only an advantage for the first 5-10 minutes of driving. Once the oil has some heat into it the cold flow advantage is gone and you have a lower HTHS to deal with for the remainder of the drive. If most of your driving is in a cold climate and you do mostly short trips, I highly recommend the 0w-20. This is why I used it, besides the cold temps I was literally driving 1 mile to work and back so it fit my needs.It never had a chance to warm up and thin out so using the thinnest starting oil made sense.
Those of you looking for a mpg change while cruising down the freeway are going to be disappointed. A 0w-20 and 5w-20 are the same hot viscosity, there is no mpg to be gained. Again, the only advantage is during engine warmup where it will be thinner on average. This stuff helps out in the CAFE ratings because their cycle includes cold start and driving. Even then, you're talking about a max of .5mpg and that's straight from some well respected engineers.
HTHS is directly related to wear, it's one of the most important specs of an oil. I choose an oil with the highest HTHS while giving decent cold flow. That's where these exotic ester oils shine, you get the best of all worlds with the only downside being cost.
Motul 0w-20 due to it's excellent base oil will have the same or better HTHS than Mobil One 5w-30 so you're fine using it. Redline and Motul and the only two I can think of with such insanely high HTHS for the viscosity. For most of the other oils, the 0w-20 is treading on thin ice as far as wear is concerned.
A word on 0w-20 in general... The HTHS is going to be significantly lowered in any 0w oil. The manufacturer gets to define "excessive" wear so believe what you want. It is worthwhile in the coldest of climates, I've run it when I was working in 0F weather for a couple months. In this case the tradeoff in HTHS might be worth it.
Keep in mind, CAFE drives most of this. A 0w-xx is only an advantage for the first 5-10 minutes of driving. Once the oil has some heat into it the cold flow advantage is gone and you have a lower HTHS to deal with for the remainder of the drive. If most of your driving is in a cold climate and you do mostly short trips, I highly recommend the 0w-20. This is why I used it, besides the cold temps I was literally driving 1 mile to work and back so it fit my needs.It never had a chance to warm up and thin out so using the thinnest starting oil made sense.
Those of you looking for a mpg change while cruising down the freeway are going to be disappointed. A 0w-20 and 5w-20 are the same hot viscosity, there is no mpg to be gained. Again, the only advantage is during engine warmup where it will be thinner on average. This stuff helps out in the CAFE ratings because their cycle includes cold start and driving. Even then, you're talking about a max of .5mpg and that's straight from some well respected engineers.
HTHS is directly related to wear, it's one of the most important specs of an oil. I choose an oil with the highest HTHS while giving decent cold flow. That's where these exotic ester oils shine, you get the best of all worlds with the only downside being cost.
Motul 0w-20 due to it's excellent base oil will have the same or better HTHS than Mobil One 5w-30 so you're fine using it. Redline and Motul and the only two I can think of with such insanely high HTHS for the viscosity. For most of the other oils, the 0w-20 is treading on thin ice as far as wear is concerned.
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02-16-2011, 01:30 PM
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Team Owner
You'll be fine with that. Some of the 0w-20 oils get dangerously close to the line at 2.6 or so. I can't remember if it's 2.4 or 2.6 that's considered the lowest acceptable HTHS limit but it should be easy to find via google.
Many European manufacturers specify a minimum HTHS. I believe Porsche is 3.5 for most of their line and Mercedes has a spec too.
Many European manufacturers specify a minimum HTHS. I believe Porsche is 3.5 for most of their line and Mercedes has a spec too.
02-16-2011, 04:34 PM
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Race Director
http://www.mobil.com/USA-English/Lub...l_1_0W-40.aspx
Running it now in my TL. After my ECU had time to relearn after the reset (battery disconnected for TB change/valve adjust), it doesn't appear to degrade mileage at all (compared to M1 5w20). I was curious if the higher vis would take a hit on mileage (13.5 vs 9), but can't tell that it has.
Has anyone found a VOA and/or spec sheet on Motul 8100? Spent about 15 minutes searching but came up empty handed..
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