ResidualFreedom

lololol

6speedv6

Well, i lost him in traffic 2 or 3 times, and everytime he catched-up to me really quick (I was cruising @ 80, about 10 cars in front of him) blewing-by me at least 20 miles faster and stopped 3-5 car lengths in front of me. On top of that, there were 2 other cars "playing" arround. An SLK and a Mazda Protege. And if he was not racing me, why the heck was he doing 120 on the highway in front of me ???

pimpinTL02

so how fast do the 540I and 545I goes manual in 0-60 and 1/4 mile times.

SergeyM

Best mag time I've seen for 540 was 5.4 sec and 14.0/101 mph and it was for the manual tranny. 545 seems to be faster with 6-spd auto and the best times are 5.2 and 13.7/104 mph. Owners usually get better times by doing stupid things like removing the spare, keeping the tank on empty, under/over inflating driving/driven tires and so on.

pimpinTL02

thats a pretty damn fast sedan.....

F23A4

Sergey, I drove the new 545i AT down Roosevelt Ave (Queens) at about 100mph. My wife (riding shotgun) gave some serious grief......but when it was her turn to drive, she rolled at about 80mph. Anyway, that 13.7 sec ET felt about right for the 545i.

dands99tl

Just a heads up... The 540i is 6spd, not 5spd. And I must say, having driven both quite extensivley, the 540i would spank a TL, even with the extra weight, the torque owns.

03Sheermax

I agree, my brother has an 2002 540i 6spd. Their is no way in hell any TL, 6spd or auto keeping up with a 540i 6spd especially on the highway. The car absolutely pulls on the highway, as a matter of fact a 540 6spd hangs quite well with an M3 on the HIGHWAY.

Actuary

I saw 540i auto in downtown street and we were next to each other for couple of traffic lights. We were both first cars at light.

First, he floored it to change lane beating other cars, I quickly caught him at next light.
Second time, I floored mine and got ahead of him and changed into his lane.

If I see a real chance on highway it will be fun.

SaNJoSeTLRydEr

word..dont need to say anything like that...

Pro Stock John

My friend's 540i went 13.9 with just no air filter.

To the author of the thread, if you are automatic I could see a 540i putting 3-4 cars on you.

Mike

trap and 60'?

2005Aspec

Makes sense, I used to run even with a buddies 540 5 speed in my modified grand cherokee 5.9 (14.3@97)

ou sig

how the hell do you mod a Jeep for speed???

Mike

Actuary

I found something funny. Those new Jeep Grand Cherokee with Hemi has same 0-60 time with V8 4.x liter high output engine(you have 3 choice of engines for jeep). I guess hemi is there for towing.

Actuary

OK I've beaten 540i last night from 10MPH. It was 2 previous gen. It must been either 1994 or 1995, however I think it has same engine with 1996-2003

1994,1995 : 282HP 295TQ
later they bumped to : 282/324
last year they bumepd to : 290/324

Now, considering they bumped torque a bit on previous gen, I would think TL and 540i would be about same I mean AT/AT

shogun

the engine on the e34 isnt the same as the e39.

the e39 is a beast on the freeway. from 0 its not nearly as potent, i'd say much of it is a drivers race but on the freeway i'd lean towards the bimmer. more weight but the torque is nothing to scoff at.

nikko

Actuary, i don't mean to offend you but I truly believe that the 540 you've beaten was not the one with 282 HP. V8 with 282 HP is a beast and a TL especially AT does not stand any chance whatsoever (the numbers posted by some mags with respect to this car are very conservative) and the reson I'm saying this is because when I was last time at the race track I was literally impressed by this guy running his stock 2001 BMW 540i 0-60 mph in 5.5 sec. If you're saying that you've raced this type of car and won....well most likely that guy didn't wanna race you. What is your best race track time so far (0-60) and 1/4 mile?

Actuary

It was like 1994 or something.. not 2001 with 324 tq

nikko

Even if it's a 94 it still has 282hp. Now keep in mind that for a BMW 540i there is not much difference between manual transmission and automatic. So if it was a V8 282 hp and you killed it from a roll with your 255 bhp TL that is automatic, kudos to you man, altough I don't understand how some people here driving 3G TL maunual transmission lost to the same type of BMW?

Actuary

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71075

another auto 3G TL beaten 540i. As long as I can get my RPM to 2500+, I have confidence.

nikko

These cases are very rare and stem from lack of knowledge from some BMW drivers that don't know how to push their cars to the limits or simply freak out when they get to 100 mph and slow down.
Believe me Actuary a TL in general and especially the one with automatic transmission stand no chance against a 540i which is a mid 13 sec car.
What is amazing about 540i in general is the band of power, that is this car pulls really hard at any RPM and speed. I remember when I had my AT TL always having problems because of the lack of power at around 80 mph.
One day you'll understand.....

Mike

80mph is very close to the vtec profile kicking in on my cls. at that point its in the meat of the power band for 3rd gear.
nikko, which tl did you own?

nikko

Mike, I used to own a 2005 TL automatic. I was very disappointed by the way my car was delivering the power around 80mph. I've never felt the VTEC benefits on my TL, the car was pulling but nowhere near I expected. When I had my first service the Accura tech said that this was normal for automatic transmision as the car looses approx. 80hp due to torque converter conservative design that was adopted by Acura for 3G TL.
He gave me a loaner (TL automatic transmission as well) and again the car didn't have the punch I was expecting around 80 mph.
To me only TL manual makes sense when we talk performance. The automatic transmission was designed in a very conservative way given the transmission problems Acura experienced with the previous models, unfortunatelly at the price of performance.
I had my 545i in service for the first scheduled maintenance and got as a loaner a BMW 530i (255 hp) automatic transmission. Not to stir things here but the way 530 pulls at high speeds is absolutelly impresive...much faster an smooter than TL auto.....but this is me.
I think Acura should re-design the TL auto tranny ....and I am sure many members of this forum think the same...

7thgear

Sorry, but BMW 540Is are just too much for TLs. Too much torque and horsepower. We should stick with the 3series when it comes to speed. TLs are in their league. Of course it boils down to who's willing to take it to the max. Tls can go 155 in specs.

Actuary

so I and the other guy beaten 540i were apprently smoking crack when we did it then? Yes there is possibility, the loser in 540i might have missed gas pedal by 2/10th of a second. If its not from dead stop it is pretty competitive. Who knows that almost 10 year old 540i wasnt running at not optimum condition? Carbon deposits? Dirty air filter?

In the end, I've beaten one. Although, I don't think I can do it again especially against 2001+ 540i.

dome1422

I have recently purchsaed a Tl. In response to the complainnts about the VTEC kicking in, i have recently found that it kicks in best around 95- 100. This past weekend i raced my friends on the highway, and once i got the tl up to 100, i felt a sudden lift in the accleration. The car jumped up to 125 quicker than i thought. i think this range is the "Sweet Spot" where the vtec makes its presence known. Im just guessing, because i cant relate the instant boost to anything else.

Mike

Did you have headers? If not, then I agree the auto doesn't pull that hard in stock form.

80hp? your mechanic needs to get his math straight. ~57-60hp through parasitic drive train loss is normal for our cars.

7thgear

I agree. Tls at 100+ at 4th to 5th gear respond better. I got mine up to 145 and from 100- 145 between 4th and 5th gear just responds like a dream. Pretty close to redline, but that's what VTEC likes I guess.

TCMS

The Grand Cherokee 5.9, bone stock was a low 15 second car. That motor had a TON of aftermarket modifications available.

I actually owed one and ran a consistant 15.2 bone stock, thanks to AWD. (Torque and Go)

TCMS

A 540, in the years we're talking about, is not close to a mid 13 second car. Period.

What is it going to take to stop your bullshit BMW bias on this site? Not only are you boring, but your posts are tiring and redundant.

We dont care what you think about BMW, we dont care that you think it's the greatest creation on the planet.

While I am a fan of the new 5 series, I dont have a single friend with one that hasnt had significant problems. (Not stupid rattles)

Reality is that BMW is getting away with making subpar 'drivers' vehicles. They offer great driving thrill, but after that they're jack shit. Thankfully, as far as I know, their sales are fine so they have no reason to fix their deficiencies.

I would have no problem spending a few extra bucks on a 5 series BMW that performs well, and has the features and longevity of the TL. However, since BMW can't seem to put that together consistently, I'll pass.

While I have had a few annoyances with the TL, statistically and personal experience dictates that they build a better quality vehicle.

Anyways, what's next on your plate? Tell us something intriguing about BMW that makes your pants wet.

nikko

It depends..

Nothing. It's not BMW bias, it's reality.

Don't care if you care.


Hmmm....this is overrated! I don't know what you're talking about...what significant problems?

Very subjective!

To each his own.

It might be so but I doubt it. Look back at how many problems TL had with transmissions for example.

Why don't you tell me that?

nikko

No headers! Bone stock.
My wife decided to go for 2006 TL automatic (pick up date is December 27th) and after break-in period I'll get her car and push it around 100 and see what happens.

TCMS

It's not reality when it's objectively found to be otherwise. BMW does not make top tier reliable cars, period.

If you dont care, stop wasting our time here, we just laugh at you.

All electrical, odd isnt it? Only one (last gen m5) is actually a solid car from end to end. The worst is the latest Gen 5 series', three of them. Oddly they all have electrical demons.

Again, not subjective because statistic prove I'm right. BMW does not make top tier 'quality' automobile. Far too many have huge problems, and conveniently fail to make yearly 'top auto' lists.


Exactly why BMW has sales.

TL tranny issues pale in comparison to BMW electrical gremlins. Im sure we agree that both shouldnt happen, however with that said Acura, historically and today, kicks BMW's reliability through the door.



What's next on your plate is likely more BMW bullshit because it makes you feel better about owning one.

nikko

TCMS - you're damn right, I feel very good because I own a 5er and for me this is the best car I ever owned, hands down.
I know that BWM in general and 5ers in particular have had some electrical problems but for me this is irrelevant as IMO the driving experience offered by these cars offset the frustration generated by electrical or mechanical problems they might exhibit.
My only debate was focused on performance and having driven both, TL and 5 series, IMO 5 is a better performer, but again this is just me. You think that TL is a much better car than BMW...as in my case this is just normal...you own one and this is the main reason you've got one.
After the experience I had with my TL I've decided to get a 5 series because simply TL was not car enough for me.... and nothing is going to change my mind unless I'd have a horrible experience with BMW.
I understand that you love your TL..I am happy for you and even if I disagree with respect to TL performance and/or quality I'm not going to be rude with you simply because is both inappropriate and immature.
Bottom line is even if you love your car show some manners...don't throw with mud in people just on the base they are BMW owners...this is not fair...try to be polite and tackle this type of posts with maturity because at the end of the day you're not going to convince me that TL is superior to BMW. If you don't like my posts simply ignore them or reply in a more civilized manner!

TCMS

I never called the TL a better performer. If anything I've continually praised the performance of the 5 series as a well rounded vehicle.

What I find funny is that now you want to cry foul and yet your posts are often hastily written and lacking any form of respect.

I dont need to convince you that the TL is superior to the BMW, your opinion doesnt matter. The facts dictate which car is superior on what level. If 'performance' is your only criteria, congratulations you win. That doesnt mean that you wont have better 'luck' with one brand, but the beauty of objectivity is that the individual experience doesnt count much.

I've had great luck with Jeeps (knock on wood), I wouldnt call them reliable because they're not. HOWEVER, I have no had serious issues where others have. My experience dictates that I wont bash them for being unrealiable and 'shit', however they are not 'quality' built vehicles because of their objective achievements.

Period.

BMW 5 series wins the performance and driveability comparison, and it should.

The TL wins the features/value/quality comparison, and it should.

End of story, until something objectively changes.

SergeyM

Sorry TSCM,

BMW 5 series wins performance and driveability, and it should
BMW 5 series the features/value/quality comparison, too.
There is not a single TL feature not available on the 5-er. It is not TL's fault. TL is just a much cheaper car.
Features are expensive. Put a V8 engine into TL and you need to change FWD platform. I owned a 2002 TL type S which I traded to a 2002 BMW 540 which I traded to a 2005 BMW 545 after several test drives of 2005 TL. TL looked pale. It even lost to Infiniti M that I was considering too. Let put it this way it does not make any sense to compare TL to 5-series cars. It is like comparing BMW 545 to MB S55/600.
Value wise TL was $500/month to lease, BMW545 was $720. With Euro delivery you could get it for as little as $600/month. Free maintenance compared to TL saves around $30/month. And that beautiful propeller on the hood. What more to ask!

TCMS

It's not about what's available and what's not availabe. When you can get the features the TL offers at half the price of a fully loaded 540./545 (Close to it) You win the features battle.

Yes there are a few things that the BMW may or may not have, (Park assist, rear-camera, not having voice command), but from a feature standpoint the TL takes the cake.

Now, how you compare a loaded 545 and m45 to a TL is beyond me. If I were to spend 55k on a car I wouldnt have even test drove the TL. (And of course the 545 starts at 57k anyways)

A loaded 5 series better kick the living shit out of a TL since it is nearly twice the price, end of story. With that said it's build quality/reliability doesnt.

If you didnt realize it, that 'free maintenance' is a gimmick. (Though I wouldnt mind it! ;-) )


Disclaimer: As for the 5 series features I glanced at the BMW website, it may have voicecommand even though I didnt see it, and it may not have park assist.

nikko

I have to agree with you except this "What I find funny is that now you want to cry foul and yet your posts are often hastily written and lacking any form of respect." which is out of line.
End of story.