look how bad this sucks...
07TL-CBP
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From: Maryland
Originally Posted by phatbastard
Most dealerships (99.9%) have a 30 day warranty that covers the vehicle. It doesnt matter if it is a 88' ford truck or a '04' acura tl. They all get 30 days.
Burning Brakes
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Originally Posted by jmurray89
it was before...but weve just found out new information about legal issues with the car and i got a lawyer so now its just a waiting game...
If you bought a car, ANY CAR, with those known issues
I'm sorry...I'm outta here. Good luck with your lawyer!
94 DC4 RS LSV/Turbo
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how about he sans in his entire bill of sale, front and back, and we read the fine print
I am 100% this thing has some loophole somewhere
ps. I had an 05 350z, which I got at an awesome price, and when my friend totalled it, the bank said I had no gap insurance... oh contrer mon frere I READ EVERYTHING BEFORE I SIGN... I got a nice big fat check after the loan was paid off, since I paid $16500 for a car valued by the insurance co @ 23500 HOLLA...
Factor in taxes and loan etc... and I got a good $2k back
I am 100% this thing has some loophole somewhere
ps. I had an 05 350z, which I got at an awesome price, and when my friend totalled it, the bank said I had no gap insurance... oh contrer mon frere I READ EVERYTHING BEFORE I SIGN... I got a nice big fat check after the loan was paid off, since I paid $16500 for a car valued by the insurance co @ 23500 HOLLA...
Factor in taxes and loan etc... and I got a good $2k back
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http://www.ajc.com/business/content/...zborrower.html
• Georgia law, for instance, does next to nothing to look after a consumer who buys a used car only to have it break down on the way home from the dealership — even if a salesman told the consumer the car runs like a dream. In Mississippi, dealers must provide at least a basic warranty on used cars less than 6 years old and with fewer than 75,000 miles.
• Georgia does not regulate "spot delivery," a common sales practice in which a consumer takes possession of a car after the deal has been negotiated, but before the financing has been approved. Once the transaction is final, consumers can find themselves facing higher payments or other less favorable terms than they thought they were getting.
• Georgia was among the last states in the nation to cover new cars with a lemon law — and still has no such legislation for used cars, even though about three-quarters of the vehicles sold in Georgia are secondhand. In Massachusetts, lawmakers passed a lemon law for used cars years ago, requiring dealers to pay for repairs for up to 90 days on automobiles with fewer than 125,000 miles.
• Georgia requires used car dealers to post a surety bond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surety_bond) of $20,000 — hardly enough to compensate even one or two consumers should a dealer go belly up or fail to legally transfer ownership of cars, as happened with Rickie Coleman's dealer in Eastman.
• Georgia law, for instance, does next to nothing to look after a consumer who buys a used car only to have it break down on the way home from the dealership — even if a salesman told the consumer the car runs like a dream. In Mississippi, dealers must provide at least a basic warranty on used cars less than 6 years old and with fewer than 75,000 miles.
• Georgia does not regulate "spot delivery," a common sales practice in which a consumer takes possession of a car after the deal has been negotiated, but before the financing has been approved. Once the transaction is final, consumers can find themselves facing higher payments or other less favorable terms than they thought they were getting.
• Georgia was among the last states in the nation to cover new cars with a lemon law — and still has no such legislation for used cars, even though about three-quarters of the vehicles sold in Georgia are secondhand. In Massachusetts, lawmakers passed a lemon law for used cars years ago, requiring dealers to pay for repairs for up to 90 days on automobiles with fewer than 125,000 miles.
• Georgia requires used car dealers to post a surety bond (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Surety_bond) of $20,000 — hardly enough to compensate even one or two consumers should a dealer go belly up or fail to legally transfer ownership of cars, as happened with Rickie Coleman's dealer in Eastman.
Keep'n it clean- Orlando
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Originally Posted by BackToStock
dude that really sucks..please tell me you pulled a carfax on it and made sure everything was legit..other than that, good luck man
Carfax wont tell you how the engine was cared for. Its a gamble.
Usually when I go to look at a car especially from a private seller.. the first thing you do is check the oil... if its low.. thats a sign he does not care and never checks nor maintains his car.
any updates?
that really sucks man....i bought my car from them, and its perfect...no problems with the engine or anything for that matter, my best friends got a body shop and they checked out the car from top to bottom, front to back, and it checked out clean, so i bought it...and ive been happy ever since...i really dont know what to tell ya man, when i was buying they offered me a warranty from a third party, but you're saying they didnt offer you one...so....i dunno, i chose not to buy one because my friend can do anything for a good price for me and hook it up, but shit...im not gonna lie...not to make you feel bad or anything but your situation seems dim...good luck man
that really sucks man....i bought my car from them, and its perfect...no problems with the engine or anything for that matter, my best friends got a body shop and they checked out the car from top to bottom, front to back, and it checked out clean, so i bought it...and ive been happy ever since...i really dont know what to tell ya man, when i was buying they offered me a warranty from a third party, but you're saying they didnt offer you one...so....i dunno, i chose not to buy one because my friend can do anything for a good price for me and hook it up, but shit...im not gonna lie...not to make you feel bad or anything but your situation seems dim...good luck man
Drifting
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
The internet has SO many "backseat lawyer experts out there don't they? Implied warranty does NOT apply in this case. The dealer (most likely) sold the car "AS IS". This is the MOST COMMON way fo reselling a vehicle by ALL the non-MFG dealers. It means that they provided the car, you (yourself or a private inspector) can review it and decide BEFORE you purchase it IF it is OK. It's your call, not the dealerships. If it dies 2 days after you own it....you OWN the problem, not them. So, don't go around mis-leading this kid into thinking that he has some "inherit rights" he does not have. And go take just ONE law class while you are at it.
However, this does NOT mean that he can't try to get it properly addressed. I know he's only 18 but as others have stated it may not really be THAT hard to get them to take responsibility. The News Agency's are the BEST as they have legal resources that will get involved for free. The courts "could" just be a run-around (sounds like these scum-buckets have done it enough that they can run him around for a few years before they have to change their name AGAIN). The BEST BEST BEST way to "get them" is to pursue CRIMINAL charges (rather than CIVIL which is what everyone else on here has been talking about). Criminal charges can FREEZE their bank accounts, throw them in jail and even their PRIOR history under the other name can ALL be brought into court. If they change ANYTHING on the car and mis-represented it, then it needs to be pursued as a CRIMINAL case, not a Civil one.
However, this does NOT mean that he can't try to get it properly addressed. I know he's only 18 but as others have stated it may not really be THAT hard to get them to take responsibility. The News Agency's are the BEST as they have legal resources that will get involved for free. The courts "could" just be a run-around (sounds like these scum-buckets have done it enough that they can run him around for a few years before they have to change their name AGAIN). The BEST BEST BEST way to "get them" is to pursue CRIMINAL charges (rather than CIVIL which is what everyone else on here has been talking about). Criminal charges can FREEZE their bank accounts, throw them in jail and even their PRIOR history under the other name can ALL be brought into court. If they change ANYTHING on the car and mis-represented it, then it needs to be pursued as a CRIMINAL case, not a Civil one.
And since you're so obviously the authority in this arena, it might interest you to know that simply declaring a sale "AS IS" does not release the seller from liability if it can be shown that he knew or should have known about the item's non-fitness. The burden of proof in this case is a preponderance of evidence of which there appears to be plenty. This is where you get a lawyer who knows the nuances of this sort of case involved. Simply put, there are an abundance of laws protecting consumers from unscrupulous merchants, of which this particular dealer seems to fall well within the bounds of.
I was just trying to help the kid out. You need to dial your asshole knob back a little.
Racer
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Originally Posted by ndabunka
The internet has SO many "backseat lawyer experts out there don't they? Implied warranty does NOT apply in this case. The dealer (most likely) sold the car "AS IS". This is the MOST COMMON way fo reselling a vehicle by ALL the non-MFG dealers. It means that they provided the car, you (yourself or a private inspector) can review it and decide BEFORE you purchase it IF it is OK. It's your call, not the dealerships. If it dies 2 days after you own it....you OWN the problem, not them. So, don't go around mis-leading this kid into thinking that he has some "inherit rights" he does not have. And go take just ONE law class while you are at it.
However, this does NOT mean that he can't try to get it properly addressed. I know he's only 18 but as others have stated it may not really be THAT hard to get them to take responsibility. The News Agency's are the BEST as they have legal resources that will get involved for free. The courts "could" just be a run-around (sounds like these scum-buckets have done it enough that they can run him around for a few years before they have to change their name AGAIN). The BEST BEST BEST way to "get them" is to pursue CRIMINAL charges (rather than CIVIL which is what everyone else on here has been talking about). Criminal charges can FREEZE their bank accounts, throw them in jail and even their PRIOR history under the other name can ALL be brought into court. If they change ANYTHING on the car and mis-represented it, then it needs to be pursued as a CRIMINAL case, not a Civil one.
However, this does NOT mean that he can't try to get it properly addressed. I know he's only 18 but as others have stated it may not really be THAT hard to get them to take responsibility. The News Agency's are the BEST as they have legal resources that will get involved for free. The courts "could" just be a run-around (sounds like these scum-buckets have done it enough that they can run him around for a few years before they have to change their name AGAIN). The BEST BEST BEST way to "get them" is to pursue CRIMINAL charges (rather than CIVIL which is what everyone else on here has been talking about). Criminal charges can FREEZE their bank accounts, throw them in jail and even their PRIOR history under the other name can ALL be brought into court. If they change ANYTHING on the car and mis-represented it, then it needs to be pursued as a CRIMINAL case, not a Civil one.
However, that's a generic reality and there are too many factors here to even guess.
Racer
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I should rephrase my previous comment. As-Is can waive these warranties, but some forums look at the entire circumstance before deciding whether As-Is sufficiently waives Merchantability and/or Fitness. That's why, depending on the business, it makes more sense to create specific waivers with statutory language.
'06 750Li Sapphire/Creme
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Originally Posted by LukeaTron
Wow, so you can go right ahead and blow me. Perhaps I didn't make it obvious enough for some but I am clearly not a lawyer.
I was just trying to help the kid out. You need to dial your asshole knob back a little.
I was just trying to help the kid out. You need to dial your asshole knob back a little.
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Wow fellas...remember the OP? We are supposed to be helping him, not our egos!
OP: Someone on here showed us a video or news article where somebody sold their car. The person that bought the car, the car broke down on them I think. At any rate, the person who sold the car was liable because they sold a used car and it was not maintenanced properly so that led to the car breaking down early on the purchaser. The car was sold as is and it made no difference. If I can track it, I will let you know. That may not be the story verbatim, but it was definitely similar to what I said.
The point is, don't give up hope on it man. Go legal. All they can say is no...then you are no worse off than you are right? Good luck man!
OP: Someone on here showed us a video or news article where somebody sold their car. The person that bought the car, the car broke down on them I think. At any rate, the person who sold the car was liable because they sold a used car and it was not maintenanced properly so that led to the car breaking down early on the purchaser. The car was sold as is and it made no difference. If I can track it, I will let you know. That may not be the story verbatim, but it was definitely similar to what I said.
The point is, don't give up hope on it man. Go legal. All they can say is no...then you are no worse off than you are right? Good luck man!
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Cruisin'
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actually i did get new information. at the auction the car had a red light and announcment on it that said it had engine sludge and engine noise. the dealer knowingly bought it in this condition and sold it to me without disclosing any of that information, nor did they do anything to fix it before selling. when asked, they told me the car was in great condition. fraud?
we have a lawyer that wrote the dealer a note and we are seeing if they will work with us before we go ahead and take it all the way to court.
we have a lawyer that wrote the dealer a note and we are seeing if they will work with us before we go ahead and take it all the way to court.
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From: Germantown, MD
Originally Posted by jmurray89
actually i did get new information. at the auction the car had a red light and announcment on it that said it had engine sludge and engine noise. the dealer knowingly bought it in this condition and sold it to me without disclosing any of that information, nor did they do anything to fix it before selling. when asked, they told me the car was in great condition. fraud?
we have a lawyer that wrote the dealer a note and we are seeing if they will work with us before we go ahead and take it all the way to court.
we have a lawyer that wrote the dealer a note and we are seeing if they will work with us before we go ahead and take it all the way to court.
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From: Atlanta, GA
Originally Posted by jmurray89
well i came to find out that this dealer had so many complaints from before that they changed their name from atlantas best cars to georgias best cars
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Cruisin'
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Originally Posted by wilsel
Let me guess? Georgias Best Cars in Marietta?
good thing we knew people in the car business to look up all that information for us as well...
Originally Posted by jmurray89
actually i did get new information. at the auction the car had a red light and announcment on it that said it had engine sludge and engine noise. the dealer knowingly bought it in this condition and sold it to me without disclosing any of that information, nor did they do anything to fix it before selling. when asked, they told me the car was in great condition. fraud?
we have a lawyer that wrote the dealer a note and we are seeing if they will work with us before we go ahead and take it all the way to court.
we have a lawyer that wrote the dealer a note and we are seeing if they will work with us before we go ahead and take it all the way to court.
But if this was the case from the auction paperwork and your mechanic inspected it BEFORE you purchased it, why didn't he see/hear this?
It really sucks that people have no morals and will do anything for money. I hope you can make this right for yourself.
'06 750Li Sapphire/Creme
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From: Charlotte, NC
Originally Posted by KN_TL
Maybe this was mentioned before and I just missed it.
But if this was the case from the auction paperwork and your mechanic inspected it BEFORE you purchased it, why didn't he see/hear this?
It really sucks that people have no morals and will do anything for money. I hope you can make this right for yourself.
But if this was the case from the auction paperwork and your mechanic inspected it BEFORE you purchased it, why didn't he see/hear this?
It really sucks that people have no morals and will do anything for money. I hope you can make this right for yourself.
Three Wheelin'
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From: Chicagoland
Most dealer purchased vehicles have an implied warranty of merchantability for 30 days. It varies from state to state. However with a major failure like and engine its worth a consult with a lawyer over if this an actionable issue.
it's a car-drive it
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From: North Carolina
i wish you alot of luck-places like that give reputable dealers a bad name. The place my daughter bought her first car from (a buy here,pay here place) gave her a 30 day warranty.
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Originally Posted by jmurray89
actually my mechanic said the engine was clean...turns out the dealer had used a chemical to flush out the engine and get rid of sludge and then put a thick oil in to mask the knock...
Karma will catch up with these characters.
Keep us posted j
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