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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 02:06 AM
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I'll have to agree with everyone else. Somehow this has to do with the material and design that is bringing about all these rattles. Not sure if there are any differences nowadays with the tolerances on the interfaces. I also noticed that black dash is turning white on the passenger side. If I look carefully under certain lighting coditions, you can see the outline of the passenger airbag opening. I have taken my car to car washes and have explicity stated not to use any chemicals on it. If I wipe the dash with my hand, I can see the the dash becomes even more whiter. Anyone know how to return the dash back to like new condition?
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 03:15 AM
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Anyone know how to return the dash back to like new condition?
http://www.303products.com/main.php?infopage=protectant
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 06:31 AM
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One common theme I see throughout the posts was how reliable the legend was with 140,000, 165,000, etc... You will not get that reliability from the tl.. No way no how. The 99 tls are now aging and have upwards of 100K and there are many more issues with them then there was with the legend...

It is not where it is built is it how well and the quality of components. The 95 legend was a 40K+ car where the 05 TL is a 35K car... Makes a big difference on what process you can use and the cost of materials. The legend did not share the same basic chasis as a much cheaper car like the TL does.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 08:39 AM
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After reading many threads on this forum where people complain about the quality of the American built TL and compare it to the Japanese built Legend I feel that I'm qualified to make a comment. I've owned 3 TL's, a 2001 TL, a 2002 TL-S, and now a 2004 TL, and a Legend. There is really not much on the Legend that was of better quality except the paint. The TL has the new EPA paint with all the lead removed and is definately not as durable. The Legend had thicker leather on the seats, but it was very stiff and not as comfortable as the TL. The TL has a much nicer interior overall. The cupholder on the Legend was useless, and rattled when pulled out for use. I can't count the number of times that I bumped a drink and spilled it with the Legend, not so in the TL which has a great cup holder system. Besides, the Legend cupholder was flimsy and prone to break when pulled out...and expensive to repair. The dashboard wasn't built as well in the Legend, and the plastic was harder and cheaper looking than the soft compliant material used in the TL. The stereo system in the Legend is not in the same class as the new TL DVD-A system. When you close the door on the new TL, you get a nice solid "thunk" and this was not the case on the Legend. It had a typical Japanese door sound when closed, not bad, but certainly not as nice as the TL. The transmission in the Legend was rough especially in the first to second gear shift. The TL while not perfect, and has had it's problems, shifts very smooth, and was the first thing I noticed when I got my first TL. I now have a 6 speed in the '04, so I can't comment on the new automatic, but both TL's previously had very smooth automatic transmissions, and I never had any trouble with either one.

Now, I loved that Legend, and still think that the 2door Legend was one of the nicest looking cars around. I just loved the styling then, and still do. It was a very nice car in it's day, but it just doesn't compare to the '04 TL, which I think is the nicest car money can buy for $35,000.

My dad still has his Pearl White 93 legend coupe and that car STILL looks good with nearly 200K miles on it. After all these miles, it only had one major repair. It was this car that first got me into Acura. Eventhough I have a 05 TL and another car, I would buy his car in a heartbeat if he ever wanted to get rid of it. I wish he would have gotten that NSX so he could sell me the Legend. He bought his wife a brand new RL last year so I don't think he's going to be getting rid of the Legend anytime soon. But I can dream can't I?
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 09:02 AM
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Originally Posted by ACCURATEin
Heres my 94 legend GS sedan...



I had a 91 coupe LS before that

The styling of the coupe was far ahead of its competitors at the time.
That legend is so sweet. Wanna sell it?
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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Beautiful.

Thaks man.. It looks a LOT different now.. In a good way..
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 11:03 AM
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Originally Posted by mickey3c
One common theme I see throughout the posts was how reliable the legend was with 140,000, 165,000, etc... You will not get that reliability from the tl.. No way no how. The 99 tls are now aging and have upwards of 100K and there are many more issues with them then there was with the legend...

It is not where it is built is it how well and the quality of components. The 95 legend was a 40K+ car where the 05 TL is a 35K car... Makes a big difference on what process you can use and the cost of materials. The legend did not share the same basic chasis as a much cheaper car like the TL does.
Two sides to every story. I believe I will get the same reliability out of my TL as all of the other "Honda" products Ive had. Honda/Acura is popular in Atlanta. There are alot of 10yr+ examples rolling around. A gang of Vigors/Legends/TL/RL. Because of those examples, I believe I'll get the same reliability or better out of my 04/TL
Now I know everycar has it problems.
The 86 to 90 Legend Coupe was prone to front axle problems. The 91-93 legends has minor tranny slipps and "puff of smoke" coming out of the tail pipe after 100K (not every car, but enogh to be noticed). Yes, the Legend was and is a legend, and like most legends it take a long time to appreciate a thing to be a "legend". In ten years i'm sure the 2004-2006 Acura TL will be regarded as a 'great deal' of a car and "you'd be lucky to get one", just like the Legend is regarded in that manor today. I remember when the "new" 91 Legend came out in 91, the complaint then was " I'm not paying 30K+ for a "Honda", Honda must be crazy. Times and opinions do change.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 12:35 PM
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Originally Posted by mickey3c
One common theme I see throughout the posts was how reliable the legend was with 140,000, 165,000, etc... You will not get that reliability from the tl.. No way no how. The 99 tls are now aging and have upwards of 100K and there are many more issues with them then there was with the legend...

It is not where it is built is it how well and the quality of components. The 95 legend was a 40K+ car where the 05 TL is a 35K car... Makes a big difference on what process you can use and the cost of materials. The legend did not share the same basic chasis as a much cheaper car like the TL does.
Whatever man. I have over 140k miles on my first gen TL and NOTHING is wrong with it. It will last a much longer time. I'm allowed to talk about the first gen because you're mentioning the second gen. And what about the TSX? It's a cheaper car, and Sauceman has I think over 175000 on his already and it's been reliable. I don't see why that wouldn't be expected from the 04+ TL.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 12:40 PM
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Funny how this post came back from the dead. Yeah..the Legend has older technology and cost more than the TL, but technology is what advances in automobiles. I still think the Legend was a great car....beautifull beyond compare in the coupe model, but the technology of the TL makes it a better car IMHO. It's quieter, quicker, more comfortable, and handles better.

Thanks for the pictures of those awesome Legends. I wish I had a picture of my old Legend to post. It was black with black shoe leather interior.....the leather was like shoe leather...thick, tough, and not as comfortable as the glove leather in my TL...but it didn't have buttprints...LOL!!!!!
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 06:38 PM
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Originally Posted by JetJock
Funny how this post came back from the dead. Yeah..the Legend has older technology and cost more than the TL, but technology is what advances in automobiles. I still think the Legend was a great car....beautifull beyond compare in the coupe model, but the technology of the TL makes it a better car IMHO. It's quieter, quicker, more comfortable, and handles better.

Thanks for the pictures of those awesome Legends. I wish I had a picture of my old Legend to post. It was black with black shoe leather interior.....the leather was like shoe leather...thick, tough, and not as comfortable as the glove leather in my TL...but it didn't have buttprints...LOL!!!!!
Yeah the first gen TL has leather like that. Tough.
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Old Jun 24, 2005 | 06:55 PM
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No butt prints in my TL(s)

130,000 miles and counting in the '97 and I've only had to get the starter motor repaired. The C32A motor in the Legend/1st gen TL is solid.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 06:10 AM
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Your opinion but that's not a fact, just an opinion.

The only way to know this is to wait a decade and report back.

Note to others, set reminder for 2015 to report back reliablity on TL to this thread


Originally Posted by mickey3c
One common theme I see throughout the posts was how reliable the legend was with 140,000, 165,000, etc... You will not get that reliability from the tl.. No way no how. The 99 tls are now aging and have upwards of 100K and there are many more issues with them then there was with the legend...

It is not where it is built is it how well and the quality of components. The 95 legend was a 40K+ car where the 05 TL is a 35K car... Makes a big difference on what process you can use and the cost of materials. The legend did not share the same basic chasis as a much cheaper car like the TL does.
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Old Jun 25, 2005 | 03:45 PM
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how to say that?

u r so nostalgic...?
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Old Jun 27, 2005 | 08:37 PM
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IMO,

When your comparing the times when legend's came out.. and when TL's came out..

Legends were WAYYYY farther ahead of their time at that time than the TL's are at this time.

legend's some of the best cars money could buy for the person who wanted "everything in a car".

TL's are awesome cars.. they're just not as "beyond they're time" like the legends were in the late 80's/early 90's.

Of course the new product is revised and much more sophisticated. But damn near every option you see in the new TL besides navi and voice activation primarily were on the old legends..

none of the other Acura models had that kind of stuff back then.

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Old Jun 27, 2005 | 09:48 PM
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Its SAD but the Legend is still arguably the best Acura sedan ever. That says tons about the Legend and the brand. It says the Legend was truly incredible and 15 years later, Acura has only made gains in offering more technology but not building a better car.

I know Legend owners that despise the new Acuras, its like how old Benz owners know the bad quality difference in the new Benzs.

The Legend GS offered 230hp in what 1994 WITH a 6 speed. So in 11 years, we have gained 40hp? Legend had real wood, TL fake. LEgend built in Japan WHERE IT SHOULD be, the TL in America (thus the HUGE reason the TL is so much cheaper)
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Old Jun 27, 2005 | 09:54 PM
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When I had a meeting with an Acura Representative about my 02 TL-P Bose system problems, he and I struck up a conversation about Honda/Acura and their history.

He said, and I quote:

"The best car we've ever produced was the 90-95 Legend."

I've always felt that way, and I told him that this was a common belief among Acura loyalists. I love Acuras, and while I like the new technology and no longer dream of owning a Legend, I can't help but feel a sense of pride and respect when I see a well cared for Legend on the road. That car was years and years ahead of its time, and it's still as beautiful today as it was all those years ago.

IMO, the Legend is as its name implies.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 01:26 AM
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The center console wood grain piece in the Legend GS costs:

$1,887 and something cents.



Look it up.
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 10:27 AM
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Back in the mid 90's the Legend was competing with BMW's 3/5 Series. (Hence the 5-spd/ 6-Speed Coupe and sedan options) For a mid 90's Japanese car the Legend did have alot of options that are now common on newer Acuras.

The USDM Spec Legend came with:

-6-Spd or 5-Spd option on Coupe's and Sedans.

-TCS

-Power rear passanger window (coupes) Like the CL series Benz

-Motorized Telescopic Sterring Wheel

-Motorized courtsey Seat Belt (Coupes) On opening the door the seatbelt will retract to allow rear passangers ease of getting into the back seat.

-Heated Seats

-3.2 V6 w/ 230 HP

-Suction Doors (on the coupes) Think S Class Benz

-Real walnut Burlwood (Standard on all LS/GS models) Yeah A new wood replacment for the LS/GS will run up to $3K

-16 Inch Rims (Back in 93-95 when 17's were consider 20's)

-Audio controls on the sterring wheel



The European/Japanese Honda Legend came with:

Everything above except The 5/6 spd option.

But they had:

-233 HP/ 211 FT Tq

-1-Peice headlamps (JDM Legend)

-European E4 spec Headlamps (the headlamp is made out of glass)

-Auto leveling Headlamps (Controled by a switch on the center console) European Legend

-Full leather Interior (everything except the dash center console and rear deck)

-Navigation (JDM Legend)

-Reverse camera (On JDM Legends with Navi)
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Old Jun 28, 2005 | 09:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Thai.95LCoupe
Back in the mid 90's the Legend was competing with BMW's 3/5 Series. (Hence the 5-spd/ 6-Speed Coupe and sedan options) For a mid 90's Japanese car the Legend did have alot of options that are now common on newer Acuras.

The USDM Spec Legend came with:

-6-Spd or 5-Spd option on Coupe's and Sedans.

-TCS

-Power rear passanger window (coupes) Like the CL series Benz

-Motorized Telescopic Sterring Wheel

-Motorized courtsey Seat Belt (Coupes) On opening the door the seatbelt will retract to allow rear passangers ease of getting into the back seat.

-Heated Seats

-3.2 V6 w/ 230 HP

-Suction Doors (on the coupes) Think S Class Benz

-Real walnut Burlwood (Standard on all LS/GS models) Yeah A new wood replacment for the LS/GS will run up to $3K

-16 Inch Rims (Back in 93-95 when 17's were consider 20's)

-Audio controls on the sterring wheel



The European/Japanese Honda Legend came with:

Everything above except The 5/6 spd option.

But they had:

-233 HP/ 211 FT Tq

-1-Peice headlamps (JDM Legend)

-European E4 spec Headlamps (the headlamp is made out of glass)

-Auto leveling Headlamps (Controled by a switch on the center console) European Legend

-Full leather Interior (everything except the dash center console and rear deck)

-Navigation (JDM Legend)

-Reverse camera (On JDM Legends with Navi)

That is good to know! Thanks. The LEgend is probably still the best Acura sedan ever made, which doesn't say much about the new cars.
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Old Jan 2, 2006 | 11:36 PM
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The Legend...well, what can I say, except that it IS A LEGEND!!!


IMO that is!!!


The first Acura I ever sat in was an NSX but the first Acura I ever DROVE was a Legend. That car had it all...and then you factor in the 2 door Legend and BAMN...HOMERUN!!!!

I was in high school and was driving a friend's Legend. That car was fast, really fast compared to my Celica, and it was luxury. I mean, that BOSE tape, yes tape, player was PIMP for its day. People around here that drove Legends were driving style around. In the mid-90's that car smashed other cars such as Infiniti, Lexus/Toyota and especially Cadillac.

I later dated a girl that had a 2 door Legend and I was really upset when she got rid of it...the Maxima that she had after it never compared. (Could that be the REAL reason we broke up??!!!!) jk

But seriously...I really liked the Legend, always have, always will.

Just my
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 06:44 AM
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My legend did not make as frequent trips to the the dealer as the TL did. The legend was much better made than the TL. Sure there are developments made in interior materials and so forth, but the legend was much better made.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 09:45 PM
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I purchased a 94 Acura Legend GS Sedan in 2001 and drove it for three years until i purchased the 04 Acura TL.

The Legend inspired me to get the TL.

That Acura Legend was a tank...it never failed.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 10:31 PM
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I understand what you are saying, but Legend in its day was a very well built car. I own a 94 GS which was top of the line back then. The car even today after 115K miles feels solid as a rock! Build quality is just awesome!
You have to remember that car technology of 1990 when Legend was designed was quite primitive - i.e., computer use was virtually non existent!
I love the shape of my Legend and I think the new TL is the second good looking car from Acura after Legend in all these years. That said, comparing the TL to Legend is just not fair IMHO.
Legend will always be a Legend!
well said...oh how i miss my Legend
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 10:40 PM
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My '94 Legend only has about 34,000 miles on it. I hardly ever drive it. But I think it needs a new timing belt, and probably new spark plugs. It's still on its original tires. Maybe I should get new tires too, and new brake pads.

It's strange how I haven't seen a Legend with aftermarket wheels that look better on it than the OEM wheels do. Maybe it's just me...

Another strange thing...on my NSXs and the Legend, there are virtually no blindspots. I can't say the same about the TL.
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Old Jan 3, 2006 | 11:37 PM
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I want to see pics of your Legend, Sebring...
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 12:19 AM
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
I want to see pics of your Legend, Sebring...
Here ya go...(taken with my Sony Ericsson K750i, so it's not very sharp)...

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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 12:25 AM
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You're right, I love the way a stock Legend looks. Is that a loaded model?
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by SebringSilver
Here ya go...(taken with my Sony Ericsson K750i, so it's not very sharp)...



That's the TWIN of the 1st Acura I ever drove. That picture took me back in time!!!!!!

Your car looks damn good, especially for the age!!!!!!

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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 12:31 AM
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
You're right, I love the way a stock Legend looks. Is that a loaded model?
Loaded? Hmmm.....that was about 12 years ago, I really don't remember what boxes I ticked or didn't tick. But I can tell you that the rocking driver's seat problem persists to this day. Grrrrrr....
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 12:32 AM
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Originally Posted by jimstsx
That's the TWIN of the 1st Acura I ever drove. That picture took me back in time!!!!!!

Your car looks damn good, especially for the age!!!!!!

Thanks! I wish I could say the same about me....
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 12:38 AM
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Originally Posted by SebringSilver
Thanks! I wish I could say the same about me....

HAHAHAHA.....likewise....

Let's see, I was in high school and had just gotten a license...so that means no job, no worries, no bills, no anything, JUST FUN!!!

May I say it again though....that car looks good!!!
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 12:44 AM
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Originally Posted by jimstsx
HAHAHAHA.....likewise....

Let's see, I was in high school and had just gotten a license...so that means no job, no worries, no bills, no anything, JUST FUN!!!

May I say it again though....that car looks good!!!
God, now I feel REALLY old.

Anyway, I do like the way the car has aged so gracefully. I guess prodigious use of Autoglym (in the past) and Meguiar's (nowadays) products seems to help. Mechanically though, it needs a bit of work.

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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 01:02 AM
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I heard that years are harder on cars than miles and that not driving a car had worse effects than driving it constantly, but I don't know how much truth is in that..

But my 02 TL was driven only 9,000 miles in 2 years before I bought it last year, and it had its fair share of problems under warranty - more than most on this board. Could just be coincidental.
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 01:07 AM
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6
I heard that years are harder on cars than miles and that not driving a car had worse effects than driving it constantly, but I don't know how much truth is in that..

But my 02 TL was driven only 9,000 miles in 2 years before I bought it last year, and it had its fair share of problems under warranty - more than most on this board. Could just be coincidental.
There's likely a few nuggets of wisdom in that. Fortunately for me, the "mechanical problems" of which I speak are really nothing, just that the engine's running rougher than it used to. I'll get around to dealing with that soon.

Has anyone noticed how good it looks when cars (like the Legend and the TL) have that really short overhang at the front? I like that look very much.
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 01:08 AM
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The Legend is a great car. We still have a 94 GS Legend sedan w/ 91k miles and it still looks new. This car has aged very well. We have had no major issues with this car at all. The legend was the reason i fell in love with acura. Even now, the legend's interior looks less aged than my former 03 TL-S. The car still performs great and still feels solid.

Here are some pics



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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 01:11 AM
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Whoa...looking good!
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 02:10 AM
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Gorgeous. how many miles on that one?
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 06:52 PM
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Originally Posted by 03CoupeV6


Gorgeous. how many miles on that one?
I think he mentioned it's got 91,000 miles on it.
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 10:38 PM
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i was trying to find a legend after i was in the market for an Acura... i couldn't find a clean one so ended up getting the next closest thing... 1st gen TL... same engine and setup... but after driving a last gen legend and 3rd gen TL... obviously the newer TL has more toys but its a feeling i get driving the legend and also a 1st gen TL... its prob all in my mind but u can def tell the difference...

i have never had any major mechanical probs on the TL (knocks on wood)... and a few of my friends have had their second gens on their 3rd tranny already...
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Old Jan 4, 2006 | 11:01 PM
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I do have to note one thing on the TL that I was given as a loaner and I need TL owner's input for this one.

At just under 1K miles when I picked it up it sounded like the speakers were screwed. Upon further review it seems that the center speaker in the dash sounded blown.

Now, are the speakers sub-par or did someone just blow them by being a dumb ass?

That has confused me for a few weeks and since I won't be driving a TL in the near future I thought this would be a good time to ask.
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