I'll Never Buy an Acura Again.
11-14-2013 | 09:38 PM
#41
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So it failed in 100kms or 60k miles?
Metal shavings usually indicate a torque converter failure, especially if there was aluminum or even brass. The trans could be ok. You need to take it to a place that can actually diagnose it, Acura is the worst, they just say it's junk and replace it.
Metal shavings usually indicate a torque converter failure, especially if there was aluminum or even brass. The trans could be ok. You need to take it to a place that can actually diagnose it, Acura is the worst, they just say it's junk and replace it.
Are you guys thinking that I'm saying my car died at 100,000 miles? I'm talking kilometers here, eh? I would be more understanding if my car died at 160,000 miles.Is it difficult to access the torque converter when you crack open the transmission? I'm sure the cost of labour to replace a TC would be cheaper, would it not?
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11-14-2013 | 09:43 PM
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I've seen many rebuilds not make it 10 feet before failing. The customer will never know because it gets pulled out and fixed before they pick it up. The best screwup I've ever seen was when a builder for the place I worked at put a sprag (one-way) clutch in backwards. The Mercedes would take off normally and then lock up the tires when it shifted to second gear.
11-14-2013 | 09:55 PM
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It failed at 60,000 miles or 100,000kms where I live Are you guys thinking that I'm saying my car died at 100,000 miles? I'm talking kilometers here, eh? I would be more understanding if my car died at 160,000 miles.
Is it difficult to access the torque converter when you crack open the transmission? I'm sure the cost of labour to replace a TC would be cheaper, would it not?
Are you guys thinking that I'm saying my car died at 100,000 miles? I'm talking kilometers here, eh? I would be more understanding if my car died at 160,000 miles.Is it difficult to access the torque converter when you crack open the transmission? I'm sure the cost of labour to replace a TC would be cheaper, would it not?
The torque converter is slid onto the input shaft of the transmission. One side bolts to the engines flywheel or flex plate and the other is splined into the transmission. It couples the engine and transmission.
To get to the torque converter you pull the trans out and the converter will slide right off of its shaft. It's in the bellhousing, outside of the trans so no transmission disassembly is required. Labor should be exactly the same to replace the converter as it is to pull the trans. You can usually get a converter for $200-$300.
11-14-2013 | 11:13 PM
#44
If you let your wife's life insurance lapse and she dies 2 months later are they gonna pay a claim because the death was inconvenient and you didn't realize it wasn't in force?
If you don't pay your homeowners policy and your house catches fire, is the insurance company or builder responsible?
If the manufacturers warranty on your Sony HDTV goes by a few days and poof the sucker pukes on you, are they gonna give you a new one or repair it for free?
Sorry but an oversight on when the warranty was up shouldn't be an excuse to sling mud? I can sympathize with you and feel your pain. But maybe your anger is aimed at the wrong place?
If you don't pay your homeowners policy and your house catches fire, is the insurance company or builder responsible?
If the manufacturers warranty on your Sony HDTV goes by a few days and poof the sucker pukes on you, are they gonna give you a new one or repair it for free?
Sorry but an oversight on when the warranty was up shouldn't be an excuse to sling mud? I can sympathize with you and feel your pain. But maybe your anger is aimed at the wrong place?
11-15-2013 | 12:23 AM
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tansmissions on these cars are crap, i have had 2 of them in my car 60K and it fails? There is a reason that most of us tell people to stay away from the 5 speed autos up to the 2006 model year...
the first honda i bought was a 1994 honda accord that was a salvage title at 60K, I drove the car another 108K and then sold it to my friend. Now it is 20 years old and 200K and IT STILL RUNS ON THE SAME ENGINE AND AUTO TRANS. I was so impressed that I bought another accord, a 1998 V6 had the transmission rebuilt 4 times within 11K miles, sold it for my current car which had the trans replaced at 70K and the replacement trans isn't that hot either despite being the redsigned model that 70K on it
the first honda i bought was a 1994 honda accord that was a salvage title at 60K, I drove the car another 108K and then sold it to my friend. Now it is 20 years old and 200K and IT STILL RUNS ON THE SAME ENGINE AND AUTO TRANS. I was so impressed that I bought another accord, a 1998 V6 had the transmission rebuilt 4 times within 11K miles, sold it for my current car which had the trans replaced at 70K and the replacement trans isn't that hot either despite being the redsigned model that 70K on it
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11-15-2013 | 12:06 PM
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Used car sales are final, unless you are this guy LOL https://acurazine.com/forums/california-308/craigslist-sale-gone-wrong-d-887946/
11-16-2013 | 02:59 PM
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Used car sales are final, unless you are this guy LOL https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=887946
11-20-2013 | 12:44 PM
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Did you get a quote from an independent transmission shop? I feel your pain. I've spent over $12,000 on my 06TL that I bought at 77k miles (now at 122k), and I didn't pay much more than that for it in 09. Just got mine back from an independent transmission shop with a $4425 repair bill (likely would have been over $6k at the dealer but mine's an MT). Hope everything works out.
For anyone who wants to read my troubles:
I have a pre-owned 06 TL with 109,000kms that I have owned for the past two years and my experience has gone from absolutely love it to a pure garbage product.
Recently I noticed a whining from my automatic transmission which I read was something quite common. I read anything from a clogged filter to having to buy a new transmission. A few days later I was driving and lost first gear completely. I had to park it on the side of the road as I lost Drive and Reverse. I towed it to a garage and started the car and was able to drive it(into the service bay). I had them pull the bolt and they noticed some shavings and said I needed a new transmission and it would cost $4,000 to purchase a rebuilt one and install it. Great.
Flustured and at a loss for words I called Acura Customer Relations and they said that the car was past warranty(by 9,000kms and two years), but if I had the car towed to an Acura dealership they could possibly work something out as long as they did the diagnostic. So by now I've had the car towed, had a transmission drained and re-filled, and towed to an Acura dealership to hopefully get some better insight.
I realized a couple days later and remembered that I had extended warranty purchased with the car. When I went over my plan I saw that it expired November 5th. The car broke down on November 11th. I called the insurance company and they said "Nope, sorry. If you had made a work order with Acura on the 4th we would've been able to help you".
So today I spoke with Customer Relations again and they said nothing would be covered and that nothing can be done. So my TL with 109,000kms is only good for 109,000kms until it's deemed useless. A repair bill that is 1/4 of what I paid for my car? That's disgusting.
I have always stood by the reliability and quality of these vehicles and told everyone how they're great cars. After this ordeal I've done a complete 180.
I have a pre-owned 06 TL with 109,000kms that I have owned for the past two years and my experience has gone from absolutely love it to a pure garbage product.
Recently I noticed a whining from my automatic transmission which I read was something quite common. I read anything from a clogged filter to having to buy a new transmission. A few days later I was driving and lost first gear completely. I had to park it on the side of the road as I lost Drive and Reverse. I towed it to a garage and started the car and was able to drive it(into the service bay). I had them pull the bolt and they noticed some shavings and said I needed a new transmission and it would cost $4,000 to purchase a rebuilt one and install it. Great.
Flustured and at a loss for words I called Acura Customer Relations and they said that the car was past warranty(by 9,000kms and two years), but if I had the car towed to an Acura dealership they could possibly work something out as long as they did the diagnostic. So by now I've had the car towed, had a transmission drained and re-filled, and towed to an Acura dealership to hopefully get some better insight.
I realized a couple days later and remembered that I had extended warranty purchased with the car. When I went over my plan I saw that it expired November 5th. The car broke down on November 11th. I called the insurance company and they said "Nope, sorry. If you had made a work order with Acura on the 4th we would've been able to help you".
So today I spoke with Customer Relations again and they said nothing would be covered and that nothing can be done. So my TL with 109,000kms is only good for 109,000kms until it's deemed useless. A repair bill that is 1/4 of what I paid for my car? That's disgusting.
I have always stood by the reliability and quality of these vehicles and told everyone how they're great cars. After this ordeal I've done a complete 180.
11-20-2013 | 02:34 PM
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Did you get a quote from an independent transmission shop? I feel your pain. I've spent over $12,000 on my 06TL that I bought at 77k miles (now at 122k), and I didn't pay much more than that for it in 09. Just got mine back from an independent transmission shop with a $4425 repair bill (likely would have been over $6k at the dealer but mine's an MT). Hope everything works out.
11-20-2013 | 07:03 PM
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I really hope that's the reason, that it had something to do with the previous owner. If I had an automatic transmission, I'd be over $9000 richer now (not including the lost opportunity cost), and my biggest repair would have been the front axles.
Here's the receipt.
Axle Seal 2 x $31.70
Front Seal $14.49
Main Counter Shaft Bearing 2 x $106.98
Main Mainshaft Bearing 2 x $103.53
2nd Gear and 2nd Gear Synchronizer Assembly $552.67
3rd Gear Set and Synchronizer Assembly $359.30
5-6 Synchronizer Assembly $274.26
5th Gear $104.23
6th Gear $129.68
Front Engine Mount $166.93
Top Transmission Mount $54.45
Rear Main Oil Seal $12.71
Clutch Set $281.25
Dual Mass Flywheel $343.75
Sway Bar Bushing 2 x $6.07
Synchromesh Fluid 3 x $9.63
Labor 14.5 x $95
Total Parts $2819.17
Tax $228.72
Grand Total $4425.49
Here's the receipt.
Axle Seal 2 x $31.70
Front Seal $14.49
Main Counter Shaft Bearing 2 x $106.98
Main Mainshaft Bearing 2 x $103.53
2nd Gear and 2nd Gear Synchronizer Assembly $552.67
3rd Gear Set and Synchronizer Assembly $359.30
5-6 Synchronizer Assembly $274.26
5th Gear $104.23
6th Gear $129.68
Front Engine Mount $166.93
Top Transmission Mount $54.45
Rear Main Oil Seal $12.71
Clutch Set $281.25
Dual Mass Flywheel $343.75
Sway Bar Bushing 2 x $6.07
Synchromesh Fluid 3 x $9.63
Labor 14.5 x $95
Total Parts $2819.17
Tax $228.72
Grand Total $4425.49
That sucks. I wonder if it's as simple as the way it was treated by the previous owner??? Mine has had an alternator and a headlight go out in the 124,000 miles I've owned it but I've treated it very nice since it was new. I know it's already done but there's nothing with a manual that could possibly cost $4425, that sucks.
11-20-2013 | 08:21 PM
#53
^that sucks man, I was reading through your other thread, sorry to hear it hit the wallet pretty hard. however I think most people can agree that's an aberration, it certainly isn't typical of Honda MTs.
11-20-2013 | 08:41 PM
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Thanks.
Well, unless you're among those that believe the synchronizers should last the life of the car, you're going to be faced with worn synchronizers eventually. Once that happens, you will be faced with a multithousand dollar repair bill, so to me, it's not a matter of "if" but "when." I don't feel that my bill is an aberration because all the parts and prices are legit, and even if you don't need the gears replaced, it's only going to bring it down a few hundred dollars. Synchronizers are a wear item, so they're going to wear out eventually. I just didn't expect the parts to cost so, so much.
The transmission shop owner told me that it doesn't take much to damage a manual transmission, so that's why they only warranty MT repairs for 1 year. How long an MT lasts is highly dependent on the driver.
Anyway, I'm happy to have my car back, and I look forward to seeing how long my like-new transmission will last =)
Well, unless you're among those that believe the synchronizers should last the life of the car, you're going to be faced with worn synchronizers eventually. Once that happens, you will be faced with a multithousand dollar repair bill, so to me, it's not a matter of "if" but "when." I don't feel that my bill is an aberration because all the parts and prices are legit, and even if you don't need the gears replaced, it's only going to bring it down a few hundred dollars. Synchronizers are a wear item, so they're going to wear out eventually. I just didn't expect the parts to cost so, so much.
The transmission shop owner told me that it doesn't take much to damage a manual transmission, so that's why they only warranty MT repairs for 1 year. How long an MT lasts is highly dependent on the driver.
Anyway, I'm happy to have my car back, and I look forward to seeing how long my like-new transmission will last =)
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