I hate that 6 Speed (speaking my mind)
#41
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Originally Posted by S PAW 1
This is like the student criticizing the instructor
You made some assumptions that Southernboy never put in his statement, somehow to make yourself look like an authority. He bases his educated comments upon what others have voiced over the last several years, and he has contributed invaluable factual information. I would suggest you listen a little more closely!
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You made some assumptions that Southernboy never put in his statement, somehow to make yourself look like an authority. He bases his educated comments upon what others have voiced over the last several years, and he has contributed invaluable factual information. I would suggest you listen a little more closely!
While his comments were a little abrupt, he's probably right. Wear can't really be the issue, because many (I might even say most) of the posts here are in new cars. My issue with 3rd gear (notchiness & grind, no popping out) made it self known on the 2nd day I owned it- had <100 miles. I learned to deal with it very quickly, and pay close attention to 3rd gear engagement. I wonder if those who've spent less time driving manuals miss the subtle feel of 3rd gear not quite engaging, and then it pops out- inexperience, if you will.
GM synchromesh has made the 3rd gear issue go away, but now I'm not happy with 2nd gear when it's cold. C'est la vie- it's still an awesome car, otherwise.
#42
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Originally Posted by fish008
I will confirm it. I got into with some guys from the second gen side and wound up calling Pennzoil. They (Pennzoil) confirmed it for me. It's not that hard to believe if you think about it for two seconds. Can we all agree that GM doesn't make everything they put in their cars? The same goes for Acura and all other manufactures. They make cars and don't get caught up in the little stuff. When they need something specific they let someone make it that specializes in doing just that. When Bugatti needed a tire for the Veyron they didn’t make it themselves, they went to Michelin. That is how you run a good company and save R&D money for the things at matter. They also use the same name "synchromesh" which isnt exactly an everyday term and would likely be in violation of copyright infringement if they were not the same.
#43
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Originally Posted by fish008
... They also use the same name "synchromesh" which isnt exactly an everyday term and would likely be in violation of copyright infringement if they were not the same.
Anyhow, it's worked perfectly for me: not one bad shift into 3rd (or any other transmission issue) for over 15,000 miles now. I've driven sticks exclusively since '83, treat my car at least as well as Southern Boy
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#44
Originally Posted by TLin05
No, actually GM spells it without the first "h" ... "Syncromesh."
Anyhow, it's worked perfectly for me: not one bad shift into 3rd (or any other transmission issue) for over 15,000 miles now. I've driven sticks exclusively since '83, treat my car at least as well as Southern Boy
, and my otherwise perfect 05 used to have the "3rd gear problem" several times a week since it was brand new. Since the famous "cure in a bottle," not one single time.
Anyhow, it's worked perfectly for me: not one bad shift into 3rd (or any other transmission issue) for over 15,000 miles now. I've driven sticks exclusively since '83, treat my car at least as well as Southern Boy
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#45
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Originally Posted by fish008
Is that right?
Glad to hear that it is working for you either way.
Glad to hear that it is working for you either way.
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Originally Posted by aznbo187
If you don't feel like going to GM and ordering it, Pepboys carries the Pennzoil Synchromesh. Same thing, just rebottled. And a few bucks cheaper.
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Originally Posted by 3rdGenHybrid
ill try that GM fluid...but i think its kinda ridiculous that i have to use a GM product in a Foreign car with only 10k to fix a problem that honda has had for years...
who gives a shit?........ really.
it is what it is. just use it and we shall never hear of this again,
when I picked up my bottles from the GM dealer their parts manager said, "we send cases to BMW every week"
#48
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I'm glad you are going to take the advice and try the GM stuff OP. You'll be glad you did! I get sick and tired of people asking for advice and then keep whining once you give them a viable and simple solution to the problem!
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Originally Posted by S PAW 1
This is like the student criticizing the instructor
You made some assumptions that Southernboy never put in his statement, somehow to make yourself look like an authority. He bases his educated comments upon what others have voiced over the last several years, and he has contributed invaluable factual information. I would suggest you listen a little more closely!
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You made some assumptions that Southernboy never put in his statement, somehow to make yourself look like an authority. He bases his educated comments upon what others have voiced over the last several years, and he has contributed invaluable factual information. I would suggest you listen a little more closely!
You really need to read his post a little closer. The statement in his orginal post was "I would say perhaps it might be found in too much mating surface material being worn off of the 3rd gear synchronizers." This is simply not a reasonable conclusion for a brand new transmission.
I agree with his follow up to my post. "This would lead me to believe a problem in one of three initial areas: design, installation, or materials."
#50
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I had a problem with third when I first got the car, I changed the fluid with new Honda mtf and I now change it every oil change and haven't had a problem since!
#51
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Originally Posted by bmaczo6
What??? Southernboy has never experienced the problem and continues to post that he can not understand how some people experience the problem and others don't.
Originally Posted by bmaczo6
I have first hand experience with the problem. If someone was to follow the threads closely as I have you will find that it occurs on brand new cars from day 1. This is not something that slowly develops. You might want to read a few more threads about the 3rd gear problem so you can speak with a little more authority.
Originally Posted by bmaczo6
You really need to read his post a little closer. The statement in his orginal post was "I would say perhaps it might be found in too much mating surface material being worn off of the 3rd gear synchronizers." This is simply not a reasonable conclusion for a brand new transmission.
Originally Posted by bmaczo6
I agree with his follow up to my post. "This would lead me to believe a problem in one of three initial areas: design, installation, or materials."
I still find it hard to imagine how some owners have the problem while others don't. For qualification purposes, this simply means what I said above. And that is how Acura/Honda can manufacture and install some manuals which deliver dependable and predicted service while others act in peculiar and strange ways.
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Originally Posted by darksom1
Sure, it would be nice to buy a car and everything worked right and did what it was supposed to do. But in a world where one dealership sells the same car as another, but won't honor the same warranty claims, sometimes when it won't work, and it's less of a headache to take it into your own hands - take it into your own hands. Remember the grass is always greener on the other side. You could ditch the TL for another car because of a simple annoyance, only to find a bigger problem with the seemingly "better" alternative!!
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#53
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Originally Posted by trancemission
very well said Ray.
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#54
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Originally Posted by trancemission
yeah but its not friction modified. I was almost going to buy that as well.
I have a picture of it, not the best but it states that it replaces GM "12345577", and "12345349" (as stated on their website)
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So it's not the "friction modified" version, but honestly, I've had the horrible 3rd gear pop outs prior to the flush with Pennzoil. After the flush with Pennzoil, it's only been about 5 or 6 times total that it's popped out. So to me, it works. I don't prefer either one, I just happen to have a Pepboys thats easier to access and I haven't had any problems Pennzoil. I guess it really depends on whichever is more convenient for you, or if you have to have your piece of mind...just go with the GM Friction Modified stuff.
#56
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Originally Posted by aznbo187
After a bit of research, I think you are right. Although I can't confirm that it's not friction modified, it's not the exact replacement as the GM friction modified version everyone is talking about.
I have a picture of it, not the best but it states that it replaces GM "12345577", and "12345349" (as stated on their website)![](https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/flydealz/IMG_4941.jpg)
So it's not the "friction modified" version, but honestly, I've had the horrible 3rd gear pop outs prior to the flush with Pennzoil. After the flush with Pennzoil, it's only been about 5 or 6 times total that it's popped out. So to me, it works. I don't prefer either one, I just happen to have a Pepboys thats easier to access and I haven't had any problems Pennzoil. I guess it really depends on whichever is more convenient for you, or if you have to have your piece of mind...just go with the GM Friction Modified stuff.
I have a picture of it, not the best but it states that it replaces GM "12345577", and "12345349" (as stated on their website)
![](https://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e358/flydealz/IMG_4941.jpg)
So it's not the "friction modified" version, but honestly, I've had the horrible 3rd gear pop outs prior to the flush with Pennzoil. After the flush with Pennzoil, it's only been about 5 or 6 times total that it's popped out. So to me, it works. I don't prefer either one, I just happen to have a Pepboys thats easier to access and I haven't had any problems Pennzoil. I guess it really depends on whichever is more convenient for you, or if you have to have your piece of mind...just go with the GM Friction Modified stuff.
Ha! I just did a search and found it for you (I was right about the name too - yay me!)
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Absolutely NO pop outs or notches after the GM fluid change, by the way so why go with an "alternative"? Get the good stuff the first time! Oh yeah, thanks for bringing that up Mike!
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
This would almost certainly point to some sort of manufacturing error from design to assembly to installation.
You left off the rest of rest of the paragraph! The sentence I wrote which immediately follows the one you quoted says, "However, that would tend to result in greater difficulty in shifting into 3rd as well as grinding." In other words, I would find it hard to imagine how premature synchronizer wear might in and of itself result in popping out of a gear.
I would add to that list of three a fourth item. That of assembly.
You left off the rest of rest of the paragraph! The sentence I wrote which immediately follows the one you quoted says, "However, that would tend to result in greater difficulty in shifting into 3rd as well as grinding." In other words, I would find it hard to imagine how premature synchronizer wear might in and of itself result in popping out of a gear.
I would add to that list of three a fourth item. That of assembly.
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Originally Posted by gauravp123
lol
how many times are we going to debate the same shit? get the GM stuff and stfu!
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how many times are we going to debate the same shit? get the GM stuff and stfu!
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Originally Posted by aznbo187
Next transmission change will be with GM, I'll take your word trancemission.
you wont regret it az
I couldnt fucking believe it when I started driving it.
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Yeah, he's right. One of the primary reasons I have not gone the route of the new TL-S is because my '04 TL runs and works like a gem. There is that fear that you might give up something in hopes of getting what you think you really want, just to find out you made a mistake. It has happened to me.
which is the exact reason Im keeping my car for a very long time
when I turn 40 Im getting an NSX
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Don't jump the gun on a lock. We all want to hear what happens after he puts the elixir in. He'll be a believer then ![Thumbs Up](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/thumbsup.gif)
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Originally Posted by gauravp123
lol
how many times are we going to debate the same shit? get the GM stuff and stfu!
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how many times are we going to debate the same shit? get the GM stuff and stfu!
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gauravp123, lock it up! (excuse the pun)
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Originally Posted by gauravp123
lol
how many times are we going to debate the same shit? get the GM stuff and stfu!
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how many times are we going to debate the same shit? get the GM stuff and stfu!
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#68
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Originally Posted by trancemission
yeah Ill keep this open for now. But please if you just got here, start at the beginning.
Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
I still find it hard to imagine how some owners have the problem while others don't.
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Originally Posted by Adobeman
I used to hate new 3rd gear posts but now I'm a junkie. I was jonzing for a thread and this gave me a fix. It's just like watching the movie Groundhog Day...hilarious ! Over and over and over again.
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Originally Posted by Adobeman
Absolutely. No 3rd gear thread would be 1/4 as fun if you jumped in the middle. You need to read all of the setup and character development to make the payoff as exciting. I used to hate new 3rd gear posts but now I'm a junkie. I was jonzing for a thread and this gave me a fix. It's just like watching the movie Groundhog Day...hilarious ! Over and over and over again.
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Originally Posted by darksom1
Yo Ethan, take that damn little lock thing away from his ass! He uses that damn thing every other post! I think he just loves locking down threads or some shit!
gauravp123, lock it up! (excuse the pun)![rofl](https://acurazine.com/forums/images/smilies/rofl.gif)
gauravp123, lock it up! (excuse the pun)
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noob!!!! first learn your Internet terms & acronyms! then learn how to e-fight!!!
internet noob - we won't forget the NOOB questions you asked a few weeks ago
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Nice mouth. Does your momma know you talk like that?
so, to answer your question, nope!
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#74
My problem is difficulty getting into 3rd. Never has it popped out but perhaps the problems are related.
Here's the angle from my particular dealer that I haven't seen in this thread:
Push the clutch solidly to the floor & make a deliberate shift. Might be the placebo effect, but it seems to work, at least some of the time.
He says that the design basis from their F-1 racing trannies was used for our 6MT
Anyone care to weigh in on this explanation?
Here's the angle from my particular dealer that I haven't seen in this thread:
Push the clutch solidly to the floor & make a deliberate shift. Might be the placebo effect, but it seems to work, at least some of the time.
He says that the design basis from their F-1 racing trannies was used for our 6MT
Anyone care to weigh in on this explanation?
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Originally Posted by gauravp123
stop bum lickin' the mods!!!!!!!
noob!!!! first learn your Internet terms & acronyms! then learn how to e-fight!!!
internet noob - we won't forget the NOOB questions you asked a few weeks ago
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noob!!!! first learn your Internet terms & acronyms! then learn how to e-fight!!!
internet noob - we won't forget the NOOB questions you asked a few weeks ago
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But hell, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and attack me...if it's funny I'll laff too!
Damn...you actually said e-fight!
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#78
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Gm Synchromesh Fluid.....$9 Bucks A Quart....
Labor For Fluid Change.....free...i Work At The Damn Dealership...
Having 3rd Gear Catch Everytime....priceless....so Far So Good I Guess...its Been About 20 Degrees Outside...and It Still Catches Smooth....i Could Even Put It Into First Without Having To Come To A Complete Stop...
Labor For Fluid Change.....free...i Work At The Damn Dealership...
Having 3rd Gear Catch Everytime....priceless....so Far So Good I Guess...its Been About 20 Degrees Outside...and It Still Catches Smooth....i Could Even Put It Into First Without Having To Come To A Complete Stop...
#79
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Originally Posted by gauravp123
I haven't seen/spoken to her in about 7.5 years, she disowned her children back in 2001!
so, to answer your question, nope!
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so, to answer your question, nope!
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I leave for work around 4:45am every day. This morning when I went into my study to grab my keys and things, I checked the outside temperature (I have one of those remove wireless units for inside/outside weather info) and it was 9.5 degrees. In my garage, it was 26 degrees. I wanted to pay strict attention to my gearbox behavior under these conditions so that I could report on this thread what I found.
From the moment I backed out of my garage (about 45 seconds after starting the engine), the shifting action was smooth and as expected with no notchiness, grinding, or sluggishness. In other words, the cold temps had no affect on its operation whatsoever. The same held true all the way into work.
From the moment I backed out of my garage (about 45 seconds after starting the engine), the shifting action was smooth and as expected with no notchiness, grinding, or sluggishness. In other words, the cold temps had no affect on its operation whatsoever. The same held true all the way into work.