VegasRPh

Well, I was out and about today, just minding my own business when.................

I saw a new (30 days tags still on it) BMW 335i sedan sitting up at a stoplight. So, I thought to myself.............Why not?

I didn't motion over to the driver, I just pulled up slowly on him...........just to let him see that my 08 TL Type-S (Carbon Bronze) was WAY cooler/better looking than his Jet Black 335i.

Well, when the light turned green.......I jumped just a bit..........he bought the challenge........and it was on. So, basically........it was a "street start" from about 5 or 10 MPH. He nailed his Bimmer........I was all in my TL-S.

So, what happened?
Well, it was super close at first.........I was using my paddle shifters.......and I had turned the A/C OFF. Accidentally.........I hit the fuel cut-off/ rev limiter in 2nd gear.........which lost me some steam . By the time I got into 3rd, I was about 1/2 car behind him and I never gained any ground on him. CRAP! At 100MPH we both cooled our jets and I conceded to him. It was very close, but he did take me.

I blame my error on the 2nd to 3rd paddle shift + the fact that it was 108 degrees today in Las Vegas + my 5sp Auto vs his 6sp Auto (closer gearing). All-in-all, I think it was a close match...............maybe I will see him again.

erick3

wrong part of the forum...belongs in racing & competition
all in all though, still a very close race...you sure he was auto? you kept up very well considering... way to represent man!!!

helmsleyl

there's no way a TL-S will beat a 335, unless the person driving the 335 is a retard

VegasRPh

Sorry about posting in wrong spot. Yup, he was an auto. There are very few manual shifters here in Vegas. Yeah, I thought I had him, tho.

achenator

as an owner of both a regular TL and a 335i----no fuggin way

csmeance

Belongs in the racing section. Also I'd advise some caution before posting as you will be flammed in any thread for going near 100 on local streets, but feel to repost in the racing section.

DanL

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You sure it was a 335? If it was, either he was toying with you or he's got some serious issues with his car.

korrupted

I don't think he was trying very hard if it was that close.

Manual Transmission

A Type-S Auto is a no match for a 335i. I'm sure he wasn't racing as he should be breaking-in his car since his is new. The 335i is a better match with the IS350... I still have to say, you've got balls to try to race 335i lol.


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Eoanou

Normally a Type-S TL will be probably a car and a half or so behind a 335i by 100mph. The fact that you got the jump is probably why he was only a half car ahead by 100mph. Either way the 335i is a 13.6sec car and the TL being a 14.2sec car (1/4mile times) isn't a huge difference, if the 335i short shifts or misshifts the TL could end up on top.

anx1300c

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Type-S 5AT isn't a 14.2 car. More like 14.4-14.5. 8 or 9 tenths will mean way more than a car length and a half by 100.

iforyou

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Most likely the 335i driver short-shifted for many reasons - new to the car, don't want to push too hard on a new car, etc.

Soseductivesf

Seeing a 335 rape an older M5 off the line today... our T.L's have no chance against them..

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If the TL-S got the jump it may be a close race. You figure the TL could've jumped out by a carlength and 3-4mph by the time the 335 driver reacted. Now he has to make up the mph and the distance. Could be close to 100mph but the 335 should start putting buslengths on the TL up top.

It goes sort of along the same lines as when someone would want a head start in the 1/4 mile, I would back up before the starting line instead of letting the other guy pull forward past the starting line. Makes a big difference.

iforyou

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i agree, for example, i was racing my friend's E46 M3 using a E36 M3 in Forza2. Off the line he smoked me pretty badly. But when i got in front, and accelerated first at the corner exit, it would take him like 10 seconds to catch up on the straightaway, and by then we would already be at 120+mph. I know it's just a game, but I think it illustrates the point very well.

lostkhan

Turning off the A/C will give you 50 more HP.

acura00man

Sick story

Blazing GT

the guy wasnt racing you since his car was new. He obviously knew that he had a break in point.

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I don't know what happened and I don't care. But one thing is for sure, people don't not "try hard". You don't break your car in easy and then "only" give it 7/8 throttle to beat a TL. Once you're in the throttle that much you might as well floor it.

damnboy37

So you messed up and still kept up? Auto 335 are consistant low 13 sec cars (manuals a lil slower), just means he sucked at that run a lot more than you.

MVR 155

The 335 should have smoked you, I know you said it was 108 degrees out, turbo/sc'd cars are affected by hot weather more than a n/a car so maybe thats it.

scalbert

I ended up having an impromptu run with a newer TLS yesterday. He was behind me and when the approaching light changed to red he moved over. I wasn't sure he was going to try but the noise from his tires hinted at the intentions once the light was green.

Needless to say, it was over quickly and he was more than several lengths back by the time I ended 2nd. In fact, I believe he gave up midway as he was losing ground quickly.

It was really wasn't fair as my 335i looks and sounds completely stock but has a single modification which certainly helps.

erick3

interesting, may i ask what? chipped? is it really true that a CHIPPED 335i > CHIPPED M3?

scalbert

I have the PROcede V3.1 piggyback unit. I have a few more items waiting in the wings but that is all on the vehicle.

As for the M3 comparison, with the two top piggyback's and in acceleration only, they are pretty close. With a few other modifications to the 335i; DP's, exhaust, intake, etc., the 335i will be ahead. But this is just in acceleration, the M3 is more of a complete vehicle.

godfather2

if the beemer's engine would have been broken in, you would've been toast

Danielsc400

So I've seen the 335 v.s the M3 wars in E90post Your statement makes the most sense!

TLType-s12

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Srry OP its just not happenning. Im not sure what happened that day but The 335 is > TL as far as HP & Trq is concerned. Way quicker.

damnboy37

Makes sense, the Dinan S2 tune brings the 335 to 398hp/429tq, Dinan's hp is conservative because they are the only tuner BMW allows under warranty. The Dinan S3 M5 puts out 628hp/480tq, only a matter of time until Dinan gets into the s65 V8.

nova_G

a friend of mine was planning on getting the Dinan S2 tune but he told me it was only around 330-340 to the wheels? maybe your talking about at the crank or did it have full bolt ons? since last time i checked there was only a handful of 335i's over 400hp to the wheels and thats with full boltons jb3 and race map/gas heres a few dynos.

http://www.e90post.com/forums/showth...highlight=dyno

OctoberFestFan

stock 335i are pretty quick cars. They are geared pretty good and runs pretty close behind me a couple of time my friend and I pulled about 6 months ago. Granted my car is heavily modded, but the 335i is no slugger.

scalbert

Huh, geared pretty good? They have fairly long gears for this type of vehicle. For a specific analysis and overall gearing, see below:

Please remember that the higher the number, the shorter the gearing. Clearly the gearing is more aggressive in the Acura.

As for deciphering the rest, what is heavily modified and what is the vehicle just to put this in perspective?

iforyou

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With all that torque, I don't think the 335i needs to be geared too aggressively..lol.

damnboy37

^yup, turbos rely on longer gears.

edit

The Dinan S2 tune is 398 at the crank, about 340rwhp

jsacuratls

my roommate has a 07 325 and i have a 04 tl and i killed him from a 40 roll and 60 roll hahahahahaha

anx1300c

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And that just has so much to do with this thread.

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With the torque it puts out, it doesn't need shorter gears. On top of that, turbo motors love load which the taller gears provide. With shorter gears, it's possible the Bimmer could run the 1/4 a little slower.

There's a big difference in over 300lbs available just off idle to the typical Honda that makes it's 50lb peak at 10,000rpm.

scalbert

I wouldn't disagree. Any shorter and 1st would be worthless especially. My point was about the statement about being geared pretty good as it appeared the poster was suggesting short gears.

Manual Transmission

^ +1. Amen.... scalbert.

Manual Transmission

I would be careful you say that.......



Taller gears provide? what? Tall gears provide power? ROFLMAO.




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