ignition_key

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OK so what tires would give the most traction? I know for fact that stock OEM tires suck,m but the CONTI DWS are extreme performance tires, so not sure what could be better for traction out there.

ZOMGVTEK

This wouldn't be a bad start.

http://www.tirerack.com/tires/TireSe...ting=S&tab=All

paperboy42190

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isn't the gearing ratios on 04-06 auto and 07-08 auto different?

rockstar143

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I have heard that yes...

justnspace

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LOL AT CONTI DWS BEING AN EXTREME PERFORMANCE TIRE!

Undying Dreams

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Woah, those Hankook R-S3's look nice.

$146 each too

rockstar143

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Hey, so far, I've been happier than I've ever been since I've been on low profile tires (10 years now) with my Continental DW's (NOT DWS). But, today my Direzza's arrive...which Justin swears by so my comparison will come next.

Either way, if I wanna...I can spin some serious tire with VSA off in my 6MT with my nearly gone tires and especially in the rain.

AnthraciteAspec

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The grip is addicting to say the least, you have been warned.

lol but seriously these tires are rediculous. When I was at Willow I turned faster lap times than 2 of the S2ks there and I would bet it is mostly due to the RS-3s.

Downside is tire wear. They won't last you very long, especially if you drive like I do. I am still on my original set though even after a full track day, an autocross session and 6 months of driving.

rockstar143

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^^^that's incredible.

MEKO

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This was my latest

fsttyms1

DW's are Max performance, not Extreme performance.

As for what would be better for traction, it all depends on what you want out of the tire? Do you really care how long it lasts?

DW's are a GREAT tire for their category. They have a great treadware rating, are quiet, handle wet roads great and get great dry traction (cornering).

If you want even better tires but dont care about treadwear look into an Extreme performance tire.

One of the stickiest tires i have driven is the Hankook Ventus RS3. Grip is amazing. The Dunlop Direzza ZII is a very sticky tire too, but i prefer the RS3 over it. Its more predictable at the limits.

The new BFGoodrichg-Force Rival is supposed to be an extremely good tire.

https://acurazine.com/forums/2g-cl-tires-wheels-suspension-54/new-extreme-performance-bf-goodrich-rival-879171/


Im trying to figure out what tire i want to run this summer. Its a toss up between going back to the RS3 or try the new BFG. Ill be hopefully running the 275/35/18 in hopes to be able to get traction with the new motor as with 255s h have a hard time hooking up with the motor i have now in the TL. (I just need to find 2 more 2" lip barrels for my RH C2's)

I hate cars

The Nitto NT05 is the best all around tire I've found for the street. I've tried most of the other extreme performance tires and the Nitto is the only one that combines reasonable noise, predictable break away at the limit, won't chunk apart or melt with track use, has razor sharp turn-in but without a huge hit in ride comfort, and has insane traction in both stopping and cornering.

It's not often you find a tire with limits this high that has a very easily controlled break away when you exceed it's limits.

NvrDwn

Have you tried the Pilot Super Sport tires??

fsttyms1

I find the RS3 to be the same.

fsttyms1

They are a great tire, but no where near the grip of the nt05 or RS3. You would have to go to the Pilot Sport Cup tire to get that level of traction.

I hate cars

I've been wanting to try that one out, I admittedly haven't run that tire yet. If there is a downside to the NT05 other than tread wear its that it needs a little heat to be at its best. I doubt any tire in this category will work best when cold but I'm always looking for something that will. I always knew traction was better when warm but it was actually measured when doing my 60-0 braking tests, the distances steadily got shorter as the tires picked up heat.

fsttyms1

Any tire that is performance orientated like these will never work really well when cold. They all need temps outside to be warmer or to get heat into the tires. Playing with/adjusting the PSI while colder can help some.

justnspace

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holy crap!! i remember my NT05s were cold and I did a 80 -0 stop.

scared the living hell out of me
from then on, I make sure my tires are heated before hooning

Thunderrr

I am reposting my 0-60 (AT) video because the link in the post is messed up for some reason. I think I did 6.2seconds.. Not bad for an automatic :p

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NvrDwn

Maybe I don't understand tireracks rating system but, they rated the pilot sport cup worse than the pilot super sport, by a good margin.

fsttyms1

You cant use their rating system on it, and You cant compare a near track tire to a street tire using their star rating system. Grip wise its one of the grippiest tires out there. Its really not meant for the street, but was dot approved because of the little bit of grooves in it. You really shouldnt drive it in the rain. Its the tire that comes standard for the ZR1

swoosh

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This thread has been entertaining and informative...

I think the DW and DWS are decent tires for the price that grip well and wear well as well....but none of the 2 are "performance" oriented tires....

Direzza's, NT05, RS3's are some performance tires....

about 0-60, 6 seconds is not bad at all...weight, grip and TQ will help you get that time lower

splew

Compared to OE style tires and the crap all-seasons that 90% of people have on their cars, I think the Extreme Contact DWs could definitely be considered performance tires.

Granted I realize that they are on the lower end of the performance tire class (below max performance summer and DOT legal track tires), but they're still a major step above standard all season/touring tires.

swoosh

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^^^ True...

fsttyms1

I would have to disagree with you to a point. Yes there are better/stickier tires out there but by no means are the DWs not performance orientated. I have had great success with them on lapping days. To the point where i was less than 1/2 a sec slower lap with them over the NT05. Yes 1/2 a sec is sizable but its much less (and i emphasize the word much) than some of the other (ultra high and max performance) tires i have run on the same track. Personally next to the now no longer available Hankook ventus RS2, (which i REALLY wish was still available) its the best (conti DW's) all around performance tire i have driven (due to wet/dry grip, noise, cost and mileage which i have gotten over 35k out of them)

If i had 2 sets of rims i would get a set of Pilot Sport Cups for everyday driving when i knew there wasnt going to be any rain, and temps were above 60 deg as that tire has about as much grip as the R compounds i occasionally track with

Just my

fsttyms1

swoosh

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^^^ think we will have to agree to disagree there

I dont consider DW/DWS as STICKY or performance oriented tires (maybe because I havent had first hand experience with those)....

If I were tracking or autocrossing, I would def go with Direzza's, NT05 or RS3's....for everyday driving yes DW/DWS as they do well on the streets....

fsttyms1

Kind if hard to disagree that its not a performance orientated tire if you havent had any first hand experience with it dont you think?

Also what is your definition of performance? We can both agree that it isnt in the same league as nor should it be compared to the RS3, NT05 or Dirrezza, when looking for the ultimate grip, but to say its not performance Also i have never tried to say you should be picking it for a track day over one of the "Extreme" performance tires. But having owned and driven and tracked all of the tires listed here (with the exception of the new BFG) in this thread i can tell you that it will hold its own against most other "max" and some of the Extreme tires out there.

swoosh

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I didnt word my response correctly....sorry about that....

when I read your post slowly, essentially we are saying the same thing....

"We can both agree that it isnt in the same league as nor should it be compared to the RS3, NT05 or Dirrezza, when looking for the ultimate grip, "

is exactly what I was trying to say....I would not compare the DW/DWS to any of the 3 tires listed about as they are in different leagues....for street use, I would rather take the DW/DWS for the grip and longevity of the tires and not to mention they are light as fawk (21lbs compared to 25-26 lbs of the 3 mentioned tires)....

fsttyms1

I was hoping you didnt take my post the wrong way as being confrontational.

swoosh

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ohh not at all

I totally understand where you are coming from....I need to make sure am communicating what I intend to

justnspace

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you're doing a great job!
we've all come a long way in understanding and communicating with each other!

swoosh

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Thanks Justin...means a lot

I am eager to read more about the Dirrezza and DW from Jeremy....pretty soon i will need new tires

fsttyms1

Dont you have some crabs to go take care of?

deepbluejh

Interesting discussion here on tires.

I have an S2000 with a set of Michelin Pilot Super Sports and they are indeed crazy good. I have to drive downright irresponsibly (illegally) on public road to even approach their limits.

That said, the idea of doing a high rpm clutch drop on a FWD luxury car is pretty hilarious. If you find yourself "needing" or even wanting extreme performance summer tires, then I can confidently say you would be better served with a different car. The TL just has too many compromises built in for the sake of luxury for these kinds of tires to make any sense. Sure you could do it... but why?

I'd say for an aggressive street driver who never sees snow, the PSS would be an excellent choice for this car. They offer a TON of grip, yet still ride smoothly, handle water well, and offer very reasonable tread wear. They let you enjoy the power of your TL without defeating the purpose of owning a TL.

The RS-3s do provide more grip, but they hard in the cold and a downright scary in the rain. They also ride poorly and wear quickly. However, if that sounds like your kind of game, then go for it.