Gas Prices
#161
Originally Posted by clsdave
I just saw this on News12:
http://www.news12.com/NJ/topstories/article?id=154916
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Middlesex County keeping an eye on gas stations to avoid price gouging
(09/01/05) OLD BRIDGE - Drivers are breathing easier once they realized the Middlesex County government is taking steps to avoid price gouging.
Inspectors from the Middlesex County Department of Weights and Measures were out in Old Bridge Thursday making sure owners do not raise the price of gas more then law allows them. Owners are allowed to raise prices only once in a 24 hour period. If they are caught violating the law, they put themselves at risk of fines of $100 per octane, per pump.
Wildstein says many owners are hostile that they can’t raise prices when they want, but others know it’s more profitable then paying the fines.
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http://www.news12.com/NJ/topstories/article?id=154916
Incase the link does't work or you need a login here it is:
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Middlesex County keeping an eye on gas stations to avoid price gouging
(09/01/05) OLD BRIDGE - Drivers are breathing easier once they realized the Middlesex County government is taking steps to avoid price gouging.
Inspectors from the Middlesex County Department of Weights and Measures were out in Old Bridge Thursday making sure owners do not raise the price of gas more then law allows them. Owners are allowed to raise prices only once in a 24 hour period. If they are caught violating the law, they put themselves at risk of fines of $100 per octane, per pump.
Wildstein says many owners are hostile that they can’t raise prices when they want, but others know it’s more profitable then paying the fines.
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Thanks, Yeah I just saw it on tv about the 24 hour limit in NJ and they gave out a phone number. But they didn't list one for PA. I'll have to find it.
#162
Gas prices and availability is freakin crazy !!!
While Orlando might not have the highest gas prices around (filled up today for $3.09) good luck trying to find it !!!!!!!!!!!
Over 75% of our gas stations in the orlando metro area are SOLD OUT !!! due to hurricane Katrina and other factors....
Finally found gas after visiting 7 gas stations. I had to wait about 30 minutes and was only able to get 87 octane !!!!!
And they say it may only get worse
Over 75% of our gas stations in the orlando metro area are SOLD OUT !!! due to hurricane Katrina and other factors....
Finally found gas after visiting 7 gas stations. I had to wait about 30 minutes and was only able to get 87 octane !!!!!
And they say it may only get worse
#165
They say they have to let the gas price be whatever it should be so the supply does not run out, which means it could continue to rise. I say ration it at 2.50 a gallon and then if you need more charge 5 bucks for each extra gallon. The extra money going into a relief fund. There is no simple way out of this mess...
gas in mass is 3.30 to 3.50 for premium but that was yesterday. I expect another 10 cents today..
gas in mass is 3.30 to 3.50 for premium but that was yesterday. I expect another 10 cents today..
#170
more that $3.50 here in NY
It's more than $3.50 here on long island and i have seen parts of the island that it's almost $4.00....
However... I just picked my car up from the dealership (had an oil change and fixed a burned out bulb in the heated seat button) and the SERVICE MANAGER said that we can put 87 octane in the car. "it will NOT harm the engine, but we may experience lower MPG...."
my car is leased... and i'm just about halfway thru... maybe i'll risk it and take a chance on the 87 octane if the gas prices dont start getting better soon!
However... I just picked my car up from the dealership (had an oil change and fixed a burned out bulb in the heated seat button) and the SERVICE MANAGER said that we can put 87 octane in the car. "it will NOT harm the engine, but we may experience lower MPG...."
my car is leased... and i'm just about halfway thru... maybe i'll risk it and take a chance on the 87 octane if the gas prices dont start getting better soon!
#171
Originally Posted by WdnUlik2no
Yep I don't doubt that one bit about the soccer mom's.
I saw even worse than that last night, one station was charging 2.899 for regular and the one right across the street was charging 3.999 for regular, do you think the 3.999 station was empty? Hell no. A line was there just like the station across the street. Its one thing to get ripped off, its another to choose to get ripped off. I just don't get it.
I refused to pay that much, I finally got "lucky" and ended up filling my TL at Kroger for 3.199/gallon for premium. whoopie!
I saw even worse than that last night, one station was charging 2.899 for regular and the one right across the street was charging 3.999 for regular, do you think the 3.999 station was empty? Hell no. A line was there just like the station across the street. Its one thing to get ripped off, its another to choose to get ripped off. I just don't get it.
I refused to pay that much, I finally got "lucky" and ended up filling my TL at Kroger for 3.199/gallon for premium. whoopie!
#173
Originally Posted by bf17738
It's more than $3.50 here on long island and i have seen parts of the island that it's almost $4.00....
However... I just picked my car up from the dealership (had an oil change and fixed a burned out bulb in the heated seat button) and the SERVICE MANAGER said that we can put 87 octane in the car. "it will NOT harm the engine, but we may experience lower MPG...."
my car is leased... and i'm just about halfway thru... maybe i'll risk it and take a chance on the 87 octane if the gas prices dont start getting better soon!
However... I just picked my car up from the dealership (had an oil change and fixed a burned out bulb in the heated seat button) and the SERVICE MANAGER said that we can put 87 octane in the car. "it will NOT harm the engine, but we may experience lower MPG...."
my car is leased... and i'm just about halfway thru... maybe i'll risk it and take a chance on the 87 octane if the gas prices dont start getting better soon!
Wednesday night I found $4.05 for Super while passing through Freeport. Across the street it was $3.79 with about 50 cars waiting on Merrick Rd to get in.
If you are going to go lower on the octane, I wouldn't go lower than 89. I think the MPG will be close to the same, but the engine won't put out as much power. If your MPG goes down a little, it might not be cost effective anyway, having to fill up more often, and generally spending the same amount of $$ over time.
I really hope gas goes up to $10/gallon. Maybe we will finally open our fucking eyes to what is, and has been going on for years.
#174
The biggest problem I saw was not people topping off tanks it was people buying gas cans and filling them up so they would have it in the case of a gas shortage. This just makes it worse... I have a 2.5 gallon tank for my lawn mower/snow thrower and I was watching someone fill 3, 2.5 gallon gas tanks and putting them in their trunk.
That is causing more shortages and is dangerous if they got hit and that gas ignited. Back in the 70s people did that they were traveling around with 2 gallons in their trunks... That's like having a couple of sticks of dynamite in the trunk...
That is causing more shortages and is dangerous if they got hit and that gas ignited. Back in the 70s people did that they were traveling around with 2 gallons in their trunks... That's like having a couple of sticks of dynamite in the trunk...
#176
try buying gas in Canada
Don't fret too much about your gas prices just yet....
Try filling up in Canada where we are now paying upwards of
$1.35 cents a litre for Super Unleaded...
Your conversion to US gallons is 1 gallon US = 3.79 litres.
You do the math on that one guys..
It ain't pretty up here..... however your dollar US is worth about
1.20 Cdn. or thereabouts.
It's till mighty expensive filling up here in the Toronto area... (Oakville is about
40 kms. outside of the Toronto Downtown area.)
TL42
Gord
Try filling up in Canada where we are now paying upwards of
$1.35 cents a litre for Super Unleaded...
Your conversion to US gallons is 1 gallon US = 3.79 litres.
You do the math on that one guys..
It ain't pretty up here..... however your dollar US is worth about
1.20 Cdn. or thereabouts.
It's till mighty expensive filling up here in the Toronto area... (Oakville is about
40 kms. outside of the Toronto Downtown area.)
TL42
Gord
#178
Originally Posted by TheMainEvEnt
The gas were purchased months ago, so basically the gas stations are making a killing out of this.
collecting on these hyper inflated prices....
Can we all feel the "GOUGE"
TL42
#179
Originally Posted by TL42
Not to mention the profit in tax revenues the various levels of government are
collecting on these hyper inflated prices....
Can we all feel the "GOUGE"
TL42
collecting on these hyper inflated prices....
Can we all feel the "GOUGE"
TL42
Lance
#180
Originally Posted by TL42
Don't fret too much about your gas prices just yet....
Try filling up in Canada where we are now paying upwards of
$1.35 cents a litre for Super Unleaded...
Your conversion to US gallons is 1 gallon US = 3.79 litres.
You do the math on that one guys..
It ain't pretty up here..... however your dollar US is worth about
1.20 Cdn. or thereabouts.
It's till mighty expensive filling up here in the Toronto area... (Oakville is about
40 kms. outside of the Toronto Downtown area.)
TL42
Gord
Try filling up in Canada where we are now paying upwards of
$1.35 cents a litre for Super Unleaded...
Your conversion to US gallons is 1 gallon US = 3.79 litres.
You do the math on that one guys..
It ain't pretty up here..... however your dollar US is worth about
1.20 Cdn. or thereabouts.
It's till mighty expensive filling up here in the Toronto area... (Oakville is about
40 kms. outside of the Toronto Downtown area.)
TL42
Gord
Oh, and don't forget we have to pay our own health insurance and our houses are more expensive!
#181
good news for georgia drivers...sort of
Our governer just said that he will waive the state tax on fuel purchases through the end of Septemer. THis should lower our prices by about 15 cents, not much, but every little bit helps.
#183
Originally Posted by WdnUlik2no
Our governer just said that he will waive the state tax on fuel purchases through the end of Septemer. THis should lower our prices by about 15 cents, not much, but every little bit helps.
$48 to fill my TL last night at 3.099 for 93.
#184
Today's price : 124.9c/litre=3.94/gallon.
(conversion factor : 3.785L/Gal , 1.2:1 Exchange)
I started driving like grandma today keeping rev below 2500RPM in town.
I kept rev below 2000RPM in stop and go traffic and I still get 20MPG at best. What a sucky idling gas wasting job.
Tips to TL owners : AVOID Traffic at all cost! even you have to drive extra 5 miles probably eats less gas than sitting in traffic for 10 minutes.
(conversion factor : 3.785L/Gal , 1.2:1 Exchange)
I started driving like grandma today keeping rev below 2500RPM in town.
I kept rev below 2000RPM in stop and go traffic and I still get 20MPG at best. What a sucky idling gas wasting job.
Tips to TL owners : AVOID Traffic at all cost! even you have to drive extra 5 miles probably eats less gas than sitting in traffic for 10 minutes.
#187
Originally Posted by Actuary
I just had to go quick trip to work and couldn't keep my foot off the gas! Dang it!
I nearly floored after turning right at a corner and mileage instantly went bad.
I nearly floored after turning right at a corner and mileage instantly went bad.
#188
A year from now oil will be selling for $35-$40/barrel, and prices will drop. No one will be fretting that "Big Oil", which is actually owned by stockholders like you and me, will not be making the profits they are today.
All the conspiracy, robber barron stuff strikes me as generally naive - all commodities are subject to supply driving price: lobsters, gold, oil, beer (hey - beer is less costly than water - we have benefitted from that price war). When the commodity was bought, and at what price, has nothing to do with any mfr's right to charge what it can get, assuming there is not collusion violating existing law. Our system works - we have seen time and time again that it does. And we have seen time and time again that when Congress intercedes, it makes matters worse. Price controls do not work.
Let the free market do what it does best, and keep Big Govt out of it. The best thing IMO that govt can do is reduce or eliminate the red tape that restricts the production of sensible business cases encouraging domestic oil discovery, extract, transport, and refining. Open ANWAR and offshore drilling. Start building nuclear plants - the French have old style plants that produce, what - 90% of their electricity?
I will have T-shirts printed that say "If the French can do it, why not us?"
All the conspiracy, robber barron stuff strikes me as generally naive - all commodities are subject to supply driving price: lobsters, gold, oil, beer (hey - beer is less costly than water - we have benefitted from that price war). When the commodity was bought, and at what price, has nothing to do with any mfr's right to charge what it can get, assuming there is not collusion violating existing law. Our system works - we have seen time and time again that it does. And we have seen time and time again that when Congress intercedes, it makes matters worse. Price controls do not work.
Let the free market do what it does best, and keep Big Govt out of it. The best thing IMO that govt can do is reduce or eliminate the red tape that restricts the production of sensible business cases encouraging domestic oil discovery, extract, transport, and refining. Open ANWAR and offshore drilling. Start building nuclear plants - the French have old style plants that produce, what - 90% of their electricity?
I will have T-shirts printed that say "If the French can do it, why not us?"
#189
Gas prices in the Upstate of SC for regular range from $3.09 to $3.30 - I payed $3.69 for Premium yesterday - now only regular is available at most gas stations. Crazy....prices will go back down in a few weeks, as soon as things start to get back to normal.
Pray for those on the Gulf Coast....
Pray for those on the Gulf Coast....
#191
Well in Atlanta, there is a State of Emergency put in place Thursday that allows residents to report gas stations that are believed to be price gouging. And the fines are pretty stiff - $5000 and up for each infraction.
#192
You really think that oil will go down signifcantly? You really think that in 6 months or a year or whatever all the oil companies are going to saw well we fixed all our refineries built a few new ones. All that is paid for. So why don't we lower the gas / oil prices by a buck a gallon?
It not just Katrina that is driving up the prices. We import 60% of what we use. Katrina was just an excuse for the oil companies to move the price up sooner rather then later.
Easy for those of us that can afford a TL to say let the free market set the price. If it gets to $5 a gallon maybe some us will have to sell our TLs and get something better on gas but, chances are we will not be walking or freezing this winter. At some point oil might go up enough to affect even the upper middle class and rich. Maybe not.
[sarcasm on]
So you are poor and can't heat your house? Buy some blankets. Spring is coming in 3 or 4 months. Can't afford to drive to work? Quit and find a job locally.
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This isn't cable TV or high speed internet. Most people need to drive to work and heat their houses. Infrastruct and highways and things like that ARE the busy of the federal government. Ok oil isn't infrustructure exactly but, without it much of the instructure is useless.
Keep big govt out of it eh? Why do you think we are in Iraq anyway? WMD? He threatened Bush's daddy? Democarcy, human rights?
Where did president Bush make all his money? We need someone in government to step up and figure out how to lessen our need for Oil. Alternative fuels. The market at some point might get around to it but, might need to be pushed in the right direction.
Let the free market do what it does best, and keep Big Govt out of it. The best thing IMO that govt can do is reduce or eliminate the red tape that restricts the production of sensible business cases encouraging domestic oil discovery, extract, transport, and refining. Open ANWAR and offshore drilling. "
It not just Katrina that is driving up the prices. We import 60% of what we use. Katrina was just an excuse for the oil companies to move the price up sooner rather then later.
Easy for those of us that can afford a TL to say let the free market set the price. If it gets to $5 a gallon maybe some us will have to sell our TLs and get something better on gas but, chances are we will not be walking or freezing this winter. At some point oil might go up enough to affect even the upper middle class and rich. Maybe not.
[sarcasm on]
So you are poor and can't heat your house? Buy some blankets. Spring is coming in 3 or 4 months. Can't afford to drive to work? Quit and find a job locally.
[/sarcasm off]
This isn't cable TV or high speed internet. Most people need to drive to work and heat their houses. Infrastruct and highways and things like that ARE the busy of the federal government. Ok oil isn't infrustructure exactly but, without it much of the instructure is useless.
Keep big govt out of it eh? Why do you think we are in Iraq anyway? WMD? He threatened Bush's daddy? Democarcy, human rights?
Where did president Bush make all his money? We need someone in government to step up and figure out how to lessen our need for Oil. Alternative fuels. The market at some point might get around to it but, might need to be pushed in the right direction.
Originally Posted by Road Rage
Let the free market do what it does best, and keep Big Govt out of it. The best thing IMO that govt can do is reduce or eliminate the red tape that restricts the production of sensible business cases encouraging domestic oil discovery, extract, transport, and refining. Open ANWAR and offshore drilling. "
#193
In the past week I drove by the same set of gas stations every day. On Tuesday the price for super was $2.89, Wednesday $3.19, Thursday $3.29 and Friday $3.49. This was in CT, but I live in NY. Around me I saw the highest price yet, $3.99. My wife has a Pathfinder, due to really crappy MPG with the Pathfinder we use the TL all the time. It is what it is, just sucks, but it really isn't that big of a deal, we still drive an awesome vehicle.
#194
Originally Posted by TL42
Don't fret too much about your gas prices just yet....
Try filling up in Canada where we are now paying upwards of
$1.35 cents a litre for Super Unleaded...
Your conversion to US gallons is 1 gallon US = 3.79 litres.
You do the math on that one guys..
It ain't pretty up here..... however your dollar US is worth about
1.20 Cdn. or thereabouts.
It's till mighty expensive filling up here in the Toronto area... (Oakville is about
40 kms. outside of the Toronto Downtown area.)
TL42
Gord
Try filling up in Canada where we are now paying upwards of
$1.35 cents a litre for Super Unleaded...
Your conversion to US gallons is 1 gallon US = 3.79 litres.
You do the math on that one guys..
It ain't pretty up here..... however your dollar US is worth about
1.20 Cdn. or thereabouts.
It's till mighty expensive filling up here in the Toronto area... (Oakville is about
40 kms. outside of the Toronto Downtown area.)
TL42
Gord
Calcs: 20gallon's x 3.8 = 76litre's x 1.61$ = $122CDN full tank
oh wow...
#195
Originally Posted by TheMainEvEnt
The gas were purchased months ago, so basically the gas stations are making a killing out of this.
The speculators are running around like mad dogs, that's all it is.
Most futures price trading doesnt physically hit the market for four months.
#196
Originally Posted by jcondon
You really think that oil will go down signifcantly? You really think that in 6 months or a year or whatever all the oil companies are going to saw well we fixed all our refineries built a few new ones. All that is paid for. So why don't we lower the gas / oil prices by a buck a gallon?
It not just Katrina that is driving up the prices. We import 60% of what we use. Katrina was just an excuse for the oil companies to move the price up sooner rather then later.
Easy for those of us that can afford a TL to say let the free market set the price. If it gets to $5 a gallon maybe some us will have to sell our TLs and get something better on gas but, chances are we will not be walking or freezing this winter. At some point oil might go up enough to affect even the upper middle class and rich. Maybe not.
[sarcasm on]
So you are poor and can't heat your house? Buy some blankets. Spring is coming in 3 or 4 months. Can't afford to drive to work? Quit and find a job locally.
[/sarcasm off]
This isn't cable TV or high speed internet. Most people need to drive to work and heat their houses. Infrastruct and highways and things like that ARE the busy of the federal government. Ok oil isn't infrustructure exactly but, without it much of the instructure is useless.
Keep big govt out of it eh? Why do you think we are in Iraq anyway? WMD? He threatened Bush's daddy? Democarcy, human rights?
Where did president Bush make all his money? We need someone in government to step up and figure out how to lessen our need for Oil. Alternative fuels. The market at some point might get around to it but, might need to be pushed in the right direction.
It not just Katrina that is driving up the prices. We import 60% of what we use. Katrina was just an excuse for the oil companies to move the price up sooner rather then later.
Easy for those of us that can afford a TL to say let the free market set the price. If it gets to $5 a gallon maybe some us will have to sell our TLs and get something better on gas but, chances are we will not be walking or freezing this winter. At some point oil might go up enough to affect even the upper middle class and rich. Maybe not.
[sarcasm on]
So you are poor and can't heat your house? Buy some blankets. Spring is coming in 3 or 4 months. Can't afford to drive to work? Quit and find a job locally.
[/sarcasm off]
This isn't cable TV or high speed internet. Most people need to drive to work and heat their houses. Infrastruct and highways and things like that ARE the busy of the federal government. Ok oil isn't infrustructure exactly but, without it much of the instructure is useless.
Keep big govt out of it eh? Why do you think we are in Iraq anyway? WMD? He threatened Bush's daddy? Democarcy, human rights?
Where did president Bush make all his money? We need someone in government to step up and figure out how to lessen our need for Oil. Alternative fuels. The market at some point might get around to it but, might need to be pushed in the right direction.
Mark my words since you're so scared. Long term, oil prices a barrel will end up around $40.
Save this and look back at it.
#197
Originally Posted by static808
My wife's '04 TL has been running on regular unleaded for the last 2000miles. I know its something that shouldn't be done with the 3.2L V6. Definitely down the road there could be lost performance from the "dirty" gasoline but the car is getting the same MPG as running premium. Heavy City = 22MPG while our roadtrip from Central NJ to Harrisburg, PA the TL averaged 29MPG with the average speed of 55MPH. Not to shabby on good old regular unleaded.