A Future Classic? Better keep your "Build Sheet"
05-07-2004, 07:03 AM
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This is the most ridiculous thread Ever..... Its Called MASS PRODUCTION. Cars are rolling off the assembly line almost every few minutes.
Its not like a Maybach that takes 11 days to Build from hand.
Cars of today will not have a value like a 1970's vehicle. or 1950's vehicle because these were not so mass produced as cars today.
Its not like a Maybach that takes 11 days to Build from hand.
Cars of today will not have a value like a 1970's vehicle. or 1950's vehicle because these were not so mass produced as cars today.
05-07-2004, 07:38 AM
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Also the part about the donuts with the fainting chicks, who were hopefully attractive, and you hopefully took advantage of, is exactly what the TL doesnt have that the classics did have. Who the hell takes their 35k Acura TL out and does donuts with some girls in the passengers seat? I know i dont, i do other things with girls in the passenger seat... 
05-12-2004, 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by NJ_CLS_driver
This is the most ridiculous thread Ever..... Its Called MASS PRODUCTION. Cars are rolling off the assembly line almost every few minutes.
Its not like a Maybach that takes 11 days to Build from hand.
Cars of today will not have a value like a 1970's vehicle. or 1950's vehicle because these were not so mass produced as cars today.
Its not like a Maybach that takes 11 days to Build from hand.
Cars of today will not have a value like a 1970's vehicle. or 1950's vehicle because these were not so mass produced as cars today.
Are you aware that there were more than 10 times as many Mustangs built in the 60's as TL's are being built today- yet try to find a good Mustang today from the 60s.
Many "ordinary" post-war Fords, Mercurys, Chevys, etc. are very sought after collectables and/or classics today. No one knew that they would become so at the time. They were mass produced far more than the TL's of today.
I guess I'm not understanding your point.
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06-12-2004, 12:21 AM
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Originally Posted by 2004MT6TL
There is no way in hell that the TL is going to become a classic car. Not gonna happen. The TL is mass-produced vechicle which is disposible (ilterally). Cars of today (with the exclusion of high-end cars ie; Porsche, Ferrari, Lambo, some high-end Mercedes & some high-end BMW's, etc.) are ment to have a life span and then be recycled into a new vechile in 15-20 years. Now, classics of the past will live on, they were not ment to be disposable.
Will a TL ever become a classic, no, but it is possible cars like the newer Thunderbird and '05 Mustang could, the SSR and a few others as well.
10-30-2004, 02:00 AM
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Holy cow, if you guys would put this much time and thought into something useful you might actually accomplishg something productive. Glad you like your TL, but it will be as much of a "classic" as a Camry in 30 years. Put down the pipe sometime. I thought we had some dreamers @ CL.com....... 
10-30-2004, 09:40 AM
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Well, I have restored a number of collector cars, including Corvettes as rare as several hundred production.
You are right that the more documentation on a classic, the better - but the question is will a mass-produced Asian marque become a classic?
IMO, this car can never possibly be a classic. Where is the historical basis for any Japanese sedan? If 20 years is the interval for a classic car, where are the 1984 Nissan Maxima's shows? Are any Maxima's rising in value? These cars have no racing lineage, little kids do not lust after them in their youth, and pay big bucks for them when they in the money. How about the Datsun Honeybee?
The NSX will likely trend up if the miles are low, since less than a thousand are sold per year, and it is handmade.
Even the S2000 has a chance, given its racing technology and heritage, and the timeless quality of its exterior. The VIN will tell whether a 2004 was made at the Tochigi plant where the NSX is made, by the same craftmen (mine was), or in the new "multi-car" plant? Plus, it has less than 1/6 of the TL production numbers per year.
Some i restored:
1961 Corvette Fuelie - 815 made. Under 4$k new, sold it for $25k after frame on resto in 1985
1972 Corvette BB w/air: 454 with air cond - several thousand made - $4500 invested, sold for $12k in 1982
You are right that the more documentation on a classic, the better - but the question is will a mass-produced Asian marque become a classic?
IMO, this car can never possibly be a classic. Where is the historical basis for any Japanese sedan? If 20 years is the interval for a classic car, where are the 1984 Nissan Maxima's shows? Are any Maxima's rising in value? These cars have no racing lineage, little kids do not lust after them in their youth, and pay big bucks for them when they in the money. How about the Datsun Honeybee?
The NSX will likely trend up if the miles are low, since less than a thousand are sold per year, and it is handmade.
Even the S2000 has a chance, given its racing technology and heritage, and the timeless quality of its exterior. The VIN will tell whether a 2004 was made at the Tochigi plant where the NSX is made, by the same craftmen (mine was), or in the new "multi-car" plant? Plus, it has less than 1/6 of the TL production numbers per year.
Some i restored:
1961 Corvette Fuelie - 815 made. Under 4$k new, sold it for $25k after frame on resto in 1985
1972 Corvette BB w/air: 454 with air cond - several thousand made - $4500 invested, sold for $12k in 1982
10-30-2004, 12:14 PM
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oh..okay....just read it.....I think the TL could possibly do it....it's kinda hard to get your hands on it...don't see too much of them around...and it's very popular and it turns heads...i know it's not a sports car....but maybe it can be like the toyota supra...or even cooler......you never know.....
10-31-2004, 05:26 PM
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OK. I guess its time for me to chime in with my 2 cents.
Lets put some of the 3G TL in perspective in 40 years:
DVD-A: 8 Track tape. Need I say more?
XM Radio: After Al Quaeda takes over, you'll be able to get called to daily prayers no matter where you are in North America.
GPS Nav: $25 Billion Satellite constellation disabled after US discovers rogue nations using $100 Magellan nav systems to target their missiles.
Leather seats: With ass prints in the leather after a few months use, the seat will be so broken in that no one else will be able to sit in it after 40 years.
270hp V6 engine: US nukes Arabian penisula rendering Arab oil reserves toxic. US reserves drained in 20 years. Price of gas rises to $300 an ounce. Fossil fuels no longer politically correct.
Aside from immediately collectible exotics, mass produced cars are only collectible when equipped with rare options. (ie. Olds 442, Shelby GTs... V6 versions of these cars are looked over). Unfortunately TLs come fully loaded. The ASpec might be collectible except it is only cosmetic and most Aspec owners will eventually install aftermarket intakes etc. that would ruin the collectability of the car. Probably the closest to being collectible will be an ASpec with Comptech supercharger.
Lets put some of the 3G TL in perspective in 40 years:
DVD-A: 8 Track tape. Need I say more?
XM Radio: After Al Quaeda takes over, you'll be able to get called to daily prayers no matter where you are in North America.
GPS Nav: $25 Billion Satellite constellation disabled after US discovers rogue nations using $100 Magellan nav systems to target their missiles.
Leather seats: With ass prints in the leather after a few months use, the seat will be so broken in that no one else will be able to sit in it after 40 years.
270hp V6 engine: US nukes Arabian penisula rendering Arab oil reserves toxic. US reserves drained in 20 years. Price of gas rises to $300 an ounce. Fossil fuels no longer politically correct.
Aside from immediately collectible exotics, mass produced cars are only collectible when equipped with rare options. (ie. Olds 442, Shelby GTs... V6 versions of these cars are looked over). Unfortunately TLs come fully loaded. The ASpec might be collectible except it is only cosmetic and most Aspec owners will eventually install aftermarket intakes etc. that would ruin the collectability of the car. Probably the closest to being collectible will be an ASpec with Comptech supercharger.
10-31-2004, 10:35 PM
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I didn't read all three pages but I looked and I still have my dealer invoice. I don't really care about it being worth money in the future but in 15 years its just cool to read the invoice and compare it to whats out then, etc.
I don't really care about it being worth money in the future but in 15 years its just cool to read the invoice and compare it to whats out then, etc.
04-27-2013, 07:52 PM
#59
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Dude, in the age of the Internet a vast majority of cars have a passionate following by enthusiast owners. Look around.
No one will give a crap about the TL in ten years. Technology will assure that. BlueTooth, DVD Audio, those will be things of the past or so common that Civics and Hyundais will have them. The rest of the car has nothing very special about it. 270hp is already close to average for entry-level luxury sports sedans, FWD is considered by many "enthusiasts" to be a negative, and it's really just a great daily driver type car. Nothing about it will be "classic". It only took five model years for the last generation TL to run its course and sales to fall off sharply.
I don't see this one being much different, especially since the previous generation TL stayed at MSRP for two or three years and on wait lists, where as this TL was being discounted within three months of its release.
Besides, unless you plan on trailering it home from the dealership, draining all the fluids, and letting it sit in mothballs, yours certainly won't be worth very much.
No one will give a crap about the TL in ten years. Technology will assure that. BlueTooth, DVD Audio, those will be things of the past or so common that Civics and Hyundais will have them. The rest of the car has nothing very special about it. 270hp is already close to average for entry-level luxury sports sedans, FWD is considered by many "enthusiasts" to be a negative, and it's really just a great daily driver type car. Nothing about it will be "classic". It only took five model years for the last generation TL to run its course and sales to fall off sharply.
I don't see this one being much different, especially since the previous generation TL stayed at MSRP for two or three years and on wait lists, where as this TL was being discounted within three months of its release.
Besides, unless you plan on trailering it home from the dealership, draining all the fluids, and letting it sit in mothballs, yours certainly won't be worth very much.
04-27-2013, 08:05 PM
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For some reason I cant see the 3g TL fetching high numbers at Barret-Jackson. Nothing exotic abt this car. Its just another front engine, FWD sedan that anyone with good credit can afford. It holds its road presence well particularly because the 4g tl was a huge cosmetic flop. Drive layout and engine displacement apart, I class the TL with the e39 m5. You'll notice one when you see it but its not something you dream about once you go home. The NSX on the other hand is a true Honda classic.
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04-27-2013, 08:26 PM
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'07 TL Type-S
lol This topic was entertaining to read through.... Mainly because of the back and forth on the first page.
But anyway, I don't see this car being a collectible either. But it's definitely a car that will be an awesome find if you can find one that was well cared for in 10 years. Mainly because of it's reliability and it's a car that has and will continue to age well.
But anyway, I don't see this car being a collectible either. But it's definitely a car that will be an awesome find if you can find one that was well cared for in 10 years. Mainly because of it's reliability and it's a car that has and will continue to age well.
04-27-2013, 09:11 PM
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Race Director
Only 35 years to go and then we'll know
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04-28-2013, 05:30 PM
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Team Owner
I think I'll always do a double take when I see one going down the road. The exterior design IMO is one of those timeless designs that's still going to look good in another 10 years. It's not going to look tacky like a lot of the cars we thought looked good in the 80s and 90s did. It's a great daily driver but it wasn't anything special even when new. Power was above average but it's far from fast. The engine flows a lot of air and it takes little boost to make it fast. It has a great suspension design and I could see more of these cars being road track cars (if FWD is your thing) in the future as the prices continue going down. I still have the problem of thinking of mine as a new car still since I bought it new. I wish I could get out of that mindset. I hold it to a higher standard because I subconsciously think of it as a new car still. I keep it nearly perfect because I have no plans on selling it even when I get another new car.
I had a lot of people telling me nice car when it was new. That's faded a bit but in another 10 years it should start turning heads again.
I had a lot of people telling me nice car when it was new. That's faded a bit but in another 10 years it should start turning heads again.
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