First time to the race track tonight!advice!
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First time to the race track tonight!advice!
So as of now I have an 04 tl 5sp auto with only an intake for now and im taking it to the drag strip for the first time and am pretty excited
im racing my buddies 69 mustang. i think he just has a stock engine. i forget.
what do you think my quarter time will be and how do you think i will do against him?
also i dont know if i will be able to burnout before to heat my tires for the traction.. no way i am going to neutral drop my car.
advice please?
im racing my buddies 69 mustang. i think he just has a stock engine. i forget.
what do you think my quarter time will be and how do you think i will do against him?
also i dont know if i will be able to burnout before to heat my tires for the traction.. no way i am going to neutral drop my car.
advice please?
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11-06-2009, 06:42 PM
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i have a type s 6spd, but the base can't be that far behind. I pulled a 13.9 with just a CAI and a catback exhaust, with a horribly burnt clutch.
Hey OP, you should do fine. old mustangs are heavy cars, and as long as your friend isn't sandbagging you it should be close. just do a nice clean burnout to knock the dirt and rocks off the tires and get your timing for the tree down and floor it! U shouldn't have to worry about slipping off the line if the track has fresh THC on the ground. if it's slick u might need to adjust your launch for the slickness
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11-06-2009, 11:21 PM
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dude, where are you getting your info??? Curb weight for the 04 is 3,400lbs. Don't say you're rounding, 500lbs is a big difference. I also realize it's an auto, but damn, don't discredit the car so much.
i have a type s 6spd, but the base can't be that far behind. I pulled a 13.9 with just a CAI and a catback exhaust, with a horribly burnt clutch.
Hey OP, you should do fine. old mustangs are heavy cars, and as long as your friend isn't sandbagging you it should be close. just do a nice clean burnout to knock the dirt and rocks off the tires and get your timing for the tree down and floor it! U shouldn't have to worry about slipping off the line if the track has fresh THC on the ground. if it's slick u might need to adjust your launch for the slickness
i have a type s 6spd, but the base can't be that far behind. I pulled a 13.9 with just a CAI and a catback exhaust, with a horribly burnt clutch.
Hey OP, you should do fine. old mustangs are heavy cars, and as long as your friend isn't sandbagging you it should be close. just do a nice clean burnout to knock the dirt and rocks off the tires and get your timing for the tree down and floor it! U shouldn't have to worry about slipping off the line if the track has fresh THC on the ground. if it's slick u might need to adjust your launch for the slickness
11-06-2009, 11:38 PM
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So as of now I have an 04 tl 5sp auto with only an intake for now and im taking it to the drag strip for the first time and am pretty excited
im racing my buddies 69 mustang. i think he just has a stock engine. i forget.
what do you think my quarter time will be and how do you think i will do against him?
also i dont know if i will be able to burnout before to heat my tires for the traction.. no way i am going to neutral drop my car.
advice please?
im racing my buddies 69 mustang. i think he just has a stock engine. i forget.
what do you think my quarter time will be and how do you think i will do against him?
also i dont know if i will be able to burnout before to heat my tires for the traction.. no way i am going to neutral drop my car.
advice please?
Start off with tire pressure. Make sure the rears are at the max cold pressure on the sidewall.
Don't lower the pressure in the front on street tires. It only reduces traction. I would start at 32psi and work from there.
Don't do a burnout, it reduces traction on street tires. Do a quick spin to clean the tires. Stop if you see smoke. Drive around the water if possible, the RWD cars will thank you for not dragging water to the starting line.
I've found mine launches best by shocking it. No powerbraking but each car is different. Traction at the track is generally worse than the street when you're on street tire.
Take out any extra weight.
Keep the hood up till the last minute.
Run premium fuel. I've found mine still pings slightly on 91 octane. It's not audible but it shows up on a scanner. A couple gallons of 100 unleaded can give a few hp and especially torque if it pings on 91.
Make the first pass a conservative one. Most people blow the tires off the first pass.
You could get into shallow vs deep staging and all that but save it for the second or third time.
Last, don't worry about cutting a great light. Your time doesn't start until your front tires break the beam. I'll sit there sometimes for an extra 2-3 seconds building boost before I go.
11-07-2009, 12:43 AM
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i had plenty of complements about my car even though it only had an intake and unfortunately due to dumb people who lose control of there cars i only was able to race 3 times before my friends wanted to leave cause it was so cold
i got there at 8 and raced once and then there was a wreck
waited about 45 mins and raced again with another wreck following waithing aobut another 20 mins and raced a last time.
i ran a 16.3 a high 15 and another 16.2
the slips flew out of my car. and didnt get the chance to race my friends mustang because they seperated us...
i need to work on my reaction timing cause it was bad.
it was like a .69 something one time and .89 another.
but still overall a great expierice. i wont be returning until i get my exhaust combo
oh yeahi was definately was having trouble overall starting off. everytime i would get destroyed coming off the line and catch up
i didnt burnout because i have kumho tires and was told not to because i didnt have slicks or anything.
i had anti traction off(VSA) was it better to have it on or off?
i got there at 8 and raced once and then there was a wreck
waited about 45 mins and raced again with another wreck following waithing aobut another 20 mins and raced a last time.
i ran a 16.3 a high 15 and another 16.2
the slips flew out of my car. and didnt get the chance to race my friends mustang because they seperated us...
i need to work on my reaction timing cause it was bad.
it was like a .69 something one time and .89 another.
but still overall a great expierice. i wont be returning until i get my exhaust combo
oh yeahi was definately was having trouble overall starting off. everytime i would get destroyed coming off the line and catch up
i didnt burnout because i have kumho tires and was told not to because i didnt have slicks or anything.
i had anti traction off(VSA) was it better to have it on or off?
11-07-2009, 12:46 AM
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What was your mph? You should be running low 15s in a stock 5at.
11-07-2009, 12:57 AM
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It's good to see someone taking the TL to the track.
Start off with tire pressure. Make sure the rears are at the max cold pressure on the sidewall.- no idea what that means
Don't lower the pressure in the front on street tires. It only reduces traction. I would start at 32psi and work from there.-my friend did a little bit. we didnt have the tool to meausure tire pressure so we just timed i tand released about 5 secs worth of air.
Don't do a burnout, it reduces traction on street tires. Do a quick spin to clean the tires. Stop if you see smoke. Drive around the water if possible, the RWD cars will thank you for not dragging water to the starting line.- i didnt burn out
I've found mine launches best by shocking it. No powerbraking but each car is different. Traction at the track is generally worse than the street when you're on street tire.-what does this mean?
Take out any extra weight.-wasnt going to go out of my way taking out my seats plus i took 4 people to the track with me... only thing i could take out was all the stuff in my trunk and my spare tire
Keep the hood up till the last minute.-did that
Run premium fuel. I've found mine still pings slightly on 91 octane. It's not audible but it shows up on a scanner. A couple gallons of 100 unleaded can give a few hp and especially torque if it pings on 91.-didnt do it. had a full tank of unleaded...will next time for sure
i shouldnt mix premium and unleaded should i?
Make the first pass a conservative one. Most people blow the tires off the first pass.-what does that mean?
You could get into shallow vs deep staging and all that but save it for the second or third time.-whats that mean?
Last, don't worry about cutting a great light. Your time doesn't start until your front tires break the beam. I'll sit there sometimes for an extra 2-3 seconds building boost before I go.
Start off with tire pressure. Make sure the rears are at the max cold pressure on the sidewall.- no idea what that means
Don't lower the pressure in the front on street tires. It only reduces traction. I would start at 32psi and work from there.-my friend did a little bit. we didnt have the tool to meausure tire pressure so we just timed i tand released about 5 secs worth of air.
Don't do a burnout, it reduces traction on street tires. Do a quick spin to clean the tires. Stop if you see smoke. Drive around the water if possible, the RWD cars will thank you for not dragging water to the starting line.- i didnt burn out
I've found mine launches best by shocking it. No powerbraking but each car is different. Traction at the track is generally worse than the street when you're on street tire.-what does this mean?
Take out any extra weight.-wasnt going to go out of my way taking out my seats plus i took 4 people to the track with me... only thing i could take out was all the stuff in my trunk and my spare tire
Keep the hood up till the last minute.-did that
Run premium fuel. I've found mine still pings slightly on 91 octane. It's not audible but it shows up on a scanner. A couple gallons of 100 unleaded can give a few hp and especially torque if it pings on 91.-didnt do it. had a full tank of unleaded...will next time for sure
i shouldnt mix premium and unleaded should i?
Make the first pass a conservative one. Most people blow the tires off the first pass.-what does that mean?
You could get into shallow vs deep staging and all that but save it for the second or third time.-whats that mean?
Last, don't worry about cutting a great light. Your time doesn't start until your front tires break the beam. I'll sit there sometimes for an extra 2-3 seconds building boost before I go.
sorry if these are dumb questions i am a noobyyy
11-07-2009, 12:59 AM
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oh no. only low 16s
what do you think i did wrong?
like i said i was very bad starting off
i would just have my foot on the break and slam it on the gas when the light turned green.i need to work on that because my reaction time is terrible on top of having a slow time.
mph was 70 in third gear
what do you think i did wrong?
like i said i was very bad starting off
i would just have my foot on the break and slam it on the gas when the light turned green.i need to work on that because my reaction time is terrible on top of having a slow time.
mph was 70 in third gear
11-07-2009, 01:00 AM
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I hate to disagree but older Mustangs were pretty light. No real safety to worry about. Even my GN which looks like it weighs a ton weighed a hair over 3,300lbs stock and now 3,000lbs. Newer cars are at a disadvantage with the extra safety stuff. However, it's worth it.
11-07-2009, 01:42 AM
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Your best bet is not to brake torque the TL off the line. It bogs! slam the gas and manual shift so you can hit redline. the tl upshifts early if left in d5. what was your elevation, humidity, temp? that will also give a good indication as to why you ran such a bad time. what was your 60ft time?
11-07-2009, 01:58 AM
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Damn in the 16's? That's a number for a stock Civic SI. Something def. wrong here, you should be low 15's or high 14's. 14.9 stock sounds about right, with pre-cats/j-pipe/catback you're looking at low 14's with s/c at low boost you're looking at high 13's, with high boost you're looking at high 12's or low 13s
300WHP usually gets you in the 13's.
300WHP usually gets you in the 13's.
11-07-2009, 02:41 AM
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well its only 04s only have 268hp stock. plus round 5hp with my intake
what does break torque mean?
i dont understand what you were trying to say satin sorry i am a kind of new to all of this.
it was a windy chilly night
anyw i found one of my slips wherei ran a 16.3
it says
r/t-.827
60'-2.628
330-7.138
1/8-10.750
mph-69.07
1000-13.810
1/4-16.3
mph-88.79
what does break torque mean?
i dont understand what you were trying to say satin sorry i am a kind of new to all of this.
it was a windy chilly night
anyw i found one of my slips wherei ran a 16.3
it says
r/t-.827
60'-2.628
330-7.138
1/8-10.750
mph-69.07
1000-13.810
1/4-16.3
mph-88.79
11-07-2009, 03:38 AM
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. I ran with 6mt and just an intake when I first got her and ran against my friend who had a type s. I ran with subs in the car that weights 100pounds. I ran a 14.8 and he ran a 14.5...sorry OP but that is crazy you ran a 13.9 with a intake, I don't believe it. Not trying to bash but I would love to see that, its not a track car why do you think a fully bolted S.C. TL ran 13.2.
. I ran with 6mt and just an intake when I first got her and ran against my friend who had a type s. I ran with subs in the car that weights 100pounds. I ran a 14.8 and he ran a 14.5...sorry OP but that is crazy you ran a 13.9 with a intake, I don't believe it. Not trying to bash but I would love to see that, its not a track car why do you think a fully bolted S.C. TL ran 13.2.
11-07-2009, 09:58 AM
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What track? What rpms was the tranny or you shifting at?
I'll say I'm not surprised by the ETs seeing that he's a first timer and that the 5AT is significantly slower than the 6MT. According to the times on this site, the 5AT 3rd gen is typically a mid 15 second car at 90-91mph car. Seeing that he's new to this and his 60' was really slow, he'll be right there with the typical 5AT once he gets the launch down.
I'll say I'm not surprised by the ETs seeing that he's a first timer and that the 5AT is significantly slower than the 6MT. According to the times on this site, the 5AT 3rd gen is typically a mid 15 second car at 90-91mph car. Seeing that he's new to this and his 60' was really slow, he'll be right there with the typical 5AT once he gets the launch down.
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11-07-2009, 02:20 PM
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Were you spinning at all?
Don't worry about your reaction time, it doesn't factor into the ET. Just concentrate on the launch.
I would have one foot on the brake and one touching the gas but not pressing on it. When the second yellow lights, slam the gas and let off the brake. You always go on the second yellow, not green.
Don't worry about your reaction time, it doesn't factor into the ET. Just concentrate on the launch.
I would have one foot on the brake and one touching the gas but not pressing on it. When the second yellow lights, slam the gas and let off the brake. You always go on the second yellow, not green.
11-07-2009, 02:28 PM
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And don't feel bad, this is a lot of fun. After you've been doing it a few years you learn to build a car that *should* run a full second faster than your goal and maybe then it will hit the goal.
My 10 second combo was going 11.50s for a long time as I re-learned the launch and started getting aggressive on the tuning.
My first time to the track as a 17 year old in my bone stock GN netted a 16.5 with something like a 2.8 60'. With about 10 runs I finally got it consistently in the 13s.
In other words, the first time or two will always be disappointing..
My 10 second combo was going 11.50s for a long time as I re-learned the launch and started getting aggressive on the tuning.
My first time to the track as a 17 year old in my bone stock GN netted a 16.5 with something like a 2.8 60'. With about 10 runs I finally got it consistently in the 13s.
In other words, the first time or two will always be disappointing..
11-07-2009, 02:51 PM
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258 . I ran with 6mt and just an intake when I first got her and ran against my friend who had a type s. I ran with subs in the car that weights 100pounds. I ran a 14.8 and he ran a 14.5...sorry OP but that is crazy you ran a 13.9 with a intake, I don't believe it. Not trying to bash but I would love to see that, its not a track car why do you think a fully bolted S.C. TL ran 13.2.
. I ran with 6mt and just an intake when I first got her and ran against my friend who had a type s. I ran with subs in the car that weights 100pounds. I ran a 14.8 and he ran a 14.5...sorry OP but that is crazy you ran a 13.9 with a intake, I don't believe it. Not trying to bash but I would love to see that, its not a track car why do you think a fully bolted S.C. TL ran 13.2.i mean i can take a pic of the slip if you want
11-07-2009, 02:53 PM
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What track? What rpms was the tranny or you shifting at?
I'll say I'm not surprised by the ETs seeing that he's a first timer and that the 5AT is significantly slower than the 6MT. According to the times on this site, the 5AT 3rd gen is typically a mid 15 second car at 90-91mph car. Seeing that he's new to this and his 60' was really slow, he'll be right there with the typical 5AT once he gets the launch down.
I'll say I'm not surprised by the ETs seeing that he's a first timer and that the 5AT is significantly slower than the 6MT. According to the times on this site, the 5AT 3rd gen is typically a mid 15 second car at 90-91mph car. Seeing that he's new to this and his 60' was really slow, he'll be right there with the typical 5AT once he gets the launch down.
it wont go past 7 cause i have an automatic
11-07-2009, 02:56 PM
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And don't feel bad, this is a lot of fun. After you've been doing it a few years you learn to build a car that *should* run a full second faster than your goal and maybe then it will hit the goal.
My 10 second combo was going 11.50s for a long time as I re-learned the launch and started getting aggressive on the tuning.
My first time to the track as a 17 year old in my bone stock GN netted a 16.5 with something like a 2.8 60'. With about 10 runs I finally got it consistently in the 13s.
In other words, the first time or two will always be disappointing..
My 10 second combo was going 11.50s for a long time as I re-learned the launch and started getting aggressive on the tuning.
My first time to the track as a 17 year old in my bone stock GN netted a 16.5 with something like a 2.8 60'. With about 10 runs I finally got it consistently in the 13s.
In other words, the first time or two will always be disappointing..
i definately need work on launch and will appreciate any help i can get
so advice on launch.
i kind of noticed that when i raced because off the line i would lose against the other racer but would quickly catch up
11-07-2009, 02:59 PM
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You realize with a good set of tires and lots of practice, if you got that 60' to a 2.0, you would be running a bottom 15.
However, at 88mph the power is not there. You should be in the low to mid 90s. This is not your driving style, there's something wrong with the car.
Either you're at high altitude, you have lots of weight in the car or you need to get it checked out.
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Were you spinning at all?
Don't worry about your reaction time, it doesn't factor into the ET. Just concentrate on the launch.
I would have one foot on the brake and one touching the gas but not pressing on it. When the second yellow lights, slam the gas and let off the brake. You always go on the second yellow, not green.
Don't worry about your reaction time, it doesn't factor into the ET. Just concentrate on the launch.
I would have one foot on the brake and one touching the gas but not pressing on it. When the second yellow lights, slam the gas and let off the brake. You always go on the second yellow, not green.
i wasnt sure if i wanted it on or off.
i had it off all the times do i want that on or off when im on the track?
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We know what your 60' is and that's the main culprit of the slow times. For every tenth you reduce the 60' time, you knock of 1.5 tenths in the 1/4 ET.
You realize with a good set of tires and lots of practice, if you got that 60' to a 2.0, you would be running a bottom 15.
However, at 88mph the power is not there. You should be in the low to mid 90s. This is not your driving style, there's something wrong with the car.
Either you're at high altitude, you have lots of weight in the car or you need to get it checked out.
You realize with a good set of tires and lots of practice, if you got that 60' to a 2.0, you would be running a bottom 15.
However, at 88mph the power is not there. You should be in the low to mid 90s. This is not your driving style, there's something wrong with the car.
Either you're at high altitude, you have lots of weight in the car or you need to get it checked out.
but still what do you think is wrong with the car? the weather was probably 50 degrees? probably 15 mph winds.
11-07-2009, 05:49 PM
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What's the altitude where you live? At 50 degrees you should've seen mid 90mph traps. Your car is acting as if it's 50hp short of what it should be.
11-07-2009, 09:58 PM
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i dont knowww...
i mean i took out the spare.
and any extra junk laying out
i slammed on the gas and off the breaks off the start with it in first gear triptronic with anti traction off...
i mean i took out the spare.
and any extra junk laying out
i slammed on the gas and off the breaks off the start with it in first gear triptronic with anti traction off...
11-08-2009, 12:15 AM
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i had plenty of complements about my car even though it only had an intake and unfortunately due to dumb people who lose control of there cars i only was able to race 3 times before my friends wanted to leave cause it was so cold
i got there at 8 and raced once and then there was a wreck
waited about 45 mins and raced again with another wreck following waithing aobut another 20 mins and raced a last time.
i ran a 16.3 a high 15 and another 16.2
the slips flew out of my car. and didnt get the chance to race my friends mustang because they seperated us...
i need to work on my reaction timing cause it was bad.
it was like a .69 something one time and .89 another.
but still overall a great expierice. i wont be returning until i get my exhaust combo
oh yeahi was definately was having trouble overall starting off. everytime i would get destroyed coming off the line and catch up
i didnt burnout because i have kumho tires and was told not to because i didnt have slicks or anything.
i had anti traction off(VSA) was it better to have it on or off?
i got there at 8 and raced once and then there was a wreck
waited about 45 mins and raced again with another wreck following waithing aobut another 20 mins and raced a last time.
i ran a 16.3 a high 15 and another 16.2
the slips flew out of my car. and didnt get the chance to race my friends mustang because they seperated us...
i need to work on my reaction timing cause it was bad.
it was like a .69 something one time and .89 another.
but still overall a great expierice. i wont be returning until i get my exhaust combo
oh yeahi was definately was having trouble overall starting off. everytime i would get destroyed coming off the line and catch up
i didnt burnout because i have kumho tires and was told not to because i didnt have slicks or anything.
i had anti traction off(VSA) was it better to have it on or off?
258 . I ran with 6mt and just an intake when I first got her and ran against my friend who had a type s. I ran with subs in the car that weights 100pounds. I ran a 14.8 and he ran a 14.5...sorry OP but that is crazy you ran a 13.9 with a intake, I don't believe it. Not trying to bash but I would love to see that, its not a track car why do you think a fully bolted S.C. TL ran 13.2.
. I ran with 6mt and just an intake when I first got her and ran against my friend who had a type s. I ran with subs in the car that weights 100pounds. I ran a 14.8 and he ran a 14.5...sorry OP but that is crazy you ran a 13.9 with a intake, I don't believe it. Not trying to bash but I would love to see that, its not a track car why do you think a fully bolted S.C. TL ran 13.2.when i raced, i was put next to an STI and yea i got beat, but it wasn't that rediculous. i trapped at 102 and he only trapped at 100. i got spanked off the line but i closed the gap surprisingly well at the end.
11-08-2009, 12:20 AM
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I hate to disagree but older Mustangs were pretty light. No real safety to worry about. Even my GN which looks like it weighs a ton weighed a hair over 3,300lbs stock and now 3,000lbs. Newer cars are at a disadvantage with the extra safety stuff. However, it's worth it.
11-08-2009, 12:33 AM
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The density altitude last night at Thunder Valley was in the 2000' range. That means about .25 seconds and 1.5mph was sucked out of the car compared to if you runnning under sea level air density. Once you get the launch figured out and get it into a more realistic low 2.3 60' range, you'll be running mid 15s@90mph, at least.
Next time out, I'd recommend doing a quick brake torque launch. That means foot on the brake hard, foot resting on the gas, when it's time to go, mash the gas to the floor and release the brake about 1 second later. See what happens. I'll bet it will get you into 2.3 60' foot range. I'd say that intake is doing you absolutely no favors. It was probably heat soaked badly and sucking in hot engine bay air while waiting in line.
Next time out, I'd recommend doing a quick brake torque launch. That means foot on the brake hard, foot resting on the gas, when it's time to go, mash the gas to the floor and release the brake about 1 second later. See what happens. I'll bet it will get you into 2.3 60' foot range. I'd say that intake is doing you absolutely no favors. It was probably heat soaked badly and sucking in hot engine bay air while waiting in line.
11-08-2009, 06:44 AM
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I've seen trucks run better times, this was clearly a case of driver mod. I thought 6MT TLSs were mid 15 cars until I saw one get a low 14. I've seen 500hp Mustangs hit mid 14s.
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11-08-2009, 10:32 AM
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Watch this video. I stop, put my foot on the brake, mash the gas (this is when the back end drops a bit), then I release the brake shortly after. You're using two feet, not one.
