I had the same thing happen to me when I had my '85 GT, the car ran 11.9@119 (nicely modified and with only 3:73 gears) but looked very close to stock. I had fun with a ZR1 who followed me into a gas station with his jaw on the floor wondering how I could "keep up" with him. I smiled and said I loved the ZR1 knowing full well I could have passed him any time I wanted. Turns out the guy was nice and we ended up talking for a few hours showing each other our cars. Damn I miss that Mustang.

 

But his ZR-1 was probably BONE STOCK while your Mustang was "nicely modified."

I wonder who would have won if the race continued beyond ~ 120 MPH?

You say "only" 3.73 gears but neglect to mention that those mid 80's Mustangs ran pretty steep 1st and 2nd gear ratios...

Streetable Integras CAN run in the tens...:wow: Most don't...but SOME do.

This guy is doing it withOUT a blower!

http://www.l-natural.com/integra.htm

 

Who cares?! Did anyone mention gas mileage? LMAO, this thread has nothing to do with gas mileage, that's your obsession alone. You seem confused, so maybe this can help clarify something for you. This thread, titled "First Race: Vette!", has nothing to do with you, your Camaro, your Accord, an Integra, how many valves, pushrods or camshafts any of them have or don't have, or how any of that relates to your Camaro's fuel economy.

Before you get started on any (or all) of your other favorite rants, neither is this thread about HIDs, fog lights, fake fog lights, 30-40 year old muscle cars, cheesy magazines, your Camaro's mods, the absurd price of A-Spec, what an Accord is worth, why you leased an Accord, you Accord's new tires, why a TL is a rip-off (to you), what a TL is not worth (to you), what rich people don't do with their money, or the dreaded NSX. No need to post scans of any more age old, irrelevant articles from Hot Rod magazine; everyone here has already seen how great your scanner operates in greyscale.

If you'd like to post on topic and contribute something useful, great, welcome, please do. If you're just here to troll some more, then please, why don't you do the forum (or at least this thread) a big favor: Take all your cherry picked data & URLs, your useless, bandwidth consuming scans, and go pick your narcissistic little fight somewhere else. Moderators of this forum would be wise to take a good look at your posting history, both here and elsewhere.

 

It's a run what ya brung world. Would'a and could'a just don't cut it. The thing is he understood that my car would have killed his, but he was respectful, as I was towards his car because it is an awesome ride and he is a good guy who deserves repect. Unlike some people.

Wonder no longer, we weren't racing, maybe you missed that.

I shouldn't need to mention what the gearing of the tranny was, this wasn't a story meant to be told down to the micro level of both cars. You would argue the shape of the moon wouldn't you. Not a single person but you cares, the car "ONLY" had 3.73's, it could have had 4.10's, did I go into a reason why it did or didn't? NO, because nobody cares.

Most don't, ya think?

Uh, ok, good for him, this has what to do with this story you have now turned into a debate?

 

UminChu,

:worship: I bow to your well said post... :bowdown:

 

Norse, I think you put it even better. I don't care that he brought up gas mileage... But I was wondering where the Integra without a blower came from. Left field, maybe???

 

1) The old issues of "HOT ROD" are relevent because they disprove NORSE396's claim that 396 Chevy engines produced "335 RWHP" in STOCK tune/condition.

2) MPG/DRIVEWHEEL HP is an EXCELLENT (and too often overlooked) measure of a VEHICLE'S efficiency. Ricers shy away from that topic because it blows their "high tech/high efficiency engine" arguments right out of the water.

3) You want to go one on one with me on ANY auto related topic then do it. Otherwise mind your own damn business.

4) No-one FORCES you to read my posts; IGNORE them if they make you feel so inferior.:wow:

 

It was posted in response to THIS. You might want to condition your microscopic mind into reading PREVIOUS posts before making ill-conceived responses to other's threads.

 

There is no one to one with you, you ignore whats written and take the words that you want to argue. You have missed every point every person has made to you on this forum, this has got to be some kind of record for idiocy online.

There isn't a "Ricer" present on this forum, we don't argue MPG and we don't brag about Acura engines like you claim we do.

You are just looking for arguments and will argue about anything, just like a spoiled child, or just a very stupid person.

So says the most microscopic person here who never reads the posts he's responding to.

 

Several people on here have called my 1999 1LE/LS1 Z28 a "POS;" many did so back when I was warmer in my approach.

If it's a "POS" then why can't Acura and Honda build a gasoline powered car (in 2004) that gets more MPG/drivewheel HP?

And why does the only Acura/Honda car that is TRULY competitive with a 1LE Z28 cost 4 times as much?

 

UminChu,

(APPLAUSE)

That sh*t was harsh, but freaking hilarious!


Harddrive,

My cat's breath smells like cat food.



~Z

 

 

Kudos for UminChu for summing it up nicely.

 

and being ALMOST as dumb as you are.

 

You know, it's funny, d1ckhead, that your entire post up to the point of mentioning the Integra was referring to the ZR-1 post. You even quoted that post, and that post alone. Then you throw something in at the end about an Integra from a different post, with absolutely no transition, other than a line break. Pardon me for not being able to follow your ADD-like logic.
You could have just explained it without being an a$$.

 

A guy with a CORVETTE was laughing at the prospect of an INTEGRA being faster.

That's just a few posts up from this one in the SAME THREAD.

But I'm "not allowed" to comment on it?

 

And whilst explaining this, please explain who cares...
That's like the damned argument about horsepower per liter. Who cares what your horsepower per liter or MPG/drivewheel HP is? What ultimately counts the most is how quick it is.

 

Or that it isn't a plastic POS that falls apart within 5 seconds of leaving the lot.

 

I don't care about HP/liter.

I care about HORSEPOWER, vehicle weight and what it costs to feed per mile.

HP/liter matters in racing, where there are limitations placed on displacment by a sanctioning body.

There are no such limits on the street.

 

I said nothing about you being allowed to do anything. I just said you quoted one post, commented on several of its aspects, then jumped to another. The statement regarding the Integra was out of context to me and my "microscopic mind". :P
You can cooment on whatever the hell you want.

 

But your 1986 Buick is the epitome of ultimate build quality...right?

 

Here...try one more time to UNDERSTAND it:


quote:
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Originally posted by kilrb
...But I was wondering where the Integra without a blower came from. Left field, maybe???
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It was posted in response to THIS. You might want to condition your microscopic mind into reading PREVIOUS posts before making ill-conceived responses to other's threads.

quote:
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Originally posted by Z Factor
...He started to say my Vette was fast, but no match for his modified Integra. I didn't say anything to him other than you have a nice car, smiled, and drove away...
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I realize you didn't argue about hp/liter. I was trying to compare your fascination with mpg/whp to others' fascination with hp/liter. IMO both are about as useless in this discussion about racing a Vette.

 

Not true...

It's interesting to note that the 'Vette is MUCH faster, yet gets COMPARABLE fuel economy.

Guess why?

Hint: E = (MV^2)/2

Small displacement engines typically yield RELATIVEY low fuel economy because they have to rev like chainsaws to make enough power to get down the car down the road.

While their reciprocating engine mass is higher, they are spinning much FASTER. That means they're turning @ a much higher velocity. The difference in velocity SQUARES.:wow:

 

You may have been referring to an earlier post, but you didn't make any reference to it. In long threads, it helps to refer to the post about which you are speaking. When you quote one, then jump to another with no reference, you are harder to follow for the sound of mind.

 

In long threads, it makes sense to read previous posts before jumping in and opening your big mouth by posting an ill-conceived responses.:bigun2:

 

It's interesting, but so is the manufacturing process of plastic bags, but I don't bring that up in reference to a race!

 

I definitely would have gotten a 6MT but it hurts with the worst two things in Atlanta - traffic and bad drivers.

 

Apparently you're not familiar with the role fuel strategies (which are largely dictated by what the RACE CAR gets for fuel mileage) play in Formula 1 racing, Champ car racing, @ Lemans, etc.

Is there ANYTHING you are familiar with?

If so, let's talk about it.:o

 

It's unfortunate that Acura didn't see fit to use the 6 speed's larger anti-roll bars and Brembo brakes in the automatic version of the TL....

I considered an automatic TL and shyed away from it based largely on that.

 

I'm familiar with what those strategies mean on the street, when comparing a Vette to a TL. Jack $hit! That would be a good post for a new discussion, but not this one...

 

I think the reason they didn't do that is so they could capture some of the older TL crowd. After all, there are people who buy this car simply for its smooth ride, or quiet cabin.

~Z

 

1) I like a fast car

2) I like it more when it gets BETTER MILEAGE than slower cars because that means the car is FASTER and more fuel efficient.

Get it

 

Your likes regarding fuel efficiency don't have a lot to do with the original post referring to a race against a vette. You hit tangents like a son of a b!tch!

 

In my mind it keeps going back to Acura's failure to offer the A-spec package as a reasonably priced (~ $1,800), factory installed option.

The Brembos and the larger diameter bars would be included with the rest of the package in the automatic cars, even it it meant an additional ~ $500.

BMW, MB and many other companies offer hot suspension packages in their automatic cars.

Acura would sell more TLs if they did the same.

 

Gee, you had NO TROUBLE picking up the (initial) sentence or so that I wrote on that topic (as a side-note), yet you missed the other guy's comment regarding the Integra ENTIRELY.:wow:

My Z28 would BLOW AWAY my new V6 Accord and in REAL WORLD driving, I get BETTER MILEAGE with the Z.

I think that's of some significance.

 

i have a 1.6 liter civic and it yields relatively high fuel economy. i don't have to rev like a chainsaw because the car weighs 2200 pounds more or less. maybe 2400 with my dumb sound mods and my own body.

 

I'm SOOOO glad GM killed the F-body...

These mulletsaurs will soon be extinct.

 

mulletsaurs...

That's a good one!

Should I be offended? My mullet makes Billy Ray Sirus jealous!!!

~Z