Drain Plug/ Leaking
12-26-2007, 07:53 AM
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Drain Plug/ Leaking
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I have a 04 TL with 59k/ This morning as i walk to my car i see a run of oil from under my car. I check the oil level and notice that is low. I take it to this place where i just recently got my oil changed. They check the drain plug and advised me that i will need to replace it as the car will continue to leak because the screw is now tight enought.
Now should I have this job done at the stearlership or a Local Mechanic?
How Complex is this job?
How Much more or less should i expect to spend?
Hope someone has information for me...Plx Help!!!
I have a 04 TL with 59k/ This morning as i walk to my car i see a run of oil from under my car. I check the oil level and notice that is low. I take it to this place where i just recently got my oil changed. They check the drain plug and advised me that i will need to replace it as the car will continue to leak because the screw is now tight enought.
Now should I have this job done at the stearlership or a Local Mechanic?
How Complex is this job?
How Much more or less should i expect to spend?
Hope someone has information for me...Plx Help!!!
12-26-2007, 08:24 AM
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Replace what, the drain plug? Oil pan? Either (a) they didn't replace the crush washer as they should have or they over tightened the plug and stripped the threads. In either case, it's the shop's problem to fix -- they screwed up. BTW, there are a number of solutions to fixing stripped pan threads short of replacing the pan including retapping and replacing with a larger plug made for just that purpose.
12-26-2007, 08:27 AM
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this place that you recently take your car for oil changes... is it one of those quick 10 min lube joints??? nonetheless, it may be a simply be a <$1 fix... if they change the oil without changing the crush washer on the drain plug, when they tighten the drain plug back on, if the crush washer is reused many times, it will cause different lines in the washer where the oil can run into and leak out of... i would check that first before thinking about having to change the bolt itself...
12-26-2007, 08:36 AM
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Originally Posted by DanL
Replace what, the drain plug? Oil pan? Either (a) they didn't replace the crush washer as they should have or they over tightened the plug and stripped the threads. In either case, it's the shop's problem to fix -- they screwed up. BTW, there are a number of solutions to fixing stripped pan threads short of replacing the pan including retapping and replacing with a larger plug made for just that purpose.
The dude was talking about the screw not going in right/ I couldnt understand his english very well. But i def know he was talking about the screw not going in right.
For the other guy above it's one of the quick lube joints. aaahhh HELP!!!!
12-26-2007, 08:37 AM
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Again we see another reason for changing your own oil. As has been mentioned, it could be as simple as the shop not using, or constantly reusing, the aluminum washer, or a more serious affair, such as stripped threads in the pan caused by not using a torque wrench when reinstalling the drain plug.
If it is stripped threads, the proper fix is to remove the oil pan and rethread the drain opening. The reason for removing the pan is to clean around the opening after threading to make sure there are no metal filings left around the opening.
Do yourself a favor if it is at all possible and change your own oil. That way you'll know what was done and if you do it correctly, you'll have the peace of mind knowing it was done right.
If it is stripped threads, the proper fix is to remove the oil pan and rethread the drain opening. The reason for removing the pan is to clean around the opening after threading to make sure there are no metal filings left around the opening.
Do yourself a favor if it is at all possible and change your own oil. That way you'll know what was done and if you do it correctly, you'll have the peace of mind knowing it was done right.
12-26-2007, 08:43 AM
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the shop that u took it to stripped it. they should of told u about the problem when they took out the drain plug. since they didnt say anything it was all good till HE put it in crooked and hoped that nothing would happen. one quick fix is to put an over sized drain plug for temporary use only. talk to the shop manager.
12-26-2007, 08:51 AM
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Originally Posted by SouthernBoy
Again we see another reason for changing your own oil. As has been mentioned, it could be as simple as the shop not using, or constantly reusing, the aluminum washer, or a more serious affair, such as stripped threads in the pan caused by not using a torque wrench when reinstalling the drain plug.
If it is stripped threads, the proper fix is to remove the oil pan and rethread the drain opening. The reason for removing the pan is to clean around the opening after threading to make sure there are no metal filings left around the opening.
Do yourself a favor if it is at all possible and change your own oil. That way you'll know what was done and if you do it correctly, you'll have the peace of mind knowing it was done right.
If it is stripped threads, the proper fix is to remove the oil pan and rethread the drain opening. The reason for removing the pan is to clean around the opening after threading to make sure there are no metal filings left around the opening.
Do yourself a favor if it is at all possible and change your own oil. That way you'll know what was done and if you do it correctly, you'll have the peace of mind knowing it was done right.
So doing the re-thread....should i take it to the Acura Dealership Service to have this job done?? how complex is this job? Or can it be taken to a friendshop?
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12-26-2007, 08:52 AM
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Originally Posted by clavodulce16
The dude was talking about the screw not going in right/ I couldnt understand his english very well. But i def know he was talking about the screw not going in right.
For the other guy above it's one of the quick lube joints. aaahhh HELP!!!!
For the other guy above it's one of the quick lube joints. aaahhh HELP!!!!
but as SB has said, yes please try to change your own oil when u can... it is so easy and will only take you 20 mins tops... you know it will be done right but if you live in an apt complex like i used to or if you live in an area where it is too cold to do yourself during the winter, please just take it to a dealer... for an oil change, it will run you $30 max... less if they have promotional coupons for you... how much more are you paying compared to that quick lube joint??? but think about it, u may have been saving a bit of $ every every oil change but now you may have to shell out a few hundred if your oil pan is stripped...
i already had my scare from these quick lube places 2 times... first time was the exact same situation as urs... i came home after an oil change and the next morning there was a pool of oil on the ground... took it back to them and their solution was to put a bunch of silicone around the bolt before tightening it back on... i went to the dealership and picked up some washer and changed it out myself... fixed...
second time was on my 1st gen TL, the drain bolt is recessed into the pan... which means that you should be using a socket and not a wrench to take off and tighten the bolt... one winter it was too cold for me to do the oil change so i brought it to them, in the spring when i got under my car to change the oil, the damn bolt was rounded off... i brought it back to them... they said it was seized on... they took a blow torch to it and had to drill into the old bolt to get it to turn out... never went their again...
12-26-2007, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by clavodulce16
So doing the re-thread....should i take it to the Acura Dealership Service to have this job done?? how complex is this job? Or can it be taken to a friendshop?
you could get away with just tapping the pan without taking it off the car and flushing oil down to try and get any metal shavings out... but i would try to make absolutely sure that it is clean before filling the engine with oil and firing her back up... (use a magnetic plug or even run the car for a few seconds and do another oil change or BOTH) but u don't want to risk having those metal shavings from your tap making love to the internals of your engine... good luck
12-26-2007, 09:03 AM
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Originally Posted by Rajca
the shop that u took it to stripped it. they should of told u about the problem when they took out the drain plug. since they didnt say anything it was all good till HE put it in crooked and hoped that nothing would happen. one quick fix is to put an over sized drain plug for temporary use only. talk to the shop manager.
I guess i will have to learn how to do this job myself. Never done it before. I guess the best is to take the car to ACURA for them to fix this for me. I will contact the manager to see if they pay for this job. Or atleast half of it. Any idea how much this will cost me??
12-26-2007, 09:06 AM
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Originally Posted by KaMLuNg
it isn't necessary to take it to Acura if you have a good personal mechanic... the proper way to do it would be to drop the oil pan, retap and clean off any metal shavings before putting it back in... but that may get a little costly...
you could get away with just tapping the pan without taking it off the car and flushing oil down to try and get any metal shavings out... but i would try to make absolutely sure that it is clean before filling the engine with oil and firing her back up... (use a magnetic plug or even run the car for a few seconds and do another oil change or BOTH) but u don't want to risk having those metal shavings from your tap making love to the internals of your engine... good luck
you could get away with just tapping the pan without taking it off the car and flushing oil down to try and get any metal shavings out... but i would try to make absolutely sure that it is clean before filling the engine with oil and firing her back up... (use a magnetic plug or even run the car for a few seconds and do another oil change or BOTH) but u don't want to risk having those metal shavings from your tap making love to the internals of your engine... good luck
Just called acura and they told me that they don't rethread oil pan. They will replace it witha new one./ guy will call me back with pricing.
12-26-2007, 09:10 AM
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Originally Posted by clavodulce16
Just called acura and they told me that they don't rethread oil pan. They will replace it witha new one./ guy will call me back with pricing.
OKay just got the call back/ JOhny from Acura of Westchester told me it will cost me $350 dollars to replace the oil pan. would it better to replace then rethreading?
12-26-2007, 09:17 AM
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Originally Posted by clavodulce16
OKay just got the call back/ JOhny from Acura of Westchester told me it will cost me $350 dollars to replace the oil pan. would it better to replace then rethreading?
12-26-2007, 09:24 AM
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[QUOTE=KaMLuNg]the pan itself isn't expensive...
#2 is $79.33.... the labor is what gets you...
Now the question is. If i purchase the oil pan. Is it real simple to replace the old one?
it's a matter of taking one out and installing the new one?
Where can i order the pan from?
#2 is $79.33.... the labor is what gets you...
Now the question is. If i purchase the oil pan. Is it real simple to replace the old one?
it's a matter of taking one out and installing the new one?
Where can i order the pan from?
12-26-2007, 09:35 AM
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if you need to order any OEM parts... hit up Hondacura world... 1-888-729-5257... ask for Tim...
logically yes, it is just taking off the old one and putting on the new one... but no offense, if you said that you don't even know how to change your own oil, i would not suggest you tackle this yourself... i don't remember what the underside of the 3rd gen looks like but some oil pans are a b!tch... you may have axles in the way that need to be removed first... and if you don't torque the pan on properly then you will create a different leak... if i was in your situation i would just take it somewhere...
if you order the pan, don't forget the gasket...
logically yes, it is just taking off the old one and putting on the new one... but no offense, if you said that you don't even know how to change your own oil, i would not suggest you tackle this yourself... i don't remember what the underside of the 3rd gen looks like but some oil pans are a b!tch... you may have axles in the way that need to be removed first... and if you don't torque the pan on properly then you will create a different leak... if i was in your situation i would just take it somewhere...
if you order the pan, don't forget the gasket...
12-26-2007, 09:40 AM
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Originally Posted by KaMLuNg
if you need to order any OEM parts... hit up Hondacura world... 1-888-729-5257... ask for Tim...
logically yes, it is just taking off the old one and putting on the new one... but no offense, if you said that you don't even know how to change your own oil, i would not suggest you tackle this yourself... i don't remember what the underside of the 3rd gen looks like but some oil pans are a b!tch... you may have axles in the way that need to be removed first... and if you don't torque the pan on properly then you will create a different leak... if i was in your situation i would just take it somewhere...
if you order the pan, don't forget the gasket...
logically yes, it is just taking off the old one and putting on the new one... but no offense, if you said that you don't even know how to change your own oil, i would not suggest you tackle this yourself... i don't remember what the underside of the 3rd gen looks like but some oil pans are a b!tch... you may have axles in the way that need to be removed first... and if you don't torque the pan on properly then you will create a different leak... if i was in your situation i would just take it somewhere...
if you order the pan, don't forget the gasket...
no offense taken, trust me i wasnt planning on doing this myself lol. I was going to take it to a shop to get it replaced. Is there a website i can look at?
12-26-2007, 09:41 AM
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Originally Posted by clavodulce16
OKay just got the call back/ JOhny from Acura of Westchester told me it will cost me $350 dollars to replace the oil pan. would it better to replace then rethreading?
if you are around the NYC, North NJ area, i have a personal mechanic that does all the work on my cars... he is in Elizabeth, NJ next to the Newark Airport... he can replace and/or retap your old oil pan if you want... he only charges $65/hour for labor so you would prob be saving alot more than the dealership... PM me and i can give u the details...
12-26-2007, 09:43 AM
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Originally Posted by clavodulce16
no offense taken, trust me i wasnt planning on doing this myself lol. I was going to take it to a shop to get it replaced. Is there a website i can look at?
http://acuraautomotiveparts.org
12-26-2007, 02:13 PM
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Originally Posted by KaMLuNg
you may have axles in the way that need to be removed first....
12-26-2007, 02:21 PM
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Originally Posted by KaMLuNg
UPDATE'''''''
i go to the quick lube place and i tell this dude that it needs to be fixed ASAP. it just happened he was covering for another manager which was in vacation. the guy did something to the drain and put ina nother plug, he said it should be fine now. i will let me car sit over night and see what happens. they have replaced my oil 3 times already( mobil 1) wish me luckk
12-26-2007, 03:34 PM
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Originally Posted by avs007
Why would you have an axle under the oil pan? But yeah, I know what you mean. I vaguely remember the TL's oil pan being clear of obstructions... I have a car that has an engine mount in the way of the oil-pan... THAT is a biotch to deal with, becuase I think the service manual on that car says you need to put the engine on a hoist/cradle, to remove the engine mount, so you can drop the pan.
12-26-2007, 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by clavodulce16
UPDATE'''''''
i go to the quick lube place and i tell this dude that it needs to be fixed ASAP. it just happened he was covering for another manager which was in vacation. the guy did something to the drain and put ina nother plug, he said it should be fine now. i will let me car sit over night and see what happens. they have replaced my oil 3 times already( mobil 1) wish me luckk
i go to the quick lube place and i tell this dude that it needs to be fixed ASAP. it just happened he was covering for another manager which was in vacation. the guy did something to the drain and put ina nother plug, he said it should be fine now. i will let me car sit over night and see what happens. they have replaced my oil 3 times already( mobil 1) wish me luckk
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