I agree fully, except that it would be better AWD, but besides that I can't live with rattles. It is just the way I am. I hate noise that doesn't belong. I am very anal when it comes to things like that. Other people are different and don't mind.
When talking to dealers about all the minor TL issues they all look like I am talking a foreign language too.

 

Well, DAMN I'm impressed with your MBA, Ralph Nader, but I don't necessarily agree with your philosophy. I owned an Audi A6 4.2, and no matter how many times I complained to the service department and to Audi of America about the poor service, nothing changed. I also owned a Lexus SC430 (even though I don't have an MBA), and no matter how many times I and my fellow owners complained about the rough ride and numerous RATTLES caused by the runflat tires, Lexus still chose to include them as an extra-cost "option" that was basically mandatory in the purchase. Consequently, I really don't think our "consumer crusades" really make as much of a difference as you think.

Now, back to topic... even after owning more expensive cars, I love my TL and can't think of anything on the market right now I'd rather own. I enjoy the tight handling and 0-60 time of the A6 without the service issues, the sound system of the SC430 without the sloppy handling, and the knowledge that I'm only $35k out-of-pocket. I'm just sorry that there are owners who are having problems and haven't been able to enjoy this car to the fullest. I hope they get them resolved. This is an outstanding automobile.

 

The Sales guys are usually clueless, unless they are really following up. I cc: ed my sales guy on the letter I wrote to Acura and the Service Manager, when I stopped by he was shocked and didn;t realize others might be having same issue, I told him to read the forums.

 

I shouldn't have to pick and choose what issues I'd rather put up with. Fact of the matter is, this car isn't basic transportation so shouldn't have rattle/squeak/electrical/mechanical/insert issue here problems. As for choosing personality types, that's what dating was for, if I didn't like her I dropped her, hopfully without spending over 30,000 on her like I did my car that shouldn't rattle/squeak or have mechanical issues. :shit:

 

The more I drive my TL the more I love it. The ride, the sound system, the navigation system and the overall quality make it a pleasure to drive. The only car we're thinking about trading in is my wife's BMW.

 

Doesn't Illinois have lemon laws? With as many issues as Norse has had, Florida would have hooked you up under the Lemon Law by now... either a refund or new TL

 

yeah I intend to trade mine in in 2-3 years for a lexus ls 430. no complaints at all about mine but then I am not a whiner. no rattles or squeaks and got michelin pilot sports at purchase. the way some of these people fuck their cars up with too large rims and silly mods you would expect that they would have 'issues' but the unfortunate person who buys their trade in will be the one with legitimate complaints.

 

This is a very interesting comment. I wonder exactly how much of a hit a person would take right now selling a TL with a few months and few thousand miles. If in fact the resale market is decent, then perhaps those who are really dissatisfied with the car should put their money where their mouths are.