t0talacuratl

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Has anyone seen this article? This makes me even more satisfied with my TL.

http://www.epinions.com/content_278522793604

ggesq

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If the S was available in 05, I would have bought it.

Most of that article was spot on but there were a couple of discrepancies. Nice find.

dr_brains510

ya i've read this article before. honestly, I love the new Type S from its looks to performance. The price I think is good for the car. When I was shopping for a new car it was b/w the Type S, IS 350 and 335i. The Type S was $36000 fully loaded (this was february 2007) the IS350 was $48000 almost $50000 fully loaded and the 335i was almost the same as the IS. The base 335i was like $43000. Sure the other two are RWD but for the price I'd say the Acura was much more accommodating for me. Performance wise, I think they should've made it RWD w/ a bit more hp. I think that is the only flaw on this car.

VQPower37

i dunno ... i still think tl type s > tl - p ... i test drove both myself, i could def feel a difference

vinnier6

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there is really no comparison, the bigger motor is just that much more powerful...not to mention the other stuff like the noise cancelling system and paddle shifters and prologic shifting auto transmission that automaticly blips the throttle to match revs...all in all you have a great car, but when you drive them both back to back there is a big difference...

i would be happy with your 06 for sure, its a sweet car....

dr_brains510

^ +1

Elegant TYPE S

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What's the difference in HP?

ballinfizzle89

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258 Base
286 Type S

S PAW 1

I traded my '05 6MT for an '07 TL-S A/T, and I can tell you there is no comparison!
The suspension is much more refined and composed. It doesn't handle quite as well at low speeds, but at 7/10's and beyond, it handles better. Ride is quieter, much better tuned for cruising. The red gauges are OUTSTANDING! From a technical standpoint, it should have the best transmission to come from Acura in eight years (on paper for the TL series, anyway). Seats are fantastic...better material than my '05 for sure. My only negative would be a loss of about 3mpg.
I do miss the 6MT and the LSD sometimes, but most of the time I don't

juruki

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What made you decide to go back to AT?

S PAW 1

Two reasons:
a)developed some arthritis in my left knee. The pain went away 100% when I went to the A/T.
b) I began to think about resale value. IMO, the 6MT won't even be available in the next couple of years. Too many advanced transmissions are coming into play. Clutchless, semi-auto, infinite variable ratio. All are easier to use, and the 6MT will become obsolete.

coo1est

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I actually traded in my 2006 AT TL for my CBP 07 type S AT. To me there is a big difference in both, performance and look. The few changes here and there on the car actually add more interest to it. I have a lot more fun in the Type S, the seats, the exhaust, the 3.5L and the upgraded navigation, plus the paddle shifters. Just my two cents...

Bearcat94

I think you guys with the 6MT TL have a great car, that's fun to drive.

But the TL-S with a 6MT just *has* to be the better performer. Nearly 30 more HP, improved Exhaust, firmer suspension, etc.

A 6MT with some bolt on's is probably pretty similar. But stock-to-stock and MT-to-MT, you pay a little more, you get a little more.

BEAR-AvHistory

Has anyone ever supported the big difference in the performance increase of the"Big 3.5" over the little 3.2 liter motor with some time slips?

BTW the engine on my lawn tractor is 627cc or over twice the size if the "S" increase.

Kennedy

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Perfectly happy with my little 3.2L 6MT with bolt-ons. I couldn't feel a difference in the S, nor could I see $5-6K loss in trading in for a near equivalent car.

For every guy that chimes in here about how much different the two cars are, justifying thier trade-in, there are 10 guys with my same sentiment as mine.

BEAR-AvHistory

Agree, its the placebo effect of the $4000 to 5000 price spread that most guys 'feel', not the actual performance.

Like the man said it costs more so it *has* to be better.

t0talacuratl

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Amen! I'm very happy with my car! Eventhough I had some mods done, I still wouldn't trade it for a Type-S. I think the only thing unique from my car and the S's is the DGP. Eventhough it's not a popular color, I love it!

Bearcat94

I kinda said that. But don't get me wrong. The TL-S is an incremental improvement, not a game changer.

I am sure there are articles/evaluations out there that show the TL-S STOCK has incremental performance gains (0-60 times, slalom time/speed, etc) over the 2006 6MT STOCK.

Like Kennedy, a 3.2 with some bolt on's puts you right where the TL-S starts out. Consider the Pro-Cats, Exhaust upgrades, etc and the "net" cost is about the same.

IOW - at the end of the day the cost/performance ratio is pretty close whichever car you're running.


BTW - I thought the MSRP diff on, say, a 2006 6MT w/Navi and a 2007 6MT TL-S was about $3,000, not $4,000 - $5,000.

shooter

+1 ...

I guess the writer's price tag for type-s is a bit high according to the real prices we all paid ... and his conclusion of not worthy the extra is largely based on his close-to-40k assumptions ... I don't blame him since I was thinking about MSRP cuz that's all the magzines were saying about 07 type-s before it came out ...

vinnier6

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i only paid 33k for my brand new 07 type s auto...so i am feeling pretty good about the whole price difference vrs performance argument...

i dont know who started the "little" vrs big engine thing...i know i stated originally that the type s has the bigger motor, and it does, but the 3.2 isnt small...

bottom line for me was just the plain ole fact that i see a tl everywhere i look, but its very rare that i see a type s comming the other way or bump into one at the mall parking lot...i like that, and the kpb is very rare in my eyes....

BEAR-AvHistory

The big/small was a joke since i don't think of 18 cubic inches as any big thing.

Made the price estimate from the "what did you pay" thread.

There are a few $33,000's in the "what did you pay" thread but they did not say drive away. That being said most are in the $34-35K range. That is now...when the S first came out is was selling at a premium. I had a drive away price tax, tags, docs of $30,250 brand new at the end of 06.

I was going to buy an 07 but got the 06 because I wanted a 6speed & the 07 was moving to only the S having a 6speed. For me the TL is a filler for when I need a 4 door car & I thought the S was not worth the difference.

They are cheaper now because the market has moved on into the 300HP RWD area and they are not selling well. A lot of potential buyers are sitting on the fence waiting for the model change so the market is pulling all the prices down.

As for rarity, the type S is very common here (a 6spd would be rare) & to be honest I don't think someone not looking specifically for a S type - acurazine type person - could tell the difference between the two models from 30 feet away. Personally I don't like the S wheels & think the 4 stack exhaust is over done for the kind of car it is.

The pipes are about the same size as those on a 500hp Vette & way bigger then the 4 pipes on the M3 414HP V8.

It still would be interested in seeing some times slips from an S type to see what the 18 cubic inches is actually worth.

ABP_04TL

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all i kno is that i got my 04 TL 6Spd and went at it wit my boy Dee 07 TL-S and i was right on him like if i had a Type S

aznbenz07

I love my 05 6spd, and thought about a tl-s but honestly price wise if I were to trade up I'd go with the 335xi coupe. I'd just save up my dough, cause performance wise the tL vs the tl-s is supposed to be like comparing a 3 series to an m3 and the power difference isn't vast enough for me, you know? a 330ci can't keep up with an m3 but a TL can keep up with a TL-s, it's the truth. So Imo the s should have at least 300hp for closer to 40 brand new.

t0talacuratl

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You're right! That is the key for me. The Type-S doesn't have that much extra power than the base TL. It may look like it on paper, but not enough for me to what to invest in it. Sure it may look alittle cooler , but I love the looks of my baby just the same.

vinnier6

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as for the power difference, let me know when you drive them back to back...as i did...i took my car in for service and they gave me a tl and while i was driving that car around i thought to myself, this is pretty much the same car....then i get my car back and the difference is night and day...power and the way the car rides is totally different...

Crysophylos

Yeah, but take those bolt on's and put'em in the 3.5 motor and I'm pretty sure you'll see a difference! There's no replacement for displacement. OK well, maybe if you supercharge

Kennedy

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Not the point.
Trade in the TL for G37 and you'll really see the difference.

Rather than trade in my 2006 and incur $2-3K depreciation, and buy a new TL-S which costs $2-3K MORE than a TL, I invested about $2K in bolt ons, and saved $4K to get the same output.

Second, the performance gains for the same bolts isn't as great for the TL-S. The pro-cats are the big gainer in the 3.2 (+20HP). 3.5L comes with free flowing cats and exhaust stock. Investing in those will not yield the same gains as the 3.2... Not only that, another $2K on top of the price of a new TL-S only futher erodes the "value" of the TL. That's near $40K... and with $40K, you can have a much nicer car than the TL-S, even with bolt ons.

Supercharger's in the garage, I'm having the manifolds polished as we speak BTW... SC 06 > any TL-S with bolt ons.

If I was shopping for a "new car" right now, I would certainly go with a late 2007 TL-S though. I've seen those go for $32K + TTL - which is only about $2K more than I paid for my 2006.

Crysophylos

You're missing my point. Stock 3.2 vs. stock 3.5 = noticeable difference, at least for me. Compare a modded 3.2 to a stock 3.5, well that just get's a bit gray. Mod both with the same componets and my money is on the 3.5, why? It can pump more air.

As far as 3.2 being a better gainer with mods compared to the 3.5, well the 3.2's been out longer in the TL = more mods specifically tuned for that setup. I mean, how many modded RL's are out there? I'm sure some exists.

As far your soon-to-be SC vs. TL-s, well that's just apples to oranges. None the less, post some pics when done

You do make valid points, but all I am saying is that bigger is better. BTW, I got my TL-S for $34K. No way in hell I'd pay any where near sticker for it

Kennedy

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Never denied bigger is better. I'm arguing .3L/28HP is not worth $6-7K in total cost (for trade in/purchase).

As far as mods... You are aware the engine is virtually identical?... Same block, lightweight cams, slightly bored sleeves, and free flowing exhaust/intake is how Acura got 28 HP. ALL my bolt ons will fit a TL-S (pro-cats, manifold spacers, intake, exhaust and underdrive pulley), and none are "tuned" for the application. The point is that the 3.2 will likely produce more gains with the same mods, because Acura took the same approach in getting more HP out of the TL-S... Thus those "aspiration" mods are already done in stock form.

t0talacuratl

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Well all I know is in my situation, I bought my car used with 29k(already broken in). Cost me $23.8k before interest of course. My mods are worth $3k(do the math). My car dynos at 248whp/225wtq. That is about the average I've heard a stock TL-S dyno if not worse. So I think I made out pretty good for not having to pay for a bigger engine.

dr_brains510

I agree.....i mean you can mod any car and make it faster but stock vs. stock the STOCK TLS >> STOCK TL. From performance to looks....maybe some ppl can't afford the extra $3000-$4000 or they just don't think its worth it for just twenty some more hp but the overall car is much nicer. of course that's my opinion.

godizus

I think to justify a TL-S you have to consider more than horsepower alone. To be honest, the horsepower argument might even be skewed a bit because no one is considering the higher curb weight of the TL-S. That said, some people see value in the the other differences between the TL and TL-S (cosmetic, bells and whistles...). Just my

vinnier6

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its all good either way...

blazinginder

THere's NO question that a new TL-S is 100% worth the extra money over a new TL w/navi. You get all the upgrades for a low cost.

Now comparing a New TL-S vs used TL is different because many will just get an 06 for 6-8k less then an 08...at the end of the day a TL-S is better and worthy of the premium

Bearcat94

What're you doing, trying to start a riot?


LOL.

t0talacuratl

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Yep, I think he is.

blazinginder

Haha...just stating my opinion on the whole "issue"

I think my mentality/view could be different had I purchased a regular TL instead of the TL-S/before the TL-S was out...has a lot to do with psychology IMO ...

ABP_04TL

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dont get me wrong the TL-S looks hott we all could get that look just swappin parts and stuff, but IMO next car i would get would b 335xi but if i go on luxury lexus LS or GS

phambam

Everyone knows, the Type-S is more sexy. Sure it's an additional 2k or so, but it's justifiable for certain folks and for others it's not. Although the only thing I hate is the damn honeycombs, but other than that I love my car.

So why don't we all hug and call it a day.

blazinginder

335xi...like it a lot, 2 of friends just bought almost identical 335xi coupe's (black/red and black/black) , but the sedan isn't worth it IMO, doesn't look worthy and is small for a 4 door, 50k sedan (loaded)

LS...hands down the best quality and most reliable luxury car for the money...if only they offered AWD on the 460 otherwise there's alway the A8's quattro

GS: the 350 AWD is great for the money and would be my choice over the 335xi sedan