ALL YOU GUYS ARE NUTS!!!!!!

Here is my take on the whole thing... Compare what you get in the TL and price out the BMW and BENZ and you will end up with a 45 to 50 thousand dollar car by the time you get done. I am talking if you get a high performance engine and all the extras that we have in the TL.. So stop complaining and enjoy the dam car... OK I have a friend that has an S class brand new and another friend that has the 100 thousand dollar BENZ truck also brand new and they are both have electrical problems and other issues.. So just stop it!

 

No one said TL is a bad car, or else there would not be such a forum, the point is, this is a excellent car, gr8 value for money, smart brains, but its not perfect, and there are a few changes which can be made for it to be one of the best ever, so whats the problem in expressing our desire for a few changes to be made. Just chill out buddy.

 

Agree With 3,4,5,6,7

 

u need to calm down.

 

There are better cars out there. Besides reliability, an equilly equipped beamer is better. HOWEVER, the TLs bang for buck Cannot be beat(if the avalon had lexus badging maybe, but to me its just a toyota, cheap stuff).

 

2 8 4

 

I believe changes to the current TL will be minor ones.

1. All Auto Windows (can be easily done since the RL has it and they are both the same car underneath the skin).

2. Updated Navi system with the resturant guide and graphics (RL and MDX).

3. One or two new colors to replace the slower selling ones.

4. New 17" wheel design.

5. Maybe a revised front bumper cover and some how a change in tails light design (I'm reaching on the tail light issue).

6. Maybe an extra 10hp


Honda does have a history of not doing too much to a model that is selling as well as the current TL but when sales are off then it is a different story ie current Accord and last gen RL.

 

In this stage of the TL you will most likely see the following:
1. Minor tailight change (adding amber turn signal)
2. Increase of 5 hp
3. 1 or 2 New exterior colors
4. Maybe a new wheel design
5. Slight refresh of grill
6. A few things handed down from the RL (nothing major)

 

frasnkly i don't expect any more either, i think the major changes will be in 08-09

 

I wouldn't be surprised if they made the changes to the tailights. In the past they have done this with the accord and the civic.

 

Turn signals in the mirrors.

 

agree

 

I wonder if acura will come out with another TL-S, or something like it, but I think they would wait a few years, like the did with the 2nd Gen.

 

they better do and do it soon, a-spec won't cut it, but if they bump HP anyfuther they ought to move to either RWD or AWD.

 

few days ago that AWD is coming, is that something you know for sure or is that a guess??.

 

by the wat rattling has been a old Acura problem, lot od 02-04 tls have had it, its just stupid on their part to be not able to get rid of this irritating problem

 

Unless Acura redesigns the headlights, I doubt this will happen. You can already see the front blinker when viewing the TL from the side. The TSX's front blinker cannot be seen from the side or the car which is why they have the one's on the mirrors.

Of course, this is just my speculation anyway.

 

nice thought.

 

well I have freinds at Pohanka Acura in VA (i worked there before) worlds largest acura dealer, they tell me no mjor changes are expected in 06, though no one knows for sure what minor changes are being done.

 

If sales keep up the way they are, there are no reasons for major changes.

 

Quote: the major changes will be in the 08-09. Actually, the 09 will likely be a completly different car, the 4th gen TL if they keep that name.

I am pretty sure rattles are fixed progressivly. IE, if they find a major rattle source they will make a quick adjustment to the assembly line, hopefully most of the rattles will be solved for our late model 05.

 

sincerely hope thats true, and they fix all the rattles soon, by the way anyone has numbers of Tl sales past year, and of the new 3 series.

 

AWD would be nice, but I would be mad if they did because I already bought mine! Other things that would be good are

1. backup camera
2. rear seats that fold down. (eventhough I rarely would need that)
3. Intergrated traffic reports in Navi like the RL.
4. eletronic tilt/telescoping wheel, like my 04 Maxima had.
5. electronic folding side mirrors like my 04 Maxima had.

 

don,t worry AWD won't be there till 09, which one did u buy though, any pics??.

 

The TL has around 7k per month while the old 3 series has around 9k per month on average. The TL has never outsold the 3 serieis in aggregate.

 

05 TL Navi. 6-speed.

Pics Here

 

Folding rear seats would worsen structural rigidity. I would never put anything in the TL that would only fit through folding rear seats. We also have a minivan(the latest is it will be traded for Magnum but more likely B9 Tribeca next summer). Nav traffic would definatly be nice, but I don't expect it because that is one of the big things the RL has going for it. The electronic wheel i would say would definatly be a possibility, but I doubt it will be seen.

 

I agree with you concerning the folding rear seats. BMW and M-B offer them as an option and it would be interesting to find out what the sales figures are for them. Does Lexus even offer folding rear seats on the ES and GS?

Nav Traffic is iffy at best. I see the updated graphics similar to the RL and MDX. The power tilt/telescoping steering wheel however will not hurt RL sales the way SH-AWD would. Keyless Access would be nice but that too may hurt the RL. I guess it all boils down to marketing.

 

Thanks much for the numbers.

 

i was not aware that folding rear seats were a threat to the structural integrity?? could you explain that more plz.

 

I wouldn't be too worried about that comment. In the TL, a solid metal panel behind the rear seatback provides structural rigidity. When "fold-down" rear seats are employed, this panel is replaced with an appropriatly reinforced panel that has an opening through to the trunk area. Because of the extra reinforcment, the panel with the opening is usually heavier than the solid panel, but both would have about the same rigidity.

 

thanks for the info bud.

 

There is some buzz on this site that the A-spec kit has been discontinued by Acura, and this is supposedly in anticipation of 06 body changes. I don't how how credible this info is, but if its true then there might be a few cosmetic grill changes in 06, any credible news out there??.

 

I just wanted to know how do u paste the images in the post. thanks

 

SHAWD would be the end of many other cars. The TL would reign supreme

 

The SH-AWD should be an option along with a super charger, bringing the power to about 350. If the TL had all the mentioned stuff here it would be an underpowered, smaller, RL without the suncreen and flip down headrests.

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Florida Laws:
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(1) Front clearance lamps, identification lamps, and those marker lamps and reflectors mounted on the front or on the side near the front of a vehicle shall display or reflect an amber color.

(2) Rear clearance lamps, identification lamps, and those marker lamps and reflectors mounted on the rear or on the sides near the rear of a vehicle shall display or reflect a red color.

Turning Lamps:
The lamps showing to the front shall be mounted on the same level and as widely spaced laterally as practicable and, when signaling, shall emit white or amber light.
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reading this, it looks like lights in the front serving the purpose of 'marker' lights have to be amber, but the lights used for turn signals can be white... The lights are allowed to be integrated into the same bulb, which means in this case it would have to be amber.

I beelive there are also reflector laws, that say reflectors are required that reflect certain colors at certain points of the car.... but i cant find those requirements at the moment...

most cops are not too strict on not having any amber lights at all in the front, at least that has been my expirience as I do not have anything amber, neither reflector nor bulb, on the front of my Maxima.

But in the end, maybe amber reflectors are not required in the front, and if amber is required, then with LEDs, they can still have some marker lights that illuminate amber, but are clear during the day.

 

that move is inevitable, its a matter of when rather than if, it should show up in tl,tsx and mdx, adding a 350HP hybrid for RL was in talks 2yrs ago, but it went cold i guess, but AWD will happen to all the Acura models sooner rather than later, AWD for TL may be in 08-09. In 06 there might be a front grill change along with minor touch ups.