Blew my engine :(
04-16-2008, 07:45 PM
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Exactly^^^^ (except for the "in 4th statement) :-)
^^^Also true
(Disclaimer: Transmission, the below is not a continuation or focus on quoting you above. Rather just optimizing my single post to this thread)
You can easily comprehend from his post that he knows he messed up yet was just throwing a feeler out to AZ as whether or not Acura "might" cover this type of an issue (or void the warranty etc.). He probably has never dealt with a car/warranty issue.
Bottom line, it's one thing to think due to your supposed older age that you have a duty to mentor this individual, yet another when you feel you must judge him for something all of us have done at one time or another. I'm not talking grabbing the wrong gear either - rather just plain having fun in your car. And for those that may take my remarks to far, NO - I am not condoning his actions, just not judging him for them.
I too agree that this will most likely turn into an expensive learning experience. I know from "experience" that's the way I learned many an important lesson...
Cheers all!
Originally Posted by trancemission
He really only asked, it wasnt like he was trying to figure out a way to slip it past them.
Im anxious to see what Acura does here.
Im anxious to see what Acura does here.
(Disclaimer: Transmission, the below is not a continuation or focus on quoting you above. Rather just optimizing my single post to this thread)
You can easily comprehend from his post that he knows he messed up yet was just throwing a feeler out to AZ as whether or not Acura "might" cover this type of an issue (or void the warranty etc.). He probably has never dealt with a car/warranty issue.
Bottom line, it's one thing to think due to your supposed older age that you have a duty to mentor this individual, yet another when you feel you must judge him for something all of us have done at one time or another. I'm not talking grabbing the wrong gear either - rather just plain having fun in your car. And for those that may take my remarks to far, NO - I am not condoning his actions, just not judging him for them.
I too agree that this will most likely turn into an expensive learning experience. I know from "experience" that's the way I learned many an important lesson...
Cheers all!
04-16-2008, 07:46 PM
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Originally Posted by phee
for those who asked, the kid stated that he was trying to downshift to fourth...which means he was either in 5th or 4th. its in the first post. i really think he just wanted support from his acurazine pals and we showed him the absolute opposite
Huh? Where in his post is the word "downshift"?
04-16-2008, 08:16 PM
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Originally Posted by nfnsquared
Huh? Where in his post is the word "downshift"?
04-16-2008, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by justinl401
ok, I get the point .. thanks guys
dont worry Justin. it may not look like it but we all really love each other here...... :gheyhug:
04-16-2008, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by AcuraTL_driver
Even us noobers? Wow...I feel all warm and fuzzy inside...wait....might be the beer coming back up....
we love noobs the most. Its always good to have some fresh meat around
We're here to help. Unless you dont search, that makes us MOD GODS angry
sorry to whore up your thread Justin, just tryin to lighten things up....
04-16-2008, 08:32 PM
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If you are not paying attention, red lining third, and go to slam fourth like there is no tomorrow, it is not very hard to slam it into second or any other gear for that matter if you have the clutch to the floor and you do it hard and fast enough. If you are doing that though you are going to lose your syncros quick. Shift a little slower. Your trans will last much longer. There really is no reason to be shifting that quick. I drive hard and shift slow.
04-16-2008, 08:38 PM
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He definately said he was cruising at 80, went to shift into 4th...and hit second....i was tipsy when i went from the top of 3rd into 2nd....luckily i realized it just as the motor was screaming at 8kRpm....hahaha...anyways...if you can clear your check engine light...cause you probably have one from that...you should be in the safe....if not...you can codes any where from Random Mis-Fire...or mis-fire 1-6.....and definately an Engine Over rev code....i had that one stored too.....but i didn't blow my motor...
Good luck though...if anything the dealer can Good Will it...and you can pay for labor...
Good luck though...if anything the dealer can Good Will it...and you can pay for labor...
04-16-2008, 08:48 PM
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Back to the insurance option- car insurance covers the strangest things and there be engine damage or failure provision. If you pay for something you should use it when needed.
We pay homeowners insurance for years and years with no need for service back from it.
Until January and the big storm - when a 50 foot tree came flying across from another yard and landed on my roof- that was not cheap to have removed and the repars to the house done. Insurance covered it all- act of God is what they called it- no ones fault
For the OP- hopefully what really happened was the clutch disc was already hot from a night of fun, and the downshift exploded it, and the pressure plate threw a finger which jammed the transmission- not the motor- I have seen that happen before
That would easy to fix in comparison to the possible motor parts damaged
We all really want to know what acura says,
and everyone who lectures-- sees themself at a young age and how many times they could have been in the same situation.
We pay homeowners insurance for years and years with no need for service back from it.
Until January and the big storm - when a 50 foot tree came flying across from another yard and landed on my roof- that was not cheap to have removed and the repars to the house done. Insurance covered it all- act of God is what they called it- no ones fault
For the OP- hopefully what really happened was the clutch disc was already hot from a night of fun, and the downshift exploded it, and the pressure plate threw a finger which jammed the transmission- not the motor- I have seen that happen before
That would easy to fix in comparison to the possible motor parts damaged
We all really want to know what acura says,
and everyone who lectures-- sees themself at a young age and how many times they could have been in the same situation.
04-16-2008, 09:05 PM
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Originally Posted by phee
for those who asked, the kid stated that he was trying to downshift to fourth...which means he was either in 5th or 6th 
. its in the first post. i really think he just wanted support from his acurazine pals and we showed him the absolute opposite
. its in the first post. i really think he just wanted support from his acurazine pals and we showed him the absolute opposite
04-16-2008, 09:19 PM
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The Sport Shift on the 5AT is pretty well "idiot proof".
(No, I didn't just call the OP or anyone else an "idiot". "Idiot Proof" is an accepted concept in Engineering/Product Design, etc meaning virtually no one is dumb enough to screw it up.
:wink: )
(No, I didn't just call the OP or anyone else an "idiot". "Idiot Proof" is an accepted concept in Engineering/Product Design, etc meaning virtually no one is dumb enough to screw it up.
:wink: )
04-16-2008, 09:35 PM
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Originally Posted by 01tl4tl
hmmm thats an intersting slant- the insurance on the car may cover it... certainly worth asking about!
yes- OP sounds young -speeding at 80- and pulls the shifter sideways instead of down..someone needs driving school/track day before unleashed in the TL again
Was alcohol involved at all?
yes- OP sounds young -speeding at 80- and pulls the shifter sideways instead of down..someone needs driving school/track day before unleashed in the TL again
Was alcohol involved at all?
04-16-2008, 09:43 PM
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Sorry to heard the misfortune.
I guess the lesson of the thread is that shifting to 2nd at 80 may cost you some big $$$. Personally, after driving a lot of manual trans cars (except current TL), I have got to say that it is so darn hard to 'accidentally' shift to 2nd instead of 4th.
Goodluck.
I guess the lesson of the thread is that shifting to 2nd at 80 may cost you some big $$$. Personally, after driving a lot of manual trans cars (except current TL), I have got to say that it is so darn hard to 'accidentally' shift to 2nd instead of 4th.
Goodluck.
04-16-2008, 10:08 PM
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i remember i accidentally shifted into first instead of third gear, but that was when i was still learning how to drive (about 4 years ago). and i reacted quick by slowing down and shifting it into neutral. lol i got nervous since i was still learning how to drive manual cars. luckily it was a shitty car. if my TL-S was manual, i would probably be watching the gearbox everytime i wanted to shift for accuracy. lol jokin. but i learned that if you use your fingertips instead of your entire hand, its much easier to accurately shift into the desired gear. im saying thats a good technique for beginners or whoever deems it fit. good luck with your car.
04-16-2008, 10:29 PM
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Originally Posted by sixsixfour
the rev limiter is nothing but software. if the engine physically revs to 10,000 rpm there is nothing a bunch of zeros and ones can do to help.
Unless their is a $ in front of those 1's and a bunch of zeros....
04-16-2008, 11:13 PM
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meh, that sucks. I drag race an mt, plus my TL is an 6MT, i have a CDL so im usually driving somthing that has 8-18 speeds on it, so ive been driving/can drive just about anything, and ive missed gears, its easy to do esp on somthing that has a nice tranny like the TL and most honda/acura products, itll just slip right into gear even if its way off. I did that one time when i was about 17, i was raping my buddys integra, i was redlined but below the limiter, and slammed it into second (no grinding) get to redline and im gonna slam it into 3rd... well, it went right back into 1st instead... We saw about 9600rpm before i realized what i did lol. And yes, the engine held together (thank god for B18's haha)
04-16-2008, 11:31 PM
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How did you get it into second????
The syncros should have been screaming to you that you were putting it in the wrong gear even before you let out the clutch... you must have forced it hard to get it there...
But like others have said... your fault, should be your cost...
The syncros should have been screaming to you that you were putting it in the wrong gear even before you let out the clutch... you must have forced it hard to get it there...
But like others have said... your fault, should be your cost...
04-17-2008, 08:55 AM
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Originally Posted by DaveS221
man just because he messed up ONCE for all you kno doesn't automatically make him an ignorant teenage driver! even tho he may be, thats not the point. There are thousands of guys who have done this before in their cars (who are not teenagers)! There are almost millions of people who go out and cruise around with their friends at nite! Most being adults! So why does that automatically make him a teenager? And besides, not all of us are bad drivers. As for the alcohol... if there was sum then jus ignore this whole thing.
04-17-2008, 09:21 AM
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Hope we didn't lose Justin because of all this discussion (and some light flaming). He responded early on to the discussion but has not jumped in lately. Hey Justin, we still love ya man; we have all been there before and are just trying to help out.
04-17-2008, 10:36 AM
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just hope nobody @ that dealer is on acurazine! use your insurance!
04-17-2008, 11:33 AM
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I'm a little confuzzled to why or how that happened.. I thought that is a way to do 'highway pulls' such as going fifth to third.
I know I've went sixth or fifth [about 2.5k rpms] to 3rd [which is about around 4-5k rpms]... gives me this big jolt and the car just launches--then I take it easy-ish. Nothing has happened-----yet. And I know of other people/cars who shift into a lower gear at high speeds while on the highway. So I'm somewhat skeptical on the engine shutting down after misshifting into 2nd--unless you RPMs were already that high before you shifted into 2nd.
I know I've went sixth or fifth [about 2.5k rpms] to 3rd [which is about around 4-5k rpms]... gives me this big jolt and the car just launches--then I take it easy-ish. Nothing has happened-----yet. And I know of other people/cars who shift into a lower gear at high speeds while on the highway. So I'm somewhat skeptical on the engine shutting down after misshifting into 2nd--unless you RPMs were already that high before you shifted into 2nd.
04-17-2008, 12:08 PM
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Originally Posted by o4Komodo
I'm a little confuzzled to why or how that happened.. I thought that is a way to do 'highway pulls' such as going fifth to third.
I know I've went sixth or fifth [about 2.5k rpms] to 3rd [which is about around 4-5k rpms]... gives me this big jolt and the car just launches--then I take it easy-ish. Nothing has happened-----yet. And I know of other people/cars who shift into a lower gear at high speeds while on the highway. So I'm somewhat skeptical on the engine shutting down after misshifting into 2nd--unless you RPMs were already that high before you shifted into 2nd.
I know I've went sixth or fifth [about 2.5k rpms] to 3rd [which is about around 4-5k rpms]... gives me this big jolt and the car just launches--then I take it easy-ish. Nothing has happened-----yet. And I know of other people/cars who shift into a lower gear at high speeds while on the highway. So I'm somewhat skeptical on the engine shutting down after misshifting into 2nd--unless you RPMs were already that high before you shifted into 2nd.
That's not what happened to the OP.
Originally Posted by justinl401
.... I was going about 80 mph and I went to shift to fourth and I accidently shifted to second ....
....He wanted to shift to 4th. Accidently shifted to second.
That means he was, almost certainly, in 3rd or 5th. Based on the Over-Rev and "play time" mode, it only makes sense that he was in 3rd.
3rd gear at 80 MPH has to be up around 6,000 rpm.
So grabbing 2nd by accident is going to over-rev to .... what? .... 8,000+ rpm? Definetly NOT good.
Hopefully Acura will cut him some slack on the repair costs.
Note: The engine can be damaged if
you inadvertently downshift into the
wrong gear (for example, going from
third gear at high rpms to second gear
instead of upshifting to fourth gear; the
engine speed limiter will not work in this
situation).
you inadvertently downshift into the
wrong gear (for example, going from
third gear at high rpms to second gear
instead of upshifting to fourth gear; the
engine speed limiter will not work in this
situation).
04-17-2008, 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by MichaelBenz
Depends on the dealer....but I would say they wont cover it given the event history in the computer. Maybe under good will, but I doubt it unless you are over 35 or so.
Put it this way...my buddy just bought a new EVO X and the gas pedal broke off while he was racing at a local dragway on Tuesday nite drags....they saw him out there and voided his warrantee on the GAS PEDAL when he tried to get it fixed the following day.
Put it this way...my buddy just bought a new EVO X and the gas pedal broke off while he was racing at a local dragway on Tuesday nite drags....they saw him out there and voided his warrantee on the GAS PEDAL when he tried to get it fixed the following day.
OP- sorry to hear this. Most MT drivers have missed a gear, but over time you learn to feel what gear you are going in and you don't release the clutch. With the close ratio of the shifter on the TL, it makes it easy to "slip" into the wrong gear. And with a high compression engine, it is not going to be forgiving.
G/L
04-17-2008, 02:33 PM
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If the car ever comes home!
The excitement is in the waiting to learn what actually broke, and if its an easy fix!
Maybe something headed for recall notice???, or just the already notorious 3rd gear issue on the 6MT trans in full demonstration of failure mode
What is it with the TL and not liking its 3rd gear.... auto or manual ~
The excitement is in the waiting to learn what actually broke, and if its an easy fix!
Maybe something headed for recall notice???, or just the already notorious 3rd gear issue on the 6MT trans in full demonstration of failure mode
What is it with the TL and not liking its 3rd gear.... auto or manual ~
04-17-2008, 02:52 PM
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is the manual gearbox on the 3G TL that small though? when i missed a shift, (while learning to drive) the gearbox was extremely small. i was learning on like a 1993 hyundai.
04-17-2008, 03:10 PM
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I don't think OP doesn't even want to come back here after all that flames.
If he's high teen or early in 20s.. Loss of $30k+ car can be very serious heart break issue.. Unless he's filthy rich. ( well, I wouldnt buy TL if I was filthy rich but well..LOL )
If he's high teen or early in 20s.. Loss of $30k+ car can be very serious heart break issue.. Unless he's filthy rich. ( well, I wouldnt buy TL if I was filthy rich but well..LOL )
04-17-2008, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by paliknight
is the manual gearbox on the 3G TL that small though? when i missed a shift, (while learning to drive) the gearbox was extremely small. i was learning on like a 1993 hyundai.
04-19-2008, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Bearcat94
A downshift to pass or accelerate or whatever is normally not a problem; it doesn't put you into an over-rev condition.
That's not what happened to the OP.
OK, he was doing 80.
He wanted to shift to 4th. Accidently shifted to second.
That means he was, almost certainly, in 3rd or 5th. Based on the Over-Rev and "play time" mode, it only makes sense that he was in 3rd.
3rd gear at 80 MPH has to be up around 6,000 rpm.
So grabbing 2nd by accident is going to over-rev to .... what? .... 8,000+ rpm? Definetly NOT good.
Hopefully Acura will cut him some slack on the repair costs.
That's not what happened to the OP.
OK, he was doing 80.
He wanted to shift to 4th. Accidently shifted to second.
That means he was, almost certainly, in 3rd or 5th. Based on the Over-Rev and "play time" mode, it only makes sense that he was in 3rd.
3rd gear at 80 MPH has to be up around 6,000 rpm.
So grabbing 2nd by accident is going to over-rev to .... what? .... 8,000+ rpm? Definetly NOT good.
Hopefully Acura will cut him some slack on the repair costs.
04-20-2008, 12:18 AM
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More logical? Yeah, probably.
More "fun" or more "cool"? Eh, probably not.
They were fooling around and the OP "shot himself in the foot." I seriously doubt he drove it like that everytime he ran it up to freeway speeds.
OTOH - every now-and-then, I'll approach redline 1st --> 2nd --> 3rd before easing off and going to 4th or 5th. But then again, I've got the 5AT, so no danger mis-shifting.
More "fun" or more "cool"? Eh, probably not.
They were fooling around and the OP "shot himself in the foot." I seriously doubt he drove it like that everytime he ran it up to freeway speeds.
OTOH - every now-and-then, I'll approach redline 1st --> 2nd --> 3rd before easing off and going to 4th or 5th. But then again, I've got the 5AT, so no danger mis-shifting.
04-20-2008, 12:41 AM
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idk why everyone says "why should acura have to pay"
WHO CARES.. hell, i would go down there flipping out saying, YOU BETTER REPLACE IT.. come on people, if it happened to you, you wouldnt be sitting on this forum wanting to hear, "its not right that acura pays, theyre not liable" theyre easily a multi-billion dollar car company..
WHO CARES.. hell, i would go down there flipping out saying, YOU BETTER REPLACE IT.. come on people, if it happened to you, you wouldnt be sitting on this forum wanting to hear, "its not right that acura pays, theyre not liable" theyre easily a multi-billion dollar car company..