a bit of a disappointment in my TL :(
09-02-2009, 11:56 PM
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a bit of a disappointment in my TL :(
well as much as i love my TL, i ran it today against a 05? 06? Accord Coupe V6 and got pull on right off the line all the way to the end. I am bone stock as of now and have an auto. The accord is also a auto. the accord has intake and exhuast, and is running on TL rims. only mods it has i believe. I know the accord coupe is lighter too but i expected much more of the TL. The accord and the TL have similar motors, will a exhaust and intake do alot in boosting its performance?
I ran about even with a older 98 Accord V6 sedan
Anyhow, I just got my car not too long ago. idkk.. is there something wrong with my car? or is this the daring truth about the TL's performance.. btw... i hate the TL's 4th gear.
[Disclaimer: I do not endorse street racing in any way.]
I ran about even with a older 98 Accord V6 sedan
Anyhow, I just got my car not too long ago. idkk.. is there something wrong with my car? or is this the daring truth about the TL's performance.. btw... i hate the TL's 4th gear.
[Disclaimer: I do not endorse street racing in any way.]
09-03-2009, 12:15 AM
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thats obvious you wouldn't win... the av6 has full topend mods... so you'd get beat by atleast a car... if it were stock for stock you'd have half a car length
ps. the tl is just a hilux version of the accord... so you can't expect to flat out win
ps. the tl is just a hilux version of the accord... so you can't expect to flat out win
09-03-2009, 05:10 AM
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Weight plays a HUGE factor in races such as this. HUGE. Plus the added mods. Typically exhaust and intake doesn't do much, but considering the av6 and ua6 are almost identical (with the prior being lighter), mods make a "huge" difference!
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09-03-2009, 10:18 AM
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I know people say the base model 5at is slow but damn. Didnt know the lower end Accord models can beat them.
A friend of mine has an 05 base 5at. I remember one time he said the car is a complete dog.
A friend of mine has an 05 base 5at. I remember one time he said the car is a complete dog.
09-03-2009, 11:28 AM
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i ran both these accords from a 40 roll, 30 roll, and a dig. . several times to make sure. The 5AT transmission on the TL does its j32 motor no justice. I know this from driving my coworkers TL 6speed today, completely different story. makes me wanna do a conversion on my car, haha.
makes me wonder why honda designed quicker tranny for the 7th gen accord v6, though it doesnt have sport shift. i know weight played a big factor, but seeing how that accord took off and accelerated, i think it also has a much quicker tranny. at 65-80 mph, the accord was still getting farther ahead... -___-
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09-03-2009, 11:39 AM
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the TL has a bit larger motor, a 3.2L V6 producing 258hp, which i thought would make up for the weight difference a little bit. The accord has a 3.0L V6 SOHC w/ 240hp? His acceleration was really quick compared to the TL's. He was still gaining distance and speed at around 70-80 mph.
09-03-2009, 11:52 AM
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don't forget, we weight a hole lot more than an accord, we also have more suspension mod and frame stiffness from the factory as well.
anyone can go fast in a straight line, it's when the road starts to bend, is where the skilled driver will shine.
if i remember the accords have a 18mm front sway bar and a 13mm rear sway bar.. i've had guys ask me for my stock 17mm bar
anyone can go fast in a straight line, it's when the road starts to bend, is where the skilled driver will shine.
if i remember the accords have a 18mm front sway bar and a 13mm rear sway bar.. i've had guys ask me for my stock 17mm bar
09-03-2009, 01:28 PM
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My buddy used to have an 04 Accord coupe V6 6spd. Thing was pretty darn quick for an Accord. He even took it to the dragstrip and ran a respectable 14.0 at like 99.7mph the car was stock on stock 17" wheels and michy tires.
That car would also easily pull on GT mustangs (not that GT's are super fast or anything haha).
That car would also easily pull on GT mustangs (not that GT's are super fast or anything haha).
09-03-2009, 01:31 PM
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I also have a question regarding the auto tranny in the Type S now. I believe the auto Type S has a different tranny thats based on the RL. Does this mean that the automatic Type S's dont suffer as badly from this as the base model TL's?
I have had both a base 07 auto and now a 07 auto Type S and I will say I do like the tranny feel in the S better.
I have had both a base 07 auto and now a 07 auto Type S and I will say I do like the tranny feel in the S better.
09-03-2009, 01:34 PM
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I got my ass handed to me by a Mustang GT, and it was the old model too.
I know people say "who cares about straight line performance, it's in the twisties that the car really excels" but the fact is 99% of the time on the street when you run against someone it's in a straight line.
I'm thinking of buying something faster like a 335 or S4.
I know people say "who cares about straight line performance, it's in the twisties that the car really excels" but the fact is 99% of the time on the street when you run against someone it's in a straight line.
I'm thinking of buying something faster like a 335 or S4.
09-03-2009, 01:39 PM
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I got my ass handed to me by a Mustang GT, and it was the old model too.
I know people say "who cares about straight line performance, it's in the twisties that the car really excels" but the fact is 99% of the time on the street when you run against someone it's in a straight line.
I'm thinking of buying something faster like a 335 or S4.
I know people say "who cares about straight line performance, it's in the twisties that the car really excels" but the fact is 99% of the time on the street when you run against someone it's in a straight line.
I'm thinking of buying something faster like a 335 or S4.
09-03-2009, 02:19 PM
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I also have a question regarding the auto tranny in the Type S now. I believe the auto Type S has a different tranny thats based on the RL. Does this mean that the automatic Type S's dont suffer as badly from this as the base model TL's?
I have had both a base 07 auto and now a 07 auto Type S and I will say I do like the tranny feel in the S better.
I have had both a base 07 auto and now a 07 auto Type S and I will say I do like the tranny feel in the S better.
09-03-2009, 03:40 PM
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I keep telling people these cars are not that fast whether it is 2,3gTL /cl
These cars are not race cars.. If you wanted something fast and easlily moddable then u should have looked else where.. I just got flamed to hell for saying the 2G tl was slow... When are people gonna listen w/o bashing me..
These cars are not race cars.. If you wanted something fast and easlily moddable then u should have looked else where.. I just got flamed to hell for saying the 2G tl was slow... When are people gonna listen w/o bashing me..
09-03-2009, 03:47 PM
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:thumbsdow Give me a 7.0 LS7 Z06 engine alllllll daaay long ;-) Its light weight, very efficient, very strong, and sounds absolutely amazing.
I try to avoid driving any 4 cyl car at all costs. Put a turbo on it? its still gay.
I try to avoid driving any 4 cyl car at all costs. Put a turbo on it? its still gay.
09-03-2009, 09:44 PM
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I keep telling people these cars are not that fast whether it is 2,3gTL /cl
These cars are not race cars.. If you wanted something fast and easlily moddable then u should have looked else where.. I just got flamed to hell for saying the 2G tl was slow... When are people gonna listen w/o bashing me..
These cars are not race cars.. If you wanted something fast and easlily moddable then u should have looked else where.. I just got flamed to hell for saying the 2G tl was slow... When are people gonna listen w/o bashing me..
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09-03-2009, 10:30 PM
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you almost lost/tied to a 98 accord?
i beat them by a car length at the track... and im stock and auto in a 2nd GEN TL-P
and whoever gave the idea to use SS
... you dont use sport shift in a straight line race with an automatic car. you let the tranny run its course.
nobody in here can use SS and consistently hit a "sweet spot" in each gear to improve timing.. if anything it will slow you down b/c your not shifting at the correct time.
so does this mean b/c of the 3rd Gens weight its actually slower then a second gen 3.2?
b/c from the description of these races hes runnin slower then us 2nd gen guys in the auto class?
i beat them by a car length at the track... and im stock and auto in a 2nd GEN TL-P
and whoever gave the idea to use SS
... you dont use sport shift in a straight line race with an automatic car. you let the tranny run its course.nobody in here can use SS and consistently hit a "sweet spot" in each gear to improve timing.. if anything it will slow you down b/c your not shifting at the correct time.
so does this mean b/c of the 3rd Gens weight its actually slower then a second gen 3.2?
b/c from the description of these races hes runnin slower then us 2nd gen guys in the auto class?
09-03-2009, 11:05 PM
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you almost lost/tied to a 98 accord?
i beat them by a car length at the track... and im stock and auto in a 2nd GEN TL-P
and whoever gave the idea to use SS... you dont use sport shift in a straight line race with an automatic car. you let the tranny run its course.
nobody in here can use SS and consistently hit a "sweet spot" in each gear to improve timing.. if anything it will slow you down b/c your not shifting at the correct time.
so does this mean b/c of the 3rd Gens weight its actually slower then a second gen 3.2?
b/c from the description of these races hes runnin slower then us 2nd gen guys in the auto class?
i beat them by a car length at the track... and im stock and auto in a 2nd GEN TL-P
and whoever gave the idea to use SS
... you dont use sport shift in a straight line race with an automatic car. you let the tranny run its course.nobody in here can use SS and consistently hit a "sweet spot" in each gear to improve timing.. if anything it will slow you down b/c your not shifting at the correct time.
so does this mean b/c of the 3rd Gens weight its actually slower then a second gen 3.2?
b/c from the description of these races hes runnin slower then us 2nd gen guys in the auto class?
09-03-2009, 11:11 PM
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yeah i think the 3g base TL is slower than a 2g TL.. might keep with a base but will def. lose to 2g TL-S. The base 3g 5AT is just that slow.. heavy and weak acceleration.. but a 6speed 3g base is almost like a whole different car.. its much faster and will probably win against a 2g base or type-s, dont take my word for it (purely assumption).
2nd gen TLP's are right in mid 15's.. mine was 15.45 at its best.. stock auto 4 speed with 175,000 miles
close to the same for the 3rd gens?
09-03-2009, 11:25 PM
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Strange... does VSA on or off make a big difference? cause i had it on during the run. forgot to turn it off.
another guy ran 14.1 w/ a base 3g TL 6MT w/ intake and exhaust. SORTA big difference there.
09-03-2009, 11:42 PM
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this is deffinetly a drivers race i have to say i have a 2007 V6 accord Sedan Automatic and i also have Exhaust and intake and my sister has a 2005 Acura TL auto as well and ive raced her plenty of times and with two diffrent drivers in her car and the outcome was always the same i always won by either a full car length or half car length i know weight is a factor alot my car weighs 3300-3400lbs and i know the TL is like 3500-3600Lbs but its deff a drivers race but it would always be close id anticipate who ever gets the better jump would be on top..dnt feel bad though at least u lost to another honda and it wasnt a nissan..lol HONDA LOVE..lol
09-04-2009, 06:27 AM
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i just looked it up. Someone ran a 14.59 with a stock 3g TL-P w/ 5AT.
Strange... does VSA on or off make a big difference? cause i had it on during the run. forgot to turn it off.
another guy ran 14.1 w/ a base 3g TL 6MT w/ intake and exhaust. SORTA big difference there.
Strange... does VSA on or off make a big difference? cause i had it on during the run. forgot to turn it off.
another guy ran 14.1 w/ a base 3g TL 6MT w/ intake and exhaust. SORTA big difference there.
And the 6MT TL is quite a bit quicker than the 5AT.
09-04-2009, 10:35 AM
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this is deffinetly a drivers race i have to say i have a 2007 V6 accord Sedan Automatic and i also have Exhaust and intake and my sister has a 2005 Acura TL auto as well and ive raced her plenty of times and with two diffrent drivers in her car and the outcome was always the same i always won by either a full car length or half car length i know weight is a factor alot my car weighs 3300-3400lbs and i know the TL is like 3500-3600Lbs but its deff a drivers race but it would always be close id anticipate who ever gets the better jump would be on top..dnt feel bad though at least u lost to another honda and it wasnt a nissan..lol HONDA LOVE..lol
a monkey with one arm could mash the gas and steer the car straight. (maybe)
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09-04-2009, 01:12 PM
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I personally like being able to beat speed crazed nutjobs though traffic by having much better "situational awareness"....
There's nothing quite like the feeling of seeing a case of vehicular "arrested development" blast past in the far right lane and almost rear end a bus.... ;-}
There's nothing quite like the feeling of seeing a case of vehicular "arrested development" blast past in the far right lane and almost rear end a bus.... ;-}
09-04-2009, 01:23 PM
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09-04-2009, 04:02 PM
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09-04-2009, 04:05 PM
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Dude . . I hope you are just kidding because there is such a thing with automatics. I see it all the time . . . I'm always teaching some rookie at the track and by the end of the night we'll have knocked a 1/2 sec or more off their 1/4 times . . . it's also why I love to race techinically faster cars and win becuase most drivers think you just punch the gas and go . . .
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02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts & Cleared Headlights
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH (45-70mph test - 3.5 secs)
(**before headers, Hi-flow CAT, IMMs, Bored out Intake & TBs)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF - P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
CT Icebox, Custom RamAir, CT Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts – Front & Side Only
Bored out Intake & TBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech Hiflow CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil w/Militec-1
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008
Ruf
02 WDP TLS Black Interior w/ Black Grill Inserts & Cleared Headlights
**1/4mile 14.46 @96.07MPH (45-70mph test - 3.5 secs)
(**before headers, Hi-flow CAT, IMMs, Bored out Intake & TBs)
17x7 Konig Appeals SMF - P225/45ZR-17 Bridgestone RE960 AS
CT Icebox, Custom RamAir, CT Sways & Springs
3nd Gen Innovative Motor Mounts – Front & Side Only
Bored out Intake & TBs, Mugen Cooling Mods & Thermoblok
Ceramic Coated XS Headers & Random-Tech Hiflow CAT
NEO Anti Freeze & 5w-20 oil w/Militec-1
Tranny #3 Installed 11.17.2008
