harddrivin1le

Which model TL do you have?

The IS350 is only available in an automatic. A true "apples to apples" comparison would involved a TL automatic vs. an IS350. In that scenario, the IS would most definitely win. Of course, it's dumb on Lexus's part to not be offering a manual, but that's another story.

Here's one IS you won't want to mess with - regardless of which tranny your TL has:

http://www.lexus.com/fcv/is_f.html?s_ocid=pdsrch

iforyou

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No, according to www.acura.com, the 6MT TL Type S are not the heaviest TL's. The heaviest automatic TL-S which is 3674lbs, but the 6MT model TL-S is 3559 lbs. A 2004 TL A-spec 6MT weighs 3543lbs:

http://www.caranddriver.com/roadtest...pec-page2.html

The weigh difference between a 2004 TL A-spec 6MT is only 16 lbs lighter than a 2008 TL Type S 6MT, which is really negligible. Therefore, if the A-spec can run 14.3@99mph, I don't see why a TL-S 6MT can't run at least as fast if not faster than that.

iforyou

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Well you have to keep in mind that not all automatics are slow. For example, the new BMW 335i automatic just as fast as the 335i manual. If you move to the high performance sports cars segment, you'd also notice 997 911 Turbo tiptronic is faster than 997 911 Turbo 6MT. So no, manual is not necessary faster than automatic, but this is still true with Honda's. That is, TL 5AT is a lot slower than TL 6MT. Besides, IS350 has 6AT, while TL has 5AT, still not very fair. Of course, it's also dumb on Honda's part to not offer an extra gear ratio, but like you've said, it's another story.

Hell yea, unless I have Dirtyjon's turbocharged + nitrous TL, I wouldn't be messing around with a IS-F.

type-s09

i bet $10000 i can beat that IS-F! well i mean that is if i can tell if its not a 250! haha :0

Bass Mechanic

i hate to bust your bubble, but i traded in my 06 TSX for a 2007 IS-350 a month ago. i have driven the tl type s with 6 speed and i can tell you i wouldnt need any more than the seat of my pants to tell you the IS is faster than a TL-s if you beat a IS-350 with a stock TL or TL-s either he wasnt racing or wasnt paying attention.

i will say this though, i have noticed that the IS auto trans doesnt really like to shift back to 1st gear after it hits second if you don't do a full throttle start.

for example, if you launch at about 1/4 throttle and wait for the trans to shift to 2nd then floor it, unless you manually shift it back to first it will stay in second. this will significantly reduce the acceleration untill you get to the upper RPM's and hit third.

also another reason you might have beat the IS-350 would be if the traction control kicked in. ive had that happen and when it does your running about 1/2 throttle (because of DBW) for about 3-4 seconds even after traction is restored.

don't get me wrong, i love Acuras i've owned 5 honda acura cars in the last 10 years even had a 2001 TL-p but considering the IS-350 is the fastest 0-60 in the entire lineup including the SC model there is no way in hell a FWD car that runs a full second slower in the 1/4 is going to touch an IS-350.
i have seen actual timeslips from IS-350 owners running as low as 13.3 sec 1/4 times at 104+ mph on a stock motor.
also having driven FWD cars for so many years and now having a RWD car there is absolutly no comparason between the 2 as for hooking up, and getting out of the hole on the launch. the is-350 FEELS like its just on the verge of doing a wheel stand!
on that note i wish i had a manuel option for the 350 but based on the comments of the 250 owners with 6 speed most prefer the auto trans anyway and to be honest, considering the problems i had with my acura auto trans the toyota 6 speed is miles ahead of acura in every way.

iforyou

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What you have said is very right, especially from a dig - The IS350 is faster than a TL-S in a straight line for sure. The IS350 dynoed 20whp/13lb/ft more than a stock 6MT TL-S. From a roll the TL-S might have a chance, as long as the driver can shift really well and the driver in the IS does not react fast enough, otherwise, power to ratio advantage goes to the IS.

Anyways, still waiting to see more timeslips, testing of the TL-S in a straightline, so far i have only seen MT test and the drift king's test on Willow Springs....

Bass Mechanic

yes about 2 weeks ago i was playing around with a WRX he didn't try to run me from the light (and honestly i think he knew he would have lost) but another guy in a jeep grand cherokee with the big V8 tried to hang with me from the other lane. when he cought up to me at the light he was totally blown away with my launch, his exact words were and i quote "damn! that thing aint even F***** around is it?"

i think one of the reasons the trans doesnt like to shift to 1st after your rolling is because i think with the 6 gears they made first a little lower than normal, there is no doubt this car comes out of the hole like a scalded cat!
and if your really interested in what a IS-350 can do go to U tube and search for "IS-350" or "IS-350 vs mustang" there are several related videos to thoes searches where a totally stock IS-350 has spanked mustangs, 350Z, transam, bimmer, bosted cars and several others. even the announcer at the track gave it mad props several times.

oh and BTW, starting 2008 if you happen to roll up on a IS that has a "F" on the back with quad exhaust dont even bother wasting your gas!! with more than 400 HP under the hood and enough juice to turn a set of michelins into smoke bombs all the way through 3rd gear you wouldnt be but a speck in the rear view after a few seconds. i would be suprised if a c6 vette could even come close to that car.

Xx06SickspdTlxX

Nice race!

Eoanou

The IS-F is an incredible piece of machinery, if Toyota used that as their Supra so many people would buy it. First it has 8 gear sport shift, second it sounds awesome, look up the IS-F revving videos on youtube, they sound amazing.

I think they'll be running mid twelves, I don't know of any J motors on any car running 12s.

I hate cars

My friend has plans on getting one. I'm not too worried.

'03TL-S

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of course you wouldn't be worried with your GN

apnorm

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On paper the IS350 will take the Type S every time but in the real world, anything can happen. It just makes the victory that much sweeter. Nice kill.

iforyou

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no doubt ur IS should take the WRX no problem, even a tl at can keep up as long as it's from a roll.

I've seen quite a few videos of the IS already, they are very impressive from a dig, most of the time they can run 13.7 easy.

as far as the C6 vette, i am not too sure about that, as the IS F is pretty heavy
IS F: 423ps/1690kg
C6 Corvette 6.2: 436hp/1490kg

It would be interesting to see a race between the IS F and the new M3 though, even though the M3 has better power to weight ratio (250hp/ton vs 266hp/ton), the IS has 2 more gears. On the other hand, it seems like the 457hp/443lb-ft C63 AMG should smoke both of these easy!

1sexyleo

i dunno, there's a is350 in my area w/ intake & exhaust and he runs a 13.30

Junior05

I test drove a 350 and it completely outperforms my 07(non type S). I just don't like the body style or the tail lights ...

spiike

This might be rather arbitrary, but from what I've read on the lexus forums (my other car is an es330) the IS doesn't respond well in terms of gains to intakes and exhaust mods. Unlike our car which has been reported to gain at least 15 hp from a simple intake. So, wouldn't a 2007 TLS with intake and exhaust be able to confidently keep up with an IS350?

I only ask this because my friend will be buying a new is350 and will surely ask to race some day soon.

TwinTurbo335

the IS will smoke a TL any day. those thing are monster

spiike

I test drove the is350 many times before my tls purchase. It didn't seem that much faster... and I pushed it HARD. But that may be due to how lexus makes you feel like you're floating while driving the car.

iforyou

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lol well it doesn't smoke a TL (ie, not bus lenghths) but will certainly beat it.

juruki

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^^ what he said. Besides, theres only a 131 pound difference between the 2007 5AT TL-S and the 2004-2006 6MT TL. Thats barely the weight of a passanger.

type-s09

well ive beat this one on several occasions...6mt will beat a is350 if your a good driver..

Junior05

That's pretty impressive, I was going to get one but it the interior was too crammed up. I test drove it before getting my 07 (non type s auto) The is350 was a lot faster.... I didn't drive the type s though....

lusid

Whatever the case is, a kill is a kill.

On top of that, I generally see Females in the Lexus, Mostly hot females. I'm just fine in my TL.

Good kill!

Soseductivesf

Yeah..... I wish I had the same results when I raced a is..........

StYLeZz101

my cuzin has a 2002 auto maxima and said he beat his frens is350 before...never seen the race but thats what he told me and his other fren with an auto 07 type s beats the same is350 all day..the type s beats my cuzin....i ran a 335i sedan on the highway not sure if it was an xi or just the i and from 50 to the top of 3rd we was dead even he only started to pull away from me when i threw 4th in i got an auto 04 tl with intake, procats, and exhaust

Junior05

Those is drivers must not know how to drive. A guy who I talked to when I was getting my oil changed has one in the 12's with just custom exhaust.(black with tinted tails, some kind of black rims with chrome lip ) But when I test drove one I didn't even go full throttle and it was amazing fast. it was a new one so it wasn't broken it yet I think 0-60 is 5 sec.

F23A4

It depends on the driver, particularly if the Maxima is a 6MT.

IS350 vs 5.5G Maxima

As far as the 335i, it should beat all of the above without any major effort.

F23A4

As far as the 335i, it should beat all of the above without any major effort.

iforyou

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I thought IS350 is on par with the 335i up till 100mph.

TwinTurbo335

Its not even close.

F23A4

After having driven both, I would say 'not a chance.'

I hate cars

I've been in a friend's IS350 in a race with a 335 from a dead stop to 110ish. The 335 pulled his rear bumper to our front off the start and it remained dead even until we both let off. The initial lead was due to my friend's bad reactions. Had practically an identical race with an M3 in the IS.

For what it's worth, this IS350 was broken in hard and seems to run very good compared to others.

type-s09

my friends got a video of me and the is350 running from a kick..im gonna get him to upload it..ill let you guys know

Junior05

Wow the 3.5 maxima kicked some ass..... I wonder if the is300 used his 75 shot....The is350 was gonna pass him toward the end of the video

TwinTurbo335

seems like the IS350 was starting to pull at the high end.

iforyou

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hmm interesting as I've seen from various sources that the IS can do 0-60 in 4.9s (compared with 4.8 of the 335i) and both can do the 1/4 mile in the mid to high 13's. May be the IS was specially prepared for testing?

I hate cars

I have to wonder if it's the way it's broken in/driven. My friend's is always driven hard. Barely 6,000 miles but all of them hard. It absolutely walks away from my TL, held even with a 335, a GTO, an M3, beat a couple new Mustang GTs, and is in general faster than it should be. I remember him saying that he didn't floor it for a week and it felt slower the first couple times he floored it.

I should add that he normally stalls it up on the launch which seems to really help and also turns off the traction control when it's a set up race and not a random redlight encounter.

TwinTurbo335

Typical acceleration runs of a 335i and is350. Same driver, same track, same day, same weather conditions, both autos, http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=124138

335i wins every time

I hate cars

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In real life though, it turned out to be a driver's race.

TwinTurbo335

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do.../pageId=124138

2 professional drivers going at it. I think this is the most accurate source. Both automatic. I raced many is350s. I have beaten every single one of them. Don't see why is350 claim they can beat 335.