type-s09

So went to the local street races and got some rep points for acura against our Toughest Competors
1st Kill(s) 2007 3.5 Altima 6-speed
Mods: Injen Intake, Stillen Cat-Back Exhaust

1st Race About 1.5 Cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=deMDuk4J5pM

2nd Race About 1 Car..Altima had good launch
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rjPqB1MieDg

2nd Kill(s)
2004 Infinity G35 Coupe 6-Speed
Mods:Stock w/ factory brembo pkg

1st Race About 2.5 Cars
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipv7glX9-ts

2nd Race Driver Launched Terribly(I love the exhaust when I shift to 2nd )
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLt7H66J7wY

After we race the driver told me "I just cant get traction"..im like are you kidding me? RWD Coupe vs. FWD Sedan and your complaning about traction? wow some people just dont knwo what theyve got...

Had a lot of fun showing up the Direct Competitors of the TL..Acura owes me comp. money

type-s09

So lets hear what the motor trend guys have to say!...i know theres some reason i shouldve lost or mr motor trend didnt have the same outcome...word-this is real life and not some magazine racing we read every month...
here, ill save you the trouble..heres there link...
www.motortrend.com

kosstick

Good kills repping the TL-s

type-s09

its not a type-s everyone! i wish i could change my username but i cant...once again 05 TL 6-speed!

StYLeZz101

very nice...my fren has an altima with the same mods and he leaves me when 4th goes in....damn auto....he wants to run a 6 spd tl...he thinks he cud beat it but i showed em the vids and hes like oh tha guy cant drive im like wtf...and ur the best?? hes like oh please i cud take one

kosstick

wtf you get 13.9 with 1/4 mile with that car.. dammm I prob have more Horse power than you... but im a auto i would love for you to drive my car and see what you can get 1/4 i still have to do mine too .

integlspwr

nice kills!

ChrisQ1980

HAHAH, great kills. Although your car is a bit of a freak, I think most of your wins/times come from you being a better driver than most other people.

The G35 and Altima do nothing for me anyway. I hate when the TL is put down in reviews compared to the G35. It's clear that the TL is a better car. Just cuz a car is RWD doesn't make it golden. Thanks for posting.

XxAfG786xX

major props to you bro, show em what acura has to offer

ILLustriousUA6

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the interior of the TL is one of the nicest i have seen. I agree that for the interior, the TL is a better car, but performance wise.. G35... It's sad to see so many people who can't drive their G35/Z's...

type-s09

the hp ratings for infiniti/nissan are overated...we dynoed 2 6-speed g35s and they only put down 232 whp...to the crank they are supposebly 28*...my car is 258 crank and i put down 225whp stock...acuras ratings are much more accurate or the infiniti has terrible drivetrain loss...nissan interiors are very cheap feeling/looking...the g35s just have bland design features on the interior...the guy in the G could drive pretty well except for the second time..i can drive the shit outta my car and its fwd...btw i do not speed shift..i let off the gas when i shift..

type-s09

well tell your friend if hes ever in alabama to holla at me...ill show him what his nissan is made of

type-s09

i put down 255whp and 228torque as it sits now..i put down 240 whp and 218 torque when i ran the 13.9.....where do you live?

StYLeZz101

lol thats what i told him...i was like road trip timee

ILLustriousUA6

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u mean u don't power shift...

I am anxious to see what a 3rd gen tl-s runs, bone stock, in 6-spd and 5AT... So far, not a lot has taken this car to track their times, but I would love to see what the TL-S is capable of, with a good driver.

Have you ever thought about getting some DR's?//Slicks? I believe your car can run mid 13's with the mods u have now + DR's..

Dave_B

I'm assuming you're racing at Steele. If so, there's a G35 sedan there that will light you up pretty badly. It has DRs, headers, catback, and an ECU flash. He's currently running 13.3s@104mph and he'll show you the true potential of the 1st gen G35. He races all over AL, but he lives very close to Steele. His wife has a stock 07 G35 that does 13.9s@102mph. I'm sure they'll be happy to meet you at the strip if you want. He's a pretty cool guy.

Dave_B

Well, from what I've seen at G35driver.com, most guys don't have a clue as to how to race their G35s. The cars are easy low 14 second rides in stock form. It's pretty obvious you have a strong distaste for them and I'm not going to get into an argument about interiors. However, your assumption that the G35 is way overrated is kind of wrong The 03/04 G35 sedans were rated at 260hp, but in actuality they made 275hp. The 05/06 sedans (autos) and 03/04 coupes (both trannies) were rated at 280hp, but were really making close to 275hp. Essentially, Nissan put the same motors in the cars. In 2007, Nissan began using the new SAE standard and rated the 280hp motors at 275hp and the 298hp motors at 292hp.

A 03/04 G35 6MT making 232whp is entirely normal and is spot on. The 6MT has a ~16% drivetrain loss so here's the math: 232/.84 = ~276hp. You have to remember that the G35 is RWD which means the car has a higher drivetrain loss because the engine has to spin a 3.5' driveshaft before spinning the halfshafts. Your Acura is FWD and does not have a driveshaft. Your Acura, like most any FWD car, has about a ~12% drivetrain loss. Since you're assuming the new SAE power rating standard, you're noting your car's power at 252hp (but don't forget that before 2007, the TL's were rated at 270hp). So here's the math for your car: 225/.88 = 256hp.

So, you can have your opinion about Nissan and build quality, but with regards to power, they're not playing any games.

Dave_B

I hate to say it, but the TL will never be taken seriously as sports sedan until Acura makes the car RWD. That is the ONLY thing holding that car back from potentially unseating the G35 and BMW 3-series as the marques in the entry level sports sedan category. Over the 3 years, I have yet to a sports sedan test where the TL is used. It's always the G35, BMW 3-series, Lexus IS, the CT, and maybe an A4. On paper, the TL looks decent, but in terms of feel and dynamics, it's FWD tendencies keep it out of the competition. It's a shame Honda doesn't listen to critics because they can do RWD so well. My guess is they continue to use the modified Accord chassis because it's cheap and because they have a nitch in the market where some people want a sporty performing sedan, but don't get too wrapped up in the overall dynamics.

ILLustriousUA6

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I totally agree with you. THE TL will NEVER be taken seriously. I see that at my local races, lol. Acura needs to really do something about this, but I think the main reason why they don't want to convert to RWD is because of reliability/handling issue? I noticed that RWD spins out more than FWD.. I know this because we own a 330i and i spun out once in it and dam that shti was scary. I have yet spun out in the TL *knocks on wood* so far.

I think the OP is just a little fed up of people looking down on his TL, and I DO FEEL HIM. I was looked down by many as well, till I raced them. The TL has potential.

ChrisQ1980

Well in this review, the New TL beat the G35
http://www.roadandtrack.com/article....rticle_id=4444

Here is an article on the 2nd gen beating out the BMW.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...8/article.html

Here the TL took 2nd and the G took 4th.
http://www.edmunds.com/apps/vdpconta...9/pageNumber=4

type-s09

i believe the G35s have great mechanical components...but the cosmetics of the car just arent up to the TL quality level...i would rate the g35 equal to the TL in mechanical quality...

type-s09

his name is trey hutcheson..i am friends with him..so good try on trying to school me....he has a lot more mods than i do..and drag radials on a rwd? come on man thats comparing apples to oranges...i ran the 13.9 with just an intake and street tires...show me one 1st Gen g35 that can do that..you wont find one..

iforyou

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There's also a NA CL running 13.3s@106mph on street tires...and it's 5AT too..so far from full potential.

And then we have to remind ourselves that the TL, even though it's FWD, its handling is still on par, with not better, than its RWD competitors. This has been said many times already. So in terms of feel, I'm not going to argue about it, it's too subjective. But objective numbers, such as lap times, needless to say, the TL can hold its own. Of course, it's true that they can't be using FWD if they want to keep increasing hp and torque.

ChrisQ1980

Acura will be going to SH AWD, not RWD. Adding more power to boot, and then we will see where the competition stands.

Back on topic the OP ripped the Nissan boys a new one. Keep posting the kills and times.

KhangGoodGuyTL-S

sup guys im new here. i just wanted to know something...i can see that type-s09 did great going at it with the g35...but how about the is350? did anyone raced with one yet?

iforyou

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Some guy raced one on a drag track 3 times with a TL Type S. The result was 2 to 1.

KhangGoodGuyTL-S

i wounder if my 07 tl-s could beat an 08 is350, both being AT that is? one of my friends just got the new is350 and he wanted to see how BAD he would beat me...it cant be that bad now can it? or can it?

dr_brains510

nice beat type-s09...i can't stand g35 drivers...sry Dave_B

iforyou

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the TL-S in those vids I was talking about is 6MT. 5AT is quite a bit slower, so I'd say 90% chance you will lose to your friend's IS350. It might be better from a roll but I still think he/she will beat you.

KhangGoodGuyTL-S

thanks for the heads up on that iforyou.

type-s09

https://acurazine.com/forums/showthread.php?t=166392
btw my car is not a type-s!!!

FiveLiterCheater

Yeah, listen to the magazine critics and online forum kids, that'll get you places in life. Better yet, the chairman of Honda should go to one of those drag strips and ask some of the bright fellows there what layout their next car should be. Honda Motor Company is one of the largest and most successful companies in the world, I don't think they need to prove anything to anyone. The sales for all their cars speak for themselves. While it would be nice to have RWD, they obviously have their reasons for not doing so, and I trust them rather than a bunch of dead-end article writers or slack-jawed drag strip vets. However, it does looks like their whole line-up is opting towards SH-AWD from the RL, and with TSX rumored to get the turbo 2.4L, and the TL possibly getting the 3.7, I think they have something up their sleeves for the next generation.

F23A4

Not to take this conversation any further off track but, Honda is well poised to deal with the oncoming economic recession by having an upscale mid size performance sedan based off of (and strongly influenced by) its bread and butter mid size sedan (Accord). At this point, I would understandably expect the 4G TL to be derived from the 8G Accord....and as evidenced by the 2G and 3G's success, that is not a bad thing at all.

XxAfG786xX

honda ftw!!!!

type-s09

if i can recall..i believe the 3rd Gen TL has been the best selling mid-size luxury sedan of this decade..thats telling the guys at honda they are doing something right....goes back to the saying "if it aint broke dont fix it"

stillhere153

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I talked some shit with my boys about type-s09 how he is pushing a base and talks alot... but honestly after seeing these vids, he is no joke, I want to see him run an experienced driver in a 350z, same motor as the g slightly lighter

ps. YOU FUCKING MURDERED THOSE DATSUNS

Dave_B

Yep, Trey. I knew you'd bring up the fact that he does have more mods, hence the reason I stated his mods from the start. But the reality is there are a lot more mods available for the G35 in every aspect which increases it's acceleration, handing, and braking. I told Trey he needed DRs if he ever hoped to crack into the lower 13s. He listened. I keep telling him slicks will be a God send, but he's not listening BTW, he ran 13.6s@102mph prior to the DRs. Mod wise, he's done tons of dynos (too many to count), but he has learned that many of the mods he did, did not greatly increase his car's power. His car started out with about 240whp. He's currently at 265whp.

Oh, as for a bonestock 1st G35 hitting 13s, here ya go.

60... 2.042
330... 5.841
1/8... 8.943 @ 80.07
1000 ... 11.608
1/4 ... 13.844 @ 101.03

http://g35driver.com/forums/showthread.php?t=124267

There's also a video. It's definitely not the norm, but neither is your car's performance. It's a factor of a good driver, excellent conditions, and an excellent track.

Dave_B

That's fine. It is funny how people on this site get so caught up in hating G35 owners and the car themselves because I can't remember the last time I read about a G35 owner ripping on TL owners at G35driver.com. Honestly, G35 owners don't focus on TLs at all. It's probably because we don't discuss street kills on the site and we're a bit more concerned about what numbers your car puts up under the timing lights, not the stop lights.

FiveLiterCheater

I think only one person said they don't like g35 drivers...I wouldn't generalize the whole forum.

ChrisQ1980

I don't hate G35 owners, I hate BMW's. lol

Listen Dave, there are going to be TL's that are fast, and there are going to be G35's that are fast. Both cars have their Pro's and con's. Not every TL is faster than a G35 and vice versa. We just have to deal with it.

In this case the OP has a faster TL than you do G35. lol