From all of his post, OP never stated he had a 6spd. Look at OP's first post - both autos.

To answer your question, from fastest to slowest (reference from what has been recorded here on the forum): *ALL STOCK* = 07-08 TL-S 6spd, 04-06 Base 6spd, 07-08 TL-S Auto, 04-08 Base Auto.

I dont see the relevant of the question as it has been beaten to death and we try to steer clear of it since it causes an uproar with members, but hey its your question.

 

this is why the type S's are faster

 

Evilvirus is correct that seems to be the correct order. Also, if you guys want to get technical and from the factory showroom new, don't forget an HPT (high performance tire) option was available. So from the factory the Type S 6mt with the stickier Bridgestone's should be the clear winner all other things being equal. Supposedly low 5 second 0-60 times which is pretty respectable actually.

 

^^^I beleive back in 2007 Road & Track score some 0-60 mph at 5.5 seconds for the Type S MT. I would say it about 6.1 for AT type S.

 

that was before they let the engines get broken in. Only after break in will the full 350hp be released by the ecu

 

Right, the idea was to drive hard as soon as you bought it off the lot, so that the seals get broken in correctly. You drive it how you want it to perform. If you drove like a pussy for the first 1000 miles, true VTAK won't happen

You want to WOT off the lot, so that your throttle body can breathe and your intake flows with maximum efficiency.

That is how you achieve 350whp on a stock J35. I heard for the Type Eth model, Acura made the J35A8 with strong Wiseco Pistons, the same pistons you use on a Humvee in the military.

 

Of course I knew, my first post should be clear on that. And it does create quite the uproar, bromatics can't take the temperature it seems. They start calling cars "family sedans" for no reason. I suppose they shift into "family mode" too in their Type-S 5AT
Thank you for the answer.

 

Geez man, did you take offense to that when I said the TL is a family sedan? I mean, it sort of is...isn't it? Lol I'm not putting the car down by any means. I own one too.

 

No wonder my TL A/T feels slower than a Prius, it was bought from the dealer by an old man who drove 74K miles in 8.5 years. Can't possibly be driving fast to make this little miles.


Edit: It's probably the most impractical family sedan ever owned though, no 60/40 backseat and small trunk for a sedan. More like a couple and 1 kid family sedan. Then if you get a second kid you gotta buy a minivan. :P

 

 

Ive beaten more 6mt type S than i lose to lol...

 

Must be or the 4th gen.

 

there's a party in the U.S.A

 

Pretty much the gist was that yes, I do feel the difference in power from the Type S to the base... a lot of people seem to ask that question. I average 24 mpg's in the base and 20 mpg's in the Type S - running 93 in both and mix of highway/city driving and a mix of spirited/conservative driving... And I honestly feel only a minimal difference in the handling between the two, obviously the Type S feels a bit stiffer in the corners but really not by much. Caveat here though, I did just put new struts all 4 corners on the base and the Type S is still running oe - so probably if I put new struts on Type S I would feel more of a difference.

 

Guess I should have just stated this in original thread start?? My bad. oh well, what would have been the fun in that?

 

the problem is that we're all experts on base and type-s TL's.

this type of question and answer threads most likely works when one person is an expert and the masses have no clue.

except this is an enthusiast board. so, we pretty much know everything between the two cars.

it's still a fun thread; even tho we know the answers!!

 

I remember when I was car shopping and starting to get into the TL's. I would do Google searches on the car and the differences... I guess I wanting to start a thread that would be a good research tool that someone comes across out there when they are looking, and maybe gain new members doing so.

 

That's a pretty good measurable difference in fuel economy between the two. The think the auto Type S's struggle in some cases with fuel economy. Since I have had both 5at and 6mt Type S's, I have measured atleast 3mpg differences between the two. For example on my exact same commute the auto Type S would be at 20mpg, and my 6mt woukd be at 23/24ish mpg.

That's good info tho thanks. A lot of people like to know real world mpg figures especially between the base and S.

 

^would love to do a question and answer type of thread about James' job.

 

Manual shifting on the A/T or you let it do its thing? I've noticed without any scientific evidence other than tracking my fuel consumption manually (not using the car since it's definitely lying about how good it does...) that manual shifting on the A/T gets me slightly better mileage. Up to 3 mpg under similar driving circumstances. Doing city only however (my daily commute is 10 minutes to go to work, with a bunch of stop signs...) it's very similar. I imagine the savings get negated by the constant stopping and starting. I pretty much go 1-2-3-4 as soon as possible, but most of the little stretches I don't really have time to put it in 4th unless I accelerated like a maniac and drove illegal speeds.

 

OP -Which gauges do u like more? (red vs blue)
which car has a better ride quality?
gas mileage between both cars?

I have the type S but I really like the blue guages in the regular TL more for some reason. Also, I think the type s ride quality is ehh.. even an accord feels much smoother than mine.

 

The 3rd gen TL's have a rough suspension, period. The S doesn't feel much at all different than the base - but again as I said before a fresh set of good struts on my base helped a lot. Was going to do my S also but will wait until I put some Tein or H&R's on it next year. I like the gauges about the same. I like the red when I am in my S and I like the blue when I am in my base. I think each color is perfect for each car. 20 mpg avg in the S and 24 mpg avg in the base. I let the trannies do their work in daily driving - I don't use the sport shift in the base, but I do use the paddles on the S when I have the opportunity.

 

Cleared up today what I was looking to share for the most part... Honestly thought your first question was just goating me like the other guys, so my bad if you were being serious. Both cars are autos and I haven't raced anyone - I never get messed with in either car actually. And newer member here also so I certainly don't have any body guards lol. All good bro.

 

No, driving an automatic like an automatic. The paddle shifters IMO are just a gimmick and a waste of my fingers muscle use lol. When I said I was comparing my 5at Type S to my 6mt Type S it would be driving the automatic normally and letting the car shift. I may have used those twice in all these years.

 

Alright. Wanted to know the procedure. I would imagine similar results to mine if you used the paddles.

 

 

Yes, kinda did take offence lol.
It is actually considered a sport sedan if you compare it to other sedans. If not then no biggie, I must be confused. Not calling it a sports car either. Alot of HP to haul the fam around if you ask me.
Just to clarify, the 6MT base is considered sport model (NOT to be mistaken with Type-S) and this is coming from the stealership when I go there for parts. Considering it has an extra gear, LSD, Brembo calipers.

Didn't mean to come out like that. Seemed the easiest (and douchy) way to put it I guess I should have worded it, "how many car lengths can you pull with another 6MT if you drove next to or behind another stranger on a highway on ramp"

Also, be honest, don't you like the gauges from the 04-06 clusters? Hidden when off and beautiful design and layout.
I think the only think I like better is the slightly better resolution MID but it's placed right in the middle.
Between 07-08 Base and Type-S, red type-s for sure.

 

If you can, quote this and please put in your base and type S gauges. Would be nice comparison.

 

4 doors = More whores!

at the end of the day, it's still a 4 door family car.

 

I think you have to learn the 1-3-5 shift pattern to save gas, if you're driving a 6mt that is. A friend averaged 24 city on a 6MT Type S doing that. Lol, I'm just pulling your leg.

The base TL with A Spec suspension is definitely more stiff than a Type-S, and also provides an inch of lowering all around.

Anyway, I think I'm gonna stop contirbuting to this thread so that it can die.

 

Im more of an 07/08 cluster kinda guy, but im also biased

My current 07 TLS 6mt:



Another Type S I owned many years ago 07 TLS 5at:

 

I like the 07-08 gauge cluster best myself too. I did have an '06 base auto few years back so I have been through all cluster configurations. I like the MID in the middle where it is on the 07-08, and since I have gotten the Type S I like the red the best so far. I did like the blue back-lit radio and climate control screens though on the '06, as opposed to the boring 07-08 black with white on the base. One thing I don't like though is you can't get a good screen on the MID with the info I like without having the total miles on it. That was one thing I liked about my '06 TSX 6MT, is that I could get to a screen on the MID with the temp and I had the MPG average on the same screen like I liked. Oh well.

 

And someone correct me if I am wrong, but I don't think my '08 Type S 5AT has the gear readout on the gas and engine temp screen like the pic above... that doesn't look familiar. Maybe it's there though and I haven't noticed it. I know if you put it in sport shift mode there is an LED screen that comes up on the RPM screen with what gear you are in... but I am thinking they all do that on all years of the autos.

 

LOL - okay it's the same, I just ran out to the car and checked. Don't mind me.

 

It's a strange thing that we feel good having the outside temperature on our cars, when we just came from outside to get in the car... and we're going to go outside whenever we park the car.

 

I did lol, but I don't have a Type-S. I have an Auto 06 base with PCD, AEM V2, RV6 Long J Pipe, and ATLP Quad Exhaust. I want a 6 Speed so bad now

 

I always like knowing the temp :-)

As for the MID, unfortunately our TL's are a little dated and don't have all the fancy programming features of newer cars. Its nice on all the newer cars to be able to program the display to show exactly what you want. Our TL's are pretty "old school" now.

 

^^^^well that is the same way I got on my MID.

 

The facelift gauge is actually starting to grow on me now. Nice high definition look. Would have been really nice if it were hidden when off.

 

Not 100% sure what you are referring to, but what i mean was that on a lot of newer cars the "MID" or "EVIC" screens are waaayyy bigger and can display a lot more info. What I mean with the programming is for example on our new Highlander Platinum you program the screen to display whatever you want on specific pages. On the main page I personally like to see instantaneous fuel economy and average fuel economy. Page two shows things like distance remaining (range) etc etc. On our TL's we can just scroll between a couple pages showing very minimal info....which is expected as the car is now 7+ years old.



It actually is pretty much hidden. When the LED lighting is not illuminated you do not see anything back there except a very slight hint of the brushed aluminum ring that the gauges kind of have. All the letters and dials and stuff disappear.