auto tl type s vs?
03-28-2011, 03:27 PM
#41
A race outcome can change when it goes from a dig to a roll.
But steering this back on topic, the question the OP has posed is which vehicles (pressumably stock and performance oriented) can an 07-08 TL-S 5AT outperform, all other factors being equal?
All my races started from rolls against other average joe drivers, so all these magazine times don't hold a lot of value on how to decide the outcome. You can assume, but it doesn't necessarily mean you're right.
Look at any thread involving the Evo/STi for example. Those cars have us covered in the QTR mile, yet a lot of members have beat them after 60-70Mph from a roll because those cars don't have a lot to give once they're up there.
03-28-2011, 06:35 PM
#42
08 WDP TL-S
03-28-2011, 06:37 PM
#43
08 WDP TL-S
Have had absolutely no trouble running 350Zs. I've ran 2, and both times, pulled past them once we got past 100. One of them even tapped his brakes to avoid me from pushing a fender by him during our first run.
'05 Mustang GTs are not that fast. Autos are dogshit slow, and it doesn't take much to hang on the rear of the manuals. A member & I on here have both run the same GT, and neither of us got left behind.
Notice how I also said possibly IS models.
'05 Mustang GTs are not that fast. Autos are dogshit slow, and it doesn't take much to hang on the rear of the manuals. A member & I on here have both run the same GT, and neither of us got left behind.
Notice how I also said possibly IS models.
....even i can beat a stock 350z on my pervious 2g Type S with CAI and catback exhaust...
03-29-2011, 10:27 AM
#44
Burning Brakes
Have had absolutely no trouble running 350Zs. I've ran 2, and both times, pulled past them once we got past 100. One of them even tapped his brakes to avoid me from pushing a fender by him during our first run.
'05 Mustang GTs are not that fast. Autos are dogshit slow, and it doesn't take much to hang on the rear of the manuals. A member & I on here have both run the same GT, and neither of us got left behind.
Notice how I also said possibly IS models.
'05 Mustang GTs are not that fast. Autos are dogshit slow, and it doesn't take much to hang on the rear of the manuals. A member & I on here have both run the same GT, and neither of us got left behind.
Notice how I also said possibly IS models.
I'd never call an 05-08 5AT Stang "slow". Even in auto form, they're low 14 second cars, many of which are in the upper 13s. They do give up some acceleration to the 5MT cars, but not much. A set of gears and better torque converter is all it takes to unlock the true potential of the 300-315hp 5AT Stang. You're talking about .6 to .8 seconds and about 4mph by just doing these mods.
03-29-2011, 11:12 AM
#45
All motor
Soley going by 1/4 mile data on this site, my350Z.com, g35driver.com as well as infamous mag times, manual/auto Zs are typically quite a few tenths quicker and a few mph faster than the 2nd and 3rd gen manual TLs. A 3rd gen 6MT TLS is closer, but still not close enough. The auto TLs are no match. The TLS auto is significantly better and not far off from what a manual TL is capable of.
I'd never call an 05-08 5AT Stang "slow". Even in auto form, they're low 14 second cars, many of which are in the upper 13s. They do give up some acceleration to the 5MT cars, but not much. A set of gears and better torque converter is all it takes to unlock the true potential of the 300-315hp 5AT Stang. You're talking about .6 to .8 seconds and about 4mph by just doing these mods.
I'd never call an 05-08 5AT Stang "slow". Even in auto form, they're low 14 second cars, many of which are in the upper 13s. They do give up some acceleration to the 5MT cars, but not much. A set of gears and better torque converter is all it takes to unlock the true potential of the 300-315hp 5AT Stang. You're talking about .6 to .8 seconds and about 4mph by just doing these mods.
The TL-s 5AT is still a good .4-.5 and 2-3mph slower than the TL 6MT with a good driver. It would take an I/E at least TL 6MT to take on a 5MT Mustang of that year. I've seen some trap as high as 105-106 stock. Not 1 NA TL has touched that thus far with all the bolt ons. I'm hoping after the tune, that this will happen.
These claims of beating 350z's easily in the AT version of our cars also seems a bit farfetched. If the 5AT from Acura was better, I'd say it'd be much closer vs. an AT Z. Like I said with the Mustang, it should take an I/E 6MT to hang with a stock 6MT Z given equal drivers.
The 370s forget it. Idk how I came relatively close with my friend. After this TP/tune, I have no shot at all. With bolt ons they're trapping 110+. I may see 103-104 on a perfect day. That's like running a 6MT TL-s vs the new 5.0 GT...
03-29-2011, 02:32 PM
#46
US Navy Seabees
I agree. I certainly wouldn't call 5AT 05-08 Stangs slow at all. There was 1 modded TL-s 5AT that ran 14.0, others mid-high 14s yet apparently the Stang that runs faster than 98% is considered slow.
The TL-s 5AT is still a good .4-.5 and 2-3mph slower than the TL 6MT with a good driver. It would take an I/E at least TL 6MT to take on a 5MT Mustang of that year. I've seen some trap as high as 105-106 stock. Not 1 NA TL has touched that thus far with all the bolt ons. I'm hoping after the tune, that this will happen.
These claims of beating 350z's easily in the AT version of our cars also seems a bit farfetched. If the 5AT from Acura was better, I'd say it'd be much closer vs. an AT Z. Like I said with the Mustang, it should take an I/E 6MT to hang with a stock 6MT Z given equal drivers.
The 370s forget it. Idk how I came relatively close with my friend. After this TP/tune, I have no shot at all. With bolt ons they're trapping 110+. I may see 103-104 on a perfect day. That's like running a 6MT TL-s vs the new 5.0 GT...
The TL-s 5AT is still a good .4-.5 and 2-3mph slower than the TL 6MT with a good driver. It would take an I/E at least TL 6MT to take on a 5MT Mustang of that year. I've seen some trap as high as 105-106 stock. Not 1 NA TL has touched that thus far with all the bolt ons. I'm hoping after the tune, that this will happen.
These claims of beating 350z's easily in the AT version of our cars also seems a bit farfetched. If the 5AT from Acura was better, I'd say it'd be much closer vs. an AT Z. Like I said with the Mustang, it should take an I/E 6MT to hang with a stock 6MT Z given equal drivers.
The 370s forget it. Idk how I came relatively close with my friend. After this TP/tune, I have no shot at all. With bolt ons they're trapping 110+. I may see 103-104 on a perfect day. That's like running a 6MT TL-s vs the new 5.0 GT...
03-29-2011, 03:13 PM
#47
All motor
In regards to the TL 6MT crossing the 1320 in 14.0 BONE stock on stock tires; ehhh. Maybe on a perfect day with a perfect launch and powershifting. Even so, that's really pushing it on stock tires. On some sticky summer tires, I'd say yes.
I will say that when I ran a 14.0, it was on a 2.24 60'. If I was on better tires and got it down to a 2.0x, that would've put me in the 13.6-13.7 range with just CAI/Jpipe, so the potential is there.
03-29-2011, 03:41 PM
#49
I don't know haha, just saying it "feels" quicker lol. In actuality I think it would be more or less the same. And yes I did have CAI and Headers..The headers make the biggest gains with the 2Gtl. Dyno'd with 20whp gain from the headers alone.
Stock for stock, the 3G TLS is faster. I think it's like 200hp on the 2G vs 230'ish on the 3G 5at
03-29-2011, 04:11 PM
#50
Suzuka Master
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC3NyquQRE
03-29-2011, 04:54 PM
#51
Under construction
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^^ Last year I ran 14.2x@99mph bone stock, plenty of azine members were there to witness it.
Edit: It's possible to run a lower time but you need to have a perfect launch. I tried at least 7x but couldn't get past the 14.2x. I've had trap speeds as high as 99.8mph so I'm confident a 14 flat is possible.
Edit: It's possible to run a lower time but you need to have a perfect launch. I tried at least 7x but couldn't get past the 14.2x. I've had trap speeds as high as 99.8mph so I'm confident a 14 flat is possible.
Last edited by alexSU; 03-29-2011 at 04:59 PM.
03-29-2011, 05:27 PM
#53
Soley going by 1/4 mile data on this site, my350Z.com, g35driver.com as well as infamous mag times, manual/auto Zs are typically quite a few tenths quicker and a few mph faster than the 2nd and 3rd gen manual TLs. A 3rd gen 6MT TLS is closer, but still not close enough. The auto TLs are no match. The TLS auto is significantly better and not far off from what a manual TL is capable of.
And I'm not surprised in the least that a 350Z & a G35 site said their cars are faster than us. Some of those guys think they can cars in the 12's.
03-29-2011, 06:37 PM
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03-29-2011, 10:10 PM
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^^^ In the vid, the car looks like a type-S ?? Unless he swapped the rims, tailights, bumpers and the trunk lip spoiler from TL-S to a base TL.
*edit* - Nevermind that, I just checked his profile and he does have have Type S tails spoiler and side markers on an 05 TL
*edit* - Nevermind that, I just checked his profile and he does have have Type S tails spoiler and side markers on an 05 TL
Last edited by Hotwired05; 03-29-2011 at 10:19 PM.
03-30-2011, 02:13 AM
#57
As if what happens in a magazine or at a standard 1/4 mile drag strip has much relevance to 90% of the threads around here which are purely street related. Many of which involve speeds above the normal 1/4 mile trap ranges of the cars in mention and often times, not from a standing launch.
Not condoning those types of activities, it's just the reality of the situation. It's going to happen and most are going to post about it no matter what so it should be viewed and discussed for what it is, not what it isn't.
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03-30-2011, 05:43 AM
#58
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03-30-2011, 09:07 AM
#60
All motor
13.9 with just an intake. It's definitely not the norm. This was done by a member here, Type-S09.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC3NyquQRE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnC3NyquQRE
03-30-2011, 02:33 PM
#64
Burning Brakes
03-30-2011, 03:17 PM
#68
All motor
I'm in NY. I'll
.....in an Accord :gheylaugh:
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03-30-2011, 03:36 PM
#71
All motor
Haha. I'm messin with you. Looks are subjective, but I'd have to agree. If I would've known the TL came in 6MT I would've gotten it over my Accord. I was in a 'coupe' daze when I bought the car though, so who knows. But right now, I wouldn't even think twice about it.
And ehh...those are old numbers. We'll see after some tweaks.
And ehh...those are old numbers. We'll see after some tweaks.
03-31-2011, 07:26 AM
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