Many of us have counted upon Amsoil to be the first and last word in oil and oil filtration.
Based upon another thread, I felt the need to place a new order with Amsoil for some Signature Series 0w-30 oil, and the Ea013 Absolute filter.
I was shocked to see that the Ea013 had been discontinued, and I sent an e-mail to Tech services to see what the deal was.
I received the following e-mail:

Good Afternoon,



The EaO13 has been discontinued. We have found that some of these filters have come to capacity before 25,000 miles. The only replacement we can recommend at this point is the WIX 51356.



Have a Great Day,



Chris Kempton

ckempton@amsoil.com

AMSOIL Technical Service

715-392-7101 EXT 6097

FAX 715-392-3097

Bottom line is, don't count upon this filter longer than the recommended change interval from the factory.

 

wow, that is just earth shattering.

 

Royal P filters for me..

 

Is amsoil filter or royal purple filter really that much better than the oem one.

 

Than OEM, probably.

Than Mobil1, or Honda/Filtech S2K Filter, or Wix or HAMP, probably not much if any. Especially on a standard change interval.

 

I don't know about amsoil filters but I ripped my RP filter apart after going over 8k miles in my last oci and it was beautiful. Definitely worth the extra money.. The filter has a wire mesh backed synthetic filter media that held up very well. The filter is encased by a thick steel shell and backplate. It also has a silicone anti-drainback valve that looked like new.. I mean the filter is quality all around. I know IHC can comment on specific flow and pressure characteristics. If you go 7k+ which you definitely should be doing on amsoil.. I definitely recommend you go a step up. M1 filters seem to be going down in quality.. the shell is plastic now, I just installed one on my MDX and I'll rip that sucker apart at 5k miles.

I know M1 filters have traditionally been mfg by champ labs who also produce the RP and K&N filters. Not sure if Mobil moved mfgs but you should be hearing an update / comparo from me in the fall. Also, the OE filter is crap.. they used to have a higher quality standard but they switched mfg and are cheaply produced and stamped with Honda's name.

 

Mobil 1 or K&N Filter FTW

 

I hate cars: i would appreciate you input based on this new information, since you are the guru of filters/oil.

 

I didn't know I was I hate cars I know I'm smarter, thanks.

Most name-brand filters would work.

 

I'm still sticking with AMSOIL.

 

I was shocked to see this. I presently use K&N filters with Amsoil Signature series, but was recently educated as to inferiority of K&N filters.

I thought the Amsoil Absolute might be the answer, but.........

 

I have ten A02/OEM filters left over from a discount buy.

Maybe I should just change these out every 5K and save a little money

 

WIX filters are the ticket! The correct one is 51334.

I use the NAPA Gold 1334, the same exact filter with NAPA's name on it. My oil stays cleaner longer than any other filter I've ever used INCLUDING K&N and Mobil1.
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are'nt those the nascar advertised filters- wix- at napa?
with the swirling technology inside to do yadayada

had one on my truck a while back = it filtered a lot of crud from that old chevy~

 

s paw - whats the news about K&N filters- why are they inferior suddenly?

 

K&N are pretty decent for the $ in my book.

 

So let me ask everyone this. What is the difference between the 2004 engine and the 2005+ engine? I was looking through my product interface and Im showing that the 2004 should be running the EAO20 filter and the 2005+ should be running the EAO13. So whats the difference.

If anyone has a spare EAO13 filter and would be willing to sell it to me please let me know so I can tear the 2 apart and do a comparison.

Now on the topic of a 25k oil change... I would not recommend going 25k without changing your oil ever unless you are doing proper oil analysis at regular intervals. I run my Cummins diesel upwards of 25k on an oil change but I am also running 15 Quarts of oil, a dual filter bypass filtration system and I have Blackstone reports ran every 3k miles to insure proper lubrication and filtration. If a report comes back and any contaminant levels are too high i immediately change the oil.

I have been exclusively running Amsoil in all of my cars and I am on my 2nd oil change with Amsoil in my TL.

If anyone has any questions or needs help with Amsoil products please feel free to PM me.

Toddy

 

There is no difference between the engines. In some catalogs, they think the redesign of the TL didn't happen until '05. The filter for the 2nd Gen TL in all brands is actually a better one to use as it's wider and physically larger on the inside. --> K&N 1004, Mobil1 M-104, etc. Is there somewhere you can compare pics of the EA020 and EA013's? The NAPA (WIX) filter I use, the wider 1334 is listed in NAPA stores for all TL's from 1999 up.
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"I hate cars" had done a study awhile back, and said that the filtering capacity
was not as good in K&N as some others.

I don't want to speak for him.

I presently have K&N on my TL-S, but I'm not sure what I'm going to use next.

I may join DMZ in going with WIX

 

but how will I safety wire my filter then!!?!

 

oh well. never used them.

 

Well, they discontinued them because they could not fulfill the super extended OCI that Amsoil recommended. I'm sure there's nothing wrong with using them for a normal 10,000 mile OCI. Still, not what you want to hear.

I've always used the EAO 20 filter anyway. It's much larger so loading should not be a problem.

The filter flow and filtration characteristics are not an Amsoil thing, it's the synthetic glass filter media that is licensed from Donaldson. I suspect Amsoil got cheap and tried to use less media to save money and it bit them in the ass. The media itself is tried and true in the diesel industry. Nothing else comes close to filtration and flow.

Anyone worried, just go with the larger EAO20 or the RP (same media) filter.

But to answer the earlier questions, the glass media is still much better (flow, filtration) than anything else whether it's OEM, K&N, or Mobil One. It's enough of a difference to warrant the price.

I've seen the particle count tests and it's pretty impressive. RP may even use a slightly finer media.

K&N and Mobil One are still at the top of the pile though. Very good filters. I don't care for the K&N air filters but the oil filters are great. If Amsoil or RP were not available I would have no problem running the others.

One more thing, I've always run the larger S-2000 sized filters no matter what the brand.

 

^
It's about time you came around
Your ears had to be burning

As I stated in so many words, the filter had reached its capacity sometime before the 25K mark. Be interesting to know how far.

Amsoil also sells the Donaldson filters.

Interesting information in going with the larger filter from Amsoil. Is everything else the same?
Reason is more capacity, or more filter face area?

 

in-use fluid capacity of a few ounce differance is not as important as total filter media area, where more is better

I dont go that far on my oil changes- the light comes on and I throw some fresh stuff at it, penz platinum and a k&N,,same filter fits my honda vtwin!

 

I wish I could get the details, I know of some of these filters being pushed upwards of 60,000 miles. For all I know it may have had a large capacity sump and used one of the larger filters. One thing I've learned about Amsoil is although I like their products, they have one of the best (or worst depending on how you look at it) marketing departments.


I run the larger filters just for peace of mind. If something like what just happened came up and I were pushing it to the 25,000 mile interval, it would give me more room for error.

More media will hold more dirt before plugging becomes an issue.

You also pick up extra flow even though that's not an issue.....at least not when it's new. There's also cold start bypass to think about. It's not really an issue with a well flowing media but there's the rare occasion where the engine is started with thick cold oil and immediately revved up. Not only does it put a larger pressure differential between the inlet and outlet of the filter but if the oil pump goes into bypass, the flow through the filter can double depending on where the filter is located in the system. The larger filter with less pressure differential should be harder to get into bypass mode.

The extra oil capacity is always a plus too.

Really, the larger filters are not necessary but they won't hurt anything either.

Off topic but I run the EAO13 and now the RP equivalent on the Murano. This is the "big" filter for this car. The stock one looks like a little toy.

 

For an off the shelf filter, I'd use Royal Purple or Mobil 1. They are very well constructed, use better than average media, and are plenty capable of extended drains.

Nearly ever OEM filter I've seen that has been cut part has been total crap.

 

Found this over on bitog. Looks like the 013 will be the next on the list.... http://www.sinwal.com/data/TSB_FL-20...01_Toyota1.pdf

I don't want to start an amsoil bashing thread, it looks like the problems are only occuring way past the factory recommended OCI.

 

Well, it looks like the problem may be limited to the notorious Toyota sludge issues.

That is a different and exclusive issue with Toyotas.

If that's the case, we Acura owners are in the clear.

 

Keep us posted !@

 

I run Fram and extended intervals. I dare any of you to tell me my motor wont last

 

Well if it's a extraguard..

 

What do you consider "extended interval"?

Maybe I missed it somewhere on another thread..how many miles do you have on your motor?

whoopee! My 1000th post, and to a mega mod at that!

 

Extended intervals i have gone 8-15k on them, Current extraguard has 22k on it, typically i swap out the filter at 7500 with my 15k oil change interval. Miles on Motor before the swap, 220k, Current motor 200k.

 

Here's the official TSB for the EaO13 - AMSOIL Technical Service Bulletin on EaO13 04-2010

 

i've always run the EAO20 in my car and never had an issue. i've always like the bigger EAO20 for its larger capacity

 

Sorry to bump an old thread but apparently they have a new filter http://www.amsoil.com/catalog.aspx?code=Ea15k13-EA