Hello all,

I'm sure this topic has been brushed upon, but I wasn't able to find anything specific. I know that when it comes to comparing base TL's, the auto versus 6mt is like night and day. I haven't heard much about people saying the same for the TL-S' though. Can someone confirm? Is the case the same in the TL-S? Is the auto almost a second slower than the 6mt version of the TL-S? 0-60's anyone?

Thanks,
Eric

 

Yes, due to better gearing, less weight, and no power loss due to the torque converter the 6MT is faster. I believe the 0-60 times were 5.5 for a 6MT Type S and 5.7 for the 5AT Type S.

 

A few tenths on the 0-60.

Figure a good .5 sec and ~3 MPH in the 1/4 mile.

I think the MT takes mods better too (get more from them). I've read a few that said the MT is a "beast" of a TL.

 

The real difference is the manual is fun to drive!!
Manual has a limited slip differential, auto doesn't.

 

yup i spanked my friends auto tl-s

 

when i was at the dealer test drive it, the sales rep told me that the auto is only 1/10 slower than m/t. At the time i thought the statement was valid seeing how many cars are faster with auto these days. But he was wrong. Salesman had no idea wtf he was talking about. M/T is .4 or .5 quick than auto. perhaps if acura had 7spd auto then it might be quicker than m/t.

 

i can do that too

 

The difference is NOT as significant as all these 6mt guys think and you gotta remember in order for the 6mt to beat the auto it has to be a damn good driver which most people are not. They will have a even tougher time from a dead stop.

AlexSU,
so your base 05 can spank auto TL-S's? Have any videos? Also, my friend ran his 100% stock 04 Accord Coupe V6 6mt faster than your TL.

 

^ good for your friend. its not harder to run a lighter car to a faster time. its been proven over and over that the base 6mt can outrun an auto tl-s

 

yea there is the risk of the 6mt owners not shifting correctly i know for a fact the clutch on the tl is much heavier and not as user friendly to drive, ont he ther hand my civic si it's so easy to drive it feels like im driving auto the cluctch is just flawless

 

does anyone have any idea if the civic also has a self adjusting clutch

 

:troutslap

 

He doesn't need video, I'm one of the guys he spanked.


His 14.29 is legit against my PB of 14.37.

Same day, same track, Alex ran 14.3 v my 14.5.



Kid can drive.

 

Thanks Jim! We should have a rematch

I'm still jealous, you get to drive yours. Mine is sitting looking pretty in the driveway

 

Those things are quick as hell! The Accord coupe is lighter then the TL as well, so you can see why he is faster.

 

Car is one thing and the driver/skill set is another story.

Assumptions on the paper are different then real driving/racing.
Unless things are perfect under any conditions, yeh the car with more hp/tq and less weight will win, but in case of V6 Accord, TL, they are all very like in terms of power, weight etc.
Different conditions, different drivers will produce different results and just because one can produce better result, no one should be claiming the same, unless it can be reproduced.

Lets assume that my car does 14 sec 1/4 mile on the paper, and I am crappy driver who cant even do 17 sec 1/4, I am not going to say, my car is 14 sec car, cause in my hands it is not.

Launching TL from 0 is very challenging, so someone without much practice could easily lose to 5AT from the red light let’s say.

The thing about 6MT, overall I love it and it is very rewarding and fun thing to drive; I never got the car to be faster than 5AT, I got just because my preference is manual and I enjoy it.
I would buy it even it 5AT were quicker as I really do not care.

 

I wish I could find someone with a 6mt base or type S and really see what the differences are in acceleration. I have an auto Type S and a HD camcorder :-)

 

this is very true. you can never shift faster than the automatic. yeah might have a bit more HP, but it all comes down to shifting.

 

Still not satisfied or convinced??

 

.5+ seconds in the 1/4 mile IS significant. even if you are a somewhat decent driver you will still be a bit faster.

+1


COMPLETELY false. these are not dual clutch auto transmissions we are talking here. It is very easy to out shift an auto trasmission.

6mt's are a BIT lighter, more powerful, and shift faster. Its not the same deal for every car, but in this case it is.

 

Actually you would have a 14 second car with a 17 second driver. That's why they say "all things being equal" & when you run against an identical car one or the other usually wins - ties are very, very rare.

 

Agree, at the speeds the TL's run its about a 35-38 foot spread & still pulling away at the finish line.

Which means the 5AT could beat a 6MT out of the hole (very unlikely) but still lose quite easily over a quarter mile.

 

No it doesn't. It comes down to gear ratios & the RPM drop between gears. The 5AT has poor RPM recovery after the shift compared to the 6MT which stays in the power band after each shift.

Additionally, the 5AT's gear multiplication is behind that of the 6MT in every gear.

 

lovely, you guys all bashed on the automatics lol
thank you much for the info. please continue

 

not bashing automatics per say, there are times when I wouldnt mind one myself. To a driving enthusiast though, no automatic (dual clutch or otherwise) compares to driving a manual. Lots of the auto guys here dont know or dont like to admit that the 6mt is a big difference. However, its a TL, not a sports car, so who really cares? I hardly ever get on my car like that.

 

People always claim the difference is a result of the torque converter vs. the clutch. Not the case at all, considering the TL has a lock-up torque converter. It basically acts just like a clutch-driven system once it's engaged. The biggest difference is the gearing, since the auto only has five gears (and the fourth gear is way too tall; they pretty much don't need the 5th gear for overdrive) while the manual has six. Put the new 6AT against the 6MT and the difference should be much smaller.

 

Nope not until I run a 6mt base or Type S myself or atleast see a video. Everyone here says that even a base model 6mt is significantly faster than the Type S so I wanna see a video.

 

I agree! I bought my Type S as a daily driver so I wanted automatic. The summer toy sitting next to it now thats obviously 6spd. I will say though I wouldnt mind taking a 6spd TL-S around the block to see how it compares.

 

I've tried going the route of automatic...but I can't stand it...I just really enjoy driving it so much more. Even when I would do an hour and 15 in traffic every day I endured it in a manual accord back in the day.

That said...I've had a few people in my car when I get on it...people that know cars, and they're usually impressed with the acceleration. And they own modded mustang, mazdaspeed 3, and an auto TL.

 

I got 06 6MT/Navi, but I live and work on the north side

 

Alex (Base 6MT) and I (TL-S AT) have time slips from the same track, same night. There is nothing that you'll see in a video, that isn't in the time slips.

BUT if you need video, go make one. There are a couple of 1/4 mile tracks near Joiliet that run "test and tune" nights on a regular basis. Find a freind with an MT and go make your video. Post it up; I'd love to see it too.

I understand some people don't want to believe data, but if you think the data is wrong, go collect some to prove your point.

FWIW, I think the AT TL-S is approx equal to the Base 6MT - drivers race. But compared to the MT TL-S, the AT should not win. 14.4/14.5 qtr mile vs ~14.0 qtr mile.

On a track, maybe not so much. The MT has an advantage, but driver skill and consistency will make the difference.

 

I would run my 07 auto TL-S at the track but Chicagoland Speedway is friggin expensive just to leave with a little receipt looking thing lol. I wonder if Test and Tune is almost done for the season.

James

 

+1

i would say that having owned a nice 6 speed subaru STI that i def didnt buy this car because of its racing heritage, i bought it because it has pretty good acceleration and tourque and its a pretty decent luxury car. The Type S is def a nice touch though..haha little bit better looking than the base TL. I know im just a noob here what do i know?

 

If it is too close to from a conclusion without a stat sheet, then why bother arguing? These aren't race cars.

 

eh, i'm picking up an auto tl-s tomorrow...lol
for me, it's a little different -_- i have certain "restrictions" that i have to stay within...in those restrictions, the TL-S is literally my only satisfying option (to me). i love speed...lol...i work with what i get

 

why fight? in the end we all drive nice ass TL's

LOL

both cars have the power to get you from point A to point B, some use it to race some just cruise but why race?

 

what new 6AT?

 

Oh, I was talking about the 6AT that they put on the ZDX. Sorry if it seemed like I was referring to a TL with 6AT.

 

the ZDX?

 

You don't want to see it, trust me Pretty ugly!!