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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 09:48 PM
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6MT Altima 3.5 VS TL-S??

ok check this out. this dude wants to throw down money. i havent had any expirence with 3.5 altimas except for my boys SER with intake. this dude has a 3.5 regular altima with 6speed. he also has intake, exhaust, and spacers. the stock hp is 250hp. what do u think my chances are from a 20 roll? i think i can take him but he'll more than likely hold his own.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 09:56 PM
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he will take you. dont even try.. those things are just as quick as a 350z.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:01 PM
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he will take you. dont even try.. those things are just as quick as a 350z.

oh really? cause i have no problem takin 350zs and ill hold my own against the highrev 350zs
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:04 PM
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http://www.caranddriver.com/comparis...tima-35se.html

0-60mph in 5.9s
1/4mile in 14.6s

The 3.5SE is faster than the SE-R because the SE-R actually weighs 160lbs more according to C&D.

But then you also have headers and pulley which he doesn't have...I say this is going to be a drivers race.
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:11 PM
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ill bump it to a 30 roll so ill have the advantage of being in 1st and he'll most likely be in low 2nd or be forced to do a quick 1-2 shift. so ill be able to bounce on him in 1st
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:33 PM
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he has a big advantage on you.. auto vs manual..

the times you posted are for i believe automatics.. the manuals one are monsters..
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:36 PM
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:51 PM
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he'll pull on you
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Old Nov 22, 2007 | 10:55 PM
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^ +1 i think so too.. u shouldnt bet money on it but just a friendly race.. stock one is already monster.. imagine one with bolt ons.. GG
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 12:53 AM
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 06:26 AM
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yeah.. for fun its all good, but not for money. youre basically racin a 350Z right there. i hate assholes who wana race you for money knowing their car comes faster from the factory. haha the other night a supercharged TL wanted to race me and donald(acuratlboi) for money... i was thinking "uhh, thats great.. ure supercharged... im not...."

haha but yea race him for fun! and then race him again with your wetnos for $ haha
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 06:41 AM
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 07:42 AM
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NOTE: A regular 02-06 3.5SE did not have a 6MT, rather a 5MT. Only the 3G SE-R and 4G 3.5SE have a 6MT. with the "monster" comments re: the MT V6 Altima. Prior to the 07 TL-S, I believe the Altima 3.5SE was the quickest NA FWD car on the market.
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 09:23 AM
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If its the new 3rd gen 6spd Altima those run 14.1@100MPH stock on nissanclub.net. The only chance you have is from a roll. From the line I think he would pull on you. Even the 2nd gen 5spd MT altima runs as low as 14.1-14.2 stock at best. With I/H/E/P you have strong top end though! Race from a 20-30mph roll!

SicktypeS - Did you feel any gains from your Crank pulley? I am thinking of getting one but I want to know your feelings on if its worth the money or not.
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 10:40 AM
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my bro in law has the 5MT 02 Altima SE and that thng is quick!!! but i can fry him...he has intake & exhaust...thng is now slouch...30mph roll & its a drivers race...quick hint the 03+ Altima's weigh more than the 02.. they put more insulation & heavier suspension on it
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 12:58 PM
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Just wait till your wet kit is installed, he'll have a big surprise then..
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 06:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TwinTurbo335
he has a big advantage on you.. auto vs manual..

the times you posted are for i believe automatics.. the manuals one are monsters..
it's manual, refering to the link I posted,

"The engine pulls with gusto throughout its range, but the shifter feels a little rubbery in action, with gritty engagements."

that sort of comment does not describe an auto gearbox, besides, if you look at the picture, it's manual. Also, if that time is for the auto, then I seriously doubt anyone would buy the 6MT SE-R since it does 0-60 in 6.3, 1/4mile in 14.8.
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 06:03 PM
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By the way, that's the best time C&D got (0-60 in 5.9s, 1/4mile in 14.6). I am sure some other people can do better than that, just like there are people who have ran their 2nd gen TL-S with intake with a time of 14.46s.
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 10:10 PM
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dude from all the posts you did about racing, id say ull take him
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Old Nov 23, 2007 | 10:31 PM
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SicktypeS - Did you feel any gains from your Crank pulley? I am thinking of getting one but I want to know your feelings on if its worth the money or not.
yup i felt a good difference its defi worth the money
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Old Nov 24, 2007 | 10:06 AM
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Originally Posted by S1CK TypeS
yup i felt a good difference its defi worth the money
Thanks for the feedback!
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Old Nov 24, 2007 | 11:55 AM
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Originally Posted by iforyou
it's manual, refering to the link I posted,

"The engine pulls with gusto throughout its range, but the shifter feels a little rubbery in action, with gritty engagements."

that sort of comment does not describe an auto gearbox, besides, if you look at the picture, it's manual. Also, if that time is for the auto, then I seriously doubt anyone would buy the 6MT SE-R since it does 0-60 in 6.3, 1/4mile in 14.8.
My 02 Maxima 4AT ran a 14.725 sec ET stock, which is the time C/D posted with the 6MT. My track experience with VQs have caused me to take C/D's VQ times with a grain of salt.

After having driven the SE-R in both 5AT and 6MT, I would say that competent drivers of the 6MT should expect times in the 14.3-14.5 range while 5AT owners should expect times in the 14.5-14.8 range. (NOTE: The SE-R is only marginally quicker -- if at all -- over the 3.5SE and, just is more of a handling and appearance packaged version of the 3.5SE....not unlike the TL A-spec to some degree.)

In general, the Altima 3.5SE and SE-R should post similar numbers similar to the 02-03 Maxima.
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Old Nov 24, 2007 | 04:43 PM
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yea, even C&D admitted that the SE-R is slower than the fastest 3.5SE they have tested. But the SE-R package sure looks cool to me!

And yea I agree, as long as you can get good traction, and thus good launch, then the time should be good.
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Old Nov 24, 2007 | 11:06 PM
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with your mods I think you'll beat him, especially from a roll.
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Old Nov 25, 2007 | 08:48 AM
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Vtec Ftw
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Old Nov 25, 2007 | 12:39 PM
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Race Him Already, Or do u want me to take my 03 Quattro out :P
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Old Nov 25, 2007 | 12:52 PM
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youll win man I think 3.5 altimas are as fast as new type s and ur car beats em so no prob
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 10:36 AM
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^^ Agree, if you can take a new TL-S i dont see why you shouldnt be able to beat a Altima.
I love how 2nd gens can stay in vtec the whole race.
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 02:59 PM
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 03:13 PM
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Just found out that there's a recall for <2002 Altimas and Sentras. Only affects 2.5L engines though, so you're friend is safe,

http://money.cnn.com/2007/11/26/auto...ex.htm?cnn=yes
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 03:16 PM
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^^ Agree, if you can take a new TL-S i dont see why you shouldnt be able to beat a Altima.
I love how 2nd gens can stay in vtec the whole race.
i can stay in vtec all the way till the end of 3rd. when if i bang it past redline i can get it between 4800-4900 in 4th. if im not mistaken vtec starts at 5000
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Old Nov 26, 2007 | 04:45 PM
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My track experience with VQs have caused me to take C/D's VQ times with a grain of salt.
Exactly. I've personnally witnessed a bonestock 5MT Altima pulling 14.3s@97mph at my track a few years back. The mags say it's a 14.6 second car. The mags also say my 03 G35 sedan 5AT is a 14.6@97mph car, but I've gotten mine to do 14.3s@98mph stock. This basically goes for most any car though. You can figure that on a good track and a good driver, a car will be about .2-.3 seconds quicker and 1-2mph faster than the corrected times the mags list.

If this Altima really does have headers (that's the only mod that makes a big difference) and it's a manual, I don't see how a 2nd gen TLS/CLS stands a chance, even with every bolt on. VQ Altimas with headers are typically seeing 13.5-13.8s@102mph+.
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13.3@106mph

5AT, icebox, headers, pulley, chip, j35.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 08:58 AM
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mmmm J35, i need to look into that swap.
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Originally Posted by Dave_B
Exactly. I've personnally witnessed a bonestock 5MT Altima pulling 14.3s@97mph at my track a few years back. The mags say it's a 14.6 second car. The mags also say my 03 G35 sedan 5AT is a 14.6@97mph car, but I've gotten mine to do 14.3s@98mph stock. This basically goes for most any car though. You can figure that on a good track and a good driver, a car will be about .2-.3 seconds quicker and 1-2mph faster than the corrected times the mags list.

If this Altima really does have headers (that's the only mod that makes a big difference) and it's a manual, I don't see how a 2nd gen TLS/CLS stands a chance, even with every bolt on. VQ Altimas with headers are typically seeing 13.5-13.8s@102mph+.
How good of a driver can you be driving a 5AT G35?
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Exactly. I've personnally witnessed a bonestock 5MT Altima pulling 14.3s@97mph at my track a few years back. The mags say it's a 14.6 second car. The mags also say my 03 G35 sedan 5AT is a 14.6@97mph car, but I've gotten mine to do 14.3s@98mph stock. This basically goes for most any car though. You can figure that on a good track and a good driver, a car will be about .2-.3 seconds quicker and 1-2mph faster than the corrected times the mags list.

If this Altima really does have headers (that's the only mod that makes a big difference) and it's a manual, I don't see how a 2nd gen TLS/CLS stands a chance, even with every bolt on. VQ Altimas with headers are typically seeing 13.5-13.8s@102mph+.
+1 sick how do u launch and do u ss or gate
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Originally Posted by juruki
How good of a driver can you be driving a 5AT G35?

As for 'how good a driver' one has to be in driving a 5AT G35 to post a 14.3, hard launches on VQ powered cars can be touch and go. While one does not necessarily have to be Michael Schumacher to put together a good launch, one does have to be a bit more methodical with such launches.

Just some background on me: I have driven the 2G TL-S, 2G 3.2TL, 3G TL 5AT, 7G AV6 5AT (currently own), Altima SE-R (6MT and 5AT), Infiniti I35, 06 G35S (6MT), 06 G35X, 05 G35C (5AT) and 5.5G Maxima 4AT (previously owned). As far as tricky launches go, I have not found the Js to be anywhere near as tricky to launch as the VQs.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 09:53 PM
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+1 sick how do u launch and do u ss or gate
i usually brake torque to about 1500, dump the brake, and ease into the throttle(only cause i have shitty tires otherwise ill go hard on the throttle). if im in a serious race which i think itll be a drivers race then ill gate shift just so i can hold 1st a bit longer otherwise ill leave it in ss
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 10:14 PM
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1500? I tried doing that to 1500.. felt no boost.. tires didnt burn out. i was planning to do 2000 RPM and see if it changes anything.
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Old Nov 27, 2007 | 11:58 PM
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Are you talking about your 335i or TL? Cause I have a stock 02 TL-S with 1/2 year old Yokohama AVID V4S, 140,000km, and it will still spin the tires like mad with VSA off even if I don't brake torque.
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