MobTownTL

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So this dude I see around quite often talks alot of shit about how "JDM" his teggy is and always bagging on the TL calling it a "mommy car". We've lined up before from a dig and i put about 1-2 car lengths. I think then, he had a ls/vtec motor with the ls auto tranny and coffee exhaust and i was stock.

even after that beating, now he's talking shit twice as hard talking about how he's going to swap in a JDM b18c with the type r MT tranny that comes with it and maybe headers this time with a coffee can exhaust.

i dont know much about civic/teggy motors, but i looked it up and i read it has about 197 hp from factory. me personally im not worried about it. by then i might have aem v2 and azine stage 3 exhaust. not sure how much of a boost that is, but at least its something.

question is, how would the 3G do against a teggy with a b18c swap? i think it should be a close if anything. maybe some racing gurus can help me out?

phee

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you would completely murder it

Yonkers914

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And to get in his face just tell him he need's to completey swap engines and tranny's just to keep up lol. hate when people call TL's "mommy cars" anyways u should still beat him and use your sport shift assuming that u already did.

MobTownTL

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nah, last time i just stomped on it and let the car do the work haha. this time im prolly gonna do 1-2 in D and if it gets to it, ill switch over to SS in 3rd.

but yeah he's all about jdm and he is convinced that a Type-R b18c with headers and exhaust with a 5mt/6m type-r tranny will do me in. hopefully you guys are right though... his car sounds like fucking shit and imma be pissed if i lose to a ricer honda fan boy =[

Yonkers914

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wow lol def. use the sport shift cause it will keep u out of the 4th gear "slump" longer. which will let you go faster lol. If you read the thread "IHateCars" just posted you can see how it helped him.

phee

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u will definitely win man. no need to worry

alexSU

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+1 it will be a quick death for this fool

erick3

I don't know much about the civics/teggys, but i'll share an experience with you. a while back, i took a green teggy from a roll from about 50 with me in 2nd (high). I was fully bolted on at the time, minus the rv6 power package and spacers. Anyways, this fool kept up pretty darn well...in fact, if I recall correctly...I had a difficult time pulling away! We were even for most of my powerband from 2nd to 3rd. I remember beating him by a car length in the end though. I believe it was a type r? Sounds like everyone else's confident that you'll beat him, and you probably will. Just don't talk like that fool does and let your tail lights do all the talking.

Oh and about the 3rd ss thing. There was a thing that IHC posted about a race with another stock 3g tl. SS allows you to push 500 more rpms in 3rd when you hold it in SS versus let the computer do it. It put him ahead a car length (or 2).

MobTownTL

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yeah i read IHC's thread. he said he left it in D for 1-2 gear then switched over to SS in 3rd. so i think thats what im going to do.

but yeah thanks for the info guys. this guy does more talking than walking so it might be a bit till he actually does the swap but ill post back here whenever it happens. thanks again.

Majofo

1. A CAI & Stage 3 is not significant in Performance.

2. Your friend is obviously a douche.. you beat him once, never race him again.. because a) you're both young and shouldn't be racing on the street & b) you'll always have bragging rights.

3. If he's willing to do a swap he'll eventually go turbo.. you won't have a chance.




Also, going from a dig you should leave it in SS to get as much out of 1st & 2nd as you can.

Sonnick

Honestly, if he puts a Type R motor in the Teg (B18c5) and has bolt ons plus the Type R tranny he will beat you. Idk why everyone is saying the opposite. In fact, with the Type R motor in an Integra...it IS a Type R (relatively speaking). A stock Type R would take a 5AT TL, let alone a bolt on R.

If he does in fact do it and isn't running his mouth, you will need more than a CAI to keep up.

If he swaps the B18c1 from the GSR, it will be closer, esp with the Type R trans, which has LSD. Don't sleep on it, but you should edge it out.

MobTownTL

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^^^ interesting. i think hes just gonna have headers and fartcan exhaust. but yeah that type r tranny is a huge favor for him.

Sonnick

Yea, the Type R tranny has a shorter 3rd and much shorter 4th gear as far as I know. Ask him which B18 he is putting in, that will make a big difference. The B18c1 is from the GSR putting out 170hp and the B18c5 is from the Type R putting out 195hp. I don't know if the 'JDM' models put out more power. Remember, the Integras are a good 700-800lbs lighter than the TL. The 155whp (guess) in a 2700lb shell is more like 210 in a 3400lb TL, which is around where an auto puts out.

If it's the c1 and he has only header and exhaust, you should win. If he adds intake and tune it should make for an interesting run. Good luck

d-townhakuzo

Haha this is like this kid at my school, who got a Mazada 6, and claims it is undefeated. I beated his hass hard and then he claims on putting a BMW M3 engine in it...impossible...

ineedmyfixofacura

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^lmfao!!! Yeah Mazda 6 isn't that quick at all, my RSX hangs with it no problems.

jeowen

TYPE-R with I/H/E = pretty quick- had an encounter a while back...

https://acurazine.com/forums/3g-tl-2004-2008-93/my-08-nbp-type-s-vs-integra-type-r-701984/

Aman

You shouldn't waste your time with this fool. He's just trying to bait you, don't fall for it. He can talk shit all he wants, but at the end of the day, you're driving a car that's as quick, if not quicker, than his, with the added benefit of leather heated seats, a decent sound system, and a warranty, three things he definetely doesn't have.

There are tons of people who try to challenge me to a race, and I drive a four-cylinder Accord. Even if it were boosted, I wouldn't waste my time. It's not worth it. What does it prove? One car is faster than the other. Great. Now what?

MobTownTL

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^^^ good point

haha but yeah he's putting in the JDM type-r b18c in it. apparently he got a good deal on it with the type-r tranny that comes with it. but yeah. im interested on seeing how it goes now. gonna tell him to hurry up with the swap the next time i see him lol

im thinking my car might get a bit of a jump on his cuz i should have a better torque ratio.

Aman

Depends on how he launches, he might get the jump. His car is much lighter, and judging by your avatar your wheels/tires are heavier. You'll probably catch up and pass him pretty quickly though.

How good of a driver is he?

MobTownTL

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lets just say i dont think he's ever owned a MT, but i think he's capable of driving one haha

DC3328

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hmmmm id like to know who wins

adrian_04tl

i raced my friends GSR a while back. i had an 04 6MT.

i was stock and he was fully bolted

we went from a dig and i put 2-3 cars on him but were even in 1st and 2nd.

i think hes gonna get you off the line and youre not gonna catch him.

CL-Slick

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Tell him to come run my CL if he's in the Mobile area, lol.

jeowen

[QUOTE=adrian_04tl;11832761]i raced my friends GSR a while back. i had an 04 6MT.

i was stock and he was fully bolted

we went from a dig and i put 2-3 cars on him but were even in 1st and 2nd.

[COLOR="Red"]i think hes gonna get you off the line and youre not gonna catch him.[COLOR][QUOTE]

i agree. IF its a bolt-on true R engine. Like I stated in my earlier post- they are really quick-to 40 mph he got me- once he saw how I was pulling through 60, he shut down.

race4ed

This race should be interesting. For example, the 06-08 Honda civic SI runs with the TL (04 6SP specking) and have a close run. The Type-R (B18C5) beats those civic's by car lengths, so that will be a maybe run. I also think, with that engine with boltons will beat you but i can also be wrong, because it all depends on take off. Be safe and don't kill yourselves, lmao.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAh-tVhpCJQ

is19sEcondsSlow

He is going to destroy you, just walk away and pretend you don't know him anymore!

jaMezBOI

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Depends on how good of a driver he is. Type-R engines are rev happy engines that put out 197hp all motor. Throw that engine in a civic and its a quick car. Type-R's come with cloth interior and no sunroof to reduce weight, since his teg isnt a type-r it will be abit slower than an actual one.

Ive raced a legit type R and some with swaps that have cams intake n headers. I beat the legit type-r on the highway really bad....4-5 cars and then we went from a dig and I pulled 3 cars on him with a passenger in both races. Then I raced my buddys teg from a 1st gear roll with a gsr swap with some mods and a tune and he was hanging right beside me. I maybe gained half a car on him. He dyno'd at 187whp/141wtq and I dyno'd at 225whp/194wtq. Its the power to weight ratio that kills us TL drivers. Hope this helps!

adrian_04tl

[QUOTE=jeowen;11835624][QUOTE=adrian_04tl;11832761]i raced my friends GSR a while back. i had an 04 6MT.

i was stock and he was fully bolted

we went from a dig and i put 2-3 cars on him but were even in 1st and 2nd.

[COLOR="Red"]i think hes gonna get you off the line and youre not gonna catch him.[COLOR]if the dude in the type-r launches it properly hes gonna get a nice lead. itll be hard to catch him. if hes bolted, the type-r is gnna win.

alexSU

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i like your type-s looks clean man!

03typeSti

I've beat hatches with b18c's with my 03typeS, your not gonna kill it but no doubt your gonna win. IF not fuq em your still cruisin a TL

jaMezBOI

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Thanks!

haha exactly

adrian_04tl

^

thats what the bmw you just beat says.

03typeSti

bmw's suck unless their m3 m5 or m6

adrian_04tl

hmm. i didnt know the 335i sucked. its still gonna be my next car.

Aman

The only BMWs that "suck" IMO are the 23s and 25s, just nowhere near enough power.

phee

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no it doesnt. unless the tl has some serious issues

BDoggPrelude

^^^What he said. The ITR is no slouch. Even 15 years after it was first introduced it's still widely regarded as one of the best all around performing FWD cars ever built. A regular Integra with a B18C/B18C5 swap is going to be a tad slower than a Type-R because it carries more weight since the ITR does without a sunroof and some of the sound deadening material...the earlier ITR's don't even have air-conditioning. BTW, B18C is the JDM ITR motor, B18C5 is the USDM ITR motor and the B18C1 is the USDM GS-R motor.

You have a much better chance from a dig since the B18's, (like all Honda I4's), have no low end power. They really show their power from a roll on the highway.

03typeSti

There is another video on utube with a Type R and CL-S, the CL-S wins by 2-3 cars, Type R's are quick but they are still a only a 4cly. There's no doubt you will come out ahead

03typeSti

BMW's are to expensive to fix but I would take an Alpina B7

is19sEcondsSlow

slap a B18C5 in a hatch you can say goodnight to almost any competitors, the teg weighs about 2600lbs and the B18C has 145hp to the wheel thats a recipe for speed